J Flowers Tribute Cases for sale

[DWBOD]

Maybe we could. All your expensive Justis cases have cheap Chinese interiors in them. Would you have bought them if Jack had told you that he was using the lowest priced interiors from the Long Chan factory in China?

How do you feel about that?


I feel like if I want to rub vertical lines in my cues by using brute force to pulling them up through the undersized interior, I would definitely want one of your cases. If that's your definition of protection, I agree with you. Bump for some great cases, I will not post again in this thread.

Doug

 

[JB Cases]

Maybe we could. All your expensive Justis cases have cheap Chinese interiors in them. Would you have bought them if Jack had told you that he was using the lowest priced interiors from the Long Chan factory in China?

How do you feel about that?


I feel like if I want to rub vertical lines in my cues by using brute force to pulling them up through the undersized interior, I would definitely want one of your cases. If that's your definition of protection, I agree with you. Bump for some great cases, I will not post again in this thread.

Doug

So you consider soft fabric backed by foam rubber to be able to cause lines in the finish?

I guess you never polish your cues then.

Nice try.

Want to bet that if I took the actual cloth used in the Justis case and gave you a piece of it and asked you to rub your cue with it vigorously that you wouldn't do it? Well YOU might to spite me.

But if I did the same test with most people they will NOT want to have that cloth anywhere near their cues.

But you care more about having a pretty case with exotic skin than whether it's really good for your cue or not.

Our interiors are not "undersized" Doug. They are padded.

You know what padded means don't you?

It is using foam rubber to provide a cushion against excess movement and shock.

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So let's do a little thought exercise and assume for a second that you are right and the mere act of rubbing against the cloth causes lines in the finish.

So you put your $10,000 cue into your Justis and head off to the tournament a few hour's drive away.

You're bebopping along to the Beatles and feeling good about life and in the back your cue is moving up and down and side to side sliding back and forth with every turn and bump and start and stop. When you hit particularly nasty potholes you can hear the cues clinking in the case.

It's wearing that fabric out with all the rubbing.

Now, Dan has also set out for the same tournament and has about the same drive.

He puts his cue into his J.Flowers case with the UltraPad interior and puts it in the car. He comes from the country though and has to drive an hour of bumpy roads in his SUV just to get to pavement. All the time with each bounce and bump the cue does not move in the case. It doens't slide forward, doesn't rattle side to side, doesn't clang against other cue parts.

You and Dan arrive at the tournament at the same time and as life has it you both play each other first round.

Now, ASSUMING you are right that rubbing cloth on the cue causes scratches and knowing that the fabric in your Justis is more abrasive than what is in my interiors - you would then pull your cue out and find that it has all sorts of scratches in all kinds of directions. And Dan would pull his cue out and find that it has very few straight lines from when he put it in and straight lines from when he pulled it out.

So even in our little hypothetical using your premise we still provide better protection.

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But, as it happens you are blowing smoke and your implication that our cases cause scratches is complete nonsense and obviously the act of a person desperate to preserve the "mystique" of the cases he owns so that they can continue to be sold at prices which are out of line in comparison to the lack of protection and overall quality they deliver.

Now, Doug, I will be happy to upgrade your Justis cases with a proper interior. For $75 each I will send you interiors that you can just exchange in five minutes thanks to Jack's loose fitting exterior. Jack claims that this was done intentionally so why not take advantage of it and protect your cue investment and your case investment at the same time?

If anyone wants the inferior ones you have now you can just change them back. There you go, best of both worlds.

 

[JB Cases]

Maybe we could. All your expensive Justis cases have cheap Chinese interiors in them. Would you have bought them if Jack had told you that he was using the lowest priced interiors from the Long Chan factory in China?

How do you feel about that?


I feel like if I want to rub vertical lines in my cues by using brute force to pulling them up through the undersized interior, I would definitely want one of your cases. If that's your definition of protection, I agree with you. Bump for some great cases, I will not post again in this thread.

Doug

You also dodged the question. You talk about not going to WalMart ostensibly because they sell Chinese goods but you have no problem buying expensive Justis cases which use Chinese interiors, and the cheapest possible version as well.

 

[ftgokie]

So you consider soft fabric backed by foam rubber to be able to cause lines in the finish?

I guess you never polish your cues then.

Nice try.

Want to bet that if I took the actual cloth used in the Justis case and gave you a piece of it and asked you to rub your cue with it vigorously that you wouldn't do it? Well YOU might to spite me.

But if I did the same test with most people they will NOT want to have that cloth anywhere near their cues.

But you care more about having a pretty case with exotic skin than whether it's really good for your cue or not.

Our interiors are not "undersized" Doug. They are padded.

You know what padded means don't you?

It is using foam rubber to provide a cushion against excess movement and shock.

------------------------------------------------------------------

So let's do a little thought exercise and assume for a second that you are right and the mere act of rubbing against the cloth causes lines in the finish.

So you put your $10,000 cue into your Justis and head off to the tournament a few hour's drive away.

You're bebopping along to the Beatles and feeling good about life and in the back your cue is moving up and down and side to side sliding back and forth with every turn and bump and start and stop. When you hit particularly nasty potholes you can hear the cues clinking in the case.

It's wearing that fabric out with all the rubbing.

Now, Dan has also set out for the same tournament and has about the same drive.

He puts his cue into his J.Flowers case with the UltraPad interior and puts it in the car. He comes from the country though and has to drive an hour of bumpy roads in his SUV just to get to pavement. All the time with each bounce and bump the cue does not move in the case. It doens't slide forward, doesn't rattle side to side, doesn't clang against other cue parts.

You and Dan arrive at the tournament at the same time and as life has it you both play each other first round.

Now, ASSUMING you are right that rubbing cloth on the cue causes scratches and knowing that the fabric in your Justis is more abrasive than what is in my interiors - you would then pull your cue out and find that it has all sorts of scratches in all kinds of directions. And Dan would pull his cue out and find that it has very few straight lines from when he put it in and straight lines from when he pulled it out.

So even in our little hypothetical using your premise we still provide better protection.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

But, as it happens you are blowing smoke and your implication that our cases cause scratches is complete nonsense and obviously the act of a person desperate to preserve the "mystique" of the cases he owns so that they can continue to be sold at prices which are out of line in comparison to the lack of protection and overall quality they deliver.

Now, Doug, I will be happy to upgrade your Justis cases with a proper interior. For $75 each I will send you interiors that you can just exchange in five minutes thanks to Jack's loose fitting exterior. Jack claims that this was done intentionally so why not take advantage of it and protect your cue investment and your case investment at the same time?

If anyone want the inferior ones you have now you can just change them back. There you go, best of both worlds.

Serious question here...and I have not tried it....I can get a reasonably nice liiking used 2x4 Justis with pro lite interior.....I can swap it out and put one of your interiors in it? The interior is the only reason I have not bought the used Justis from a local guy here.

 

[JB Cases]

Serious question here...and I have not tried it....I can get a reasonably nice liiking used 2x4 Justis with pro lite interior.....I can swap it out and put one of your interiors in it? The interior is the only reason I have not bought the used Justis from a local guy here.

Yes. I have decided to start making and selling new interiors for Justis cases.

In the next shipment I will send over about 10-20 interiors for the Justis cases, mostly 2x4 and some 3x6. I have to send them by slow boat otherwise they are too much in shipping.

To me it's no different than changing your tires or rims. Jack makes it easy for people to switch the interiors, I can get the exact same sized tubes from Jiasen.

The only thing is that the case will have a tag inside that says "Interior by JB Cases". So if you can live with that then you're golden.

P.S. If you want the tubes then you will need to special order that. I have a Justis 2x4 so I can see if we can make a tube interior to fit it. I am specifically offering as standard the UltraPad interiors that we make for the J.Flowers cases.

 

[JB Cases]

 

[JIMMY L]

My favorite cases over the years seem to be made by John Barton or a company he got going. I'm going to buy one of the J Flower cases down the road and I could care less were it was made.

Just because the case is made in China doesn't mean a hard working American is not making some money on it selling it to me.

Kinda like when you go shopping at Wal-Mart


IMO theses cases are the best protection you can get for your money!!

Not that it matters but I was talking about the tube style cases as my favorite. I have not tried one of the new interiors yet nor do I want to. I like the old school style tube cases.

 

[ftgokie]

Yes. I have decided to start making and selling new interiors for Justis cases.

In the next shipment I will send over about 10-20 interiors for the Justis cases, mostly 2x4 and some 3x6. I have to send them by slow boat otherwise they are too much in shipping.

To me it's no different than changing your tires or rims. Jack makes it easy for people to switch the interiors, I can get the exact same sized tubes from Jiasen.

The only thing is that the case will have a tag inside that says "Interior by JB Cases". So if you can live with that then you're golden.

Sounds good to me..I will see if the guy still has that case, he wanted 350.00 for it and it looks to be about 75-80% condition, only reason I didnt buy it was of the interior, but if he still has it I will buy it and contact you about your interior..

 

[JB Cases]

Maybe we could. All your expensive Justis cases have cheap Chinese interiors in them. Would you have bought them if Jack had told you that he was using the lowest priced interiors from the Long Chan factory in China?

How do you feel about that?


I feel like if I want to rub vertical lines in my cues by using brute force to pulling them up through the undersized interior, I would definitely want one of your cases. If that's your definition of protection, I agree with you. Bump for some great cases, I will not post again in this thread.

Doug

You know something, I think you need to get your eyes checked.

Here is a video that I made regarding one of our interiors - not exactly "brute force".

How to use a Sterling Wave 2x5/3x4

You are a liar Doug.

This statement is a complete LIE about our cases.

"if I want to rub vertical lines in my cues by using brute force to pulling them up through the undersized interior,"

I think you should retract it and apologize for saying this.

You own a GTF case which also has the same interior. You had no complaint about the interior after you bought it and inspected it.

Here is a video explaining how to load the GTF case,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidssCWTrik

If you have any proof of my cases causing scratches then post it. If not then retract your defamatory statements and admit that you are posting them out of pettiness.

 

[Jack Justis]

Yes. I have decided to start making and selling new interiors for Justis cases.

In the next shipment I will send over about 10-20 interiors for the Justis cases, mostly 2x4 and some 3x6. I have to send them by slow boat otherwise they are too much in shipping.

To me it's no different than changing your tires or rims. Jack makes it easy for people to switch the interiors, I can get the exact same sized tubes from Jiasen.

The only thing is that the case will have a tag inside that says "Interior by JB Cases". So if you can live with that then you're golden.

P.S. If you want the tubes then you will need to special order that. I have a Justis 2x4 so I can see if we can make a tube interior to fit it. I am specifically offering as standard the UltraPad interiors that we make for the J.Flowers cases.

Yes, John, and doing so voids our very generous lifetime warranty that comes with every Justis case. I don't think any of our more knowledgeable customers would want to take a chance of losing this and damaging the finish on their cues from excess friction caused by your undersized interiors.

 

[AnthonyLewis208]

Play nice...

Gentlemen, isn't there enough pie to go around? Probably shouldn't say anything but it seems like enough people love both of your cases that no one will go hungry....just a thought

Viva Jack and John :grin:

 

[Jack Justis]

Gentlemen, isn't there enough pie to go around? Probably shouldn't say anything but it seems like enough people love both of your cases that no one will go hungry....just a thought

Viva Jack and John :grin:

Of course there is.

John just likes to use the "old used car salesman" technique of touting his cars are are the best out there even though most are clunkers.:grin:

 

[D_Lewis]

I'll say this and end it for me.
I did not say they weren't built good I just think in America we should support our economy not the chinese economy. That is it. I have seen great knives from china but still not American made. China owns enough of us, Buy American that is the way I am. Some things you can't buy made here anymore and that is terrible we used to be the production capitol of the world. We gave up that and still are giving up more.
I knew I would offend people but that is the way I see it, I know others feel the same way and just don't want to voice it.
Have a good day.
Percy

Do I have to support the american economy being from Canada?

 

[Danktrees]

Of course there is.

John just likes to use the "old used car salesman" technique of touting his cars are are the best out there even though most are clunkers.:grin:

thats not what the owners of the cars are saying...

 

[Pool Player 101]

Maybe we could. All your expensive Justis cases have cheap Chinese interiors in them. Would you have bought them if Jack had told you that he was using the lowest priced interiors from the Long Chan factory in China?

How do you feel about that?


Let me refresh your memory here:

Yours: (this is YOUR picture of one of your Justis cases)

Mine: (this is a picture of the interior of these PRODUCTION J.Flowers Tribute cases)

And let's add one more for fun: Do this with your Justis.

So let's do the math.

J.Flowers Tribute Case - $375 with built in UltraPad protection.

Doug's Justis Cases with $3 imported interior - $800 - $3500 (the same one available on a $30 case from J&J among others.)

Look on Doug's face when he accidentally trips while on the way to the pool room and his ten thousand in cues splatters all over the pavement because Jack didn't think it necessary to put a little extra padding where it counts:

Priceless

Ya John .... I'm the one who hi-jacked this thread !!! LOL

 

[JB Cases]

Yes, John, and doing so voids our very generous lifetime warranty that comes with every Justis case. I don't think any of our more knowledgeable customers would want to take a chance of losing this and damaging the finish on their cues from excess friction caused by your undersized interiors.

Ok. Well I guess this is your line in the sand.

Is this your new tactic? To claim that a piece of foam rubber with a piece of soft cloth over it can scratch the finish?

Really?

Well if that's how you want to play it then we can just do our comparisons live and let the consumers decide.

How would changing THE INTERIOR void your warranty?

You said yourself that you DELIBERATELY make the cases so that the customer can change their interior in five minutes. Do I need to go back and find your quotes on that subject?

So why do you now want to restrict your customers from choosing whatever interior that they want to use?

Since the replacement interiors will be the EXACT same size and they will go into your cases in exactly the same way as what you use now how would it affect the rest of the case AT ALL?

Let's say that something went wrong with a pocket or a zipper on the EXTERIOR of your case. How does the INTERIOR affect that? Why would you refuse to fix something you did wrong because the customer chose to replace a part that you didn't even build yourself?

Seems awfully petty to me to restrict your customers options when you gave it to them in the first place with your decision to make your cases fit loosely.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

John does more than make Flower Tributes, he does Full Custom stuff also. If you brain can think it up John does it....

 

[JB Cases]

Gentlemen, isn't there enough pie to go around? Probably shouldn't say anything but it seems like enough people love both of your cases that no one will go hungry....just a thought

Viva Jack and John :grin:

It's not a question of competition for business. I do have what is called the abundance mentality.

That's why I have no problem to recommend other case makers on my website.

This is a list of case makers that I list ON MY FRONT PAGE with links to their websites.

Nittany Leather Custom Cue Cases
Whitten Custom Cue Cases
Jim Murnak Custom Cue Cases
Instroke Leather Cue Cases
On Q Custom Cue Cases
Ron Thomas Cue Cases
Dennis Swift Custom Cue Cases
Jack Justis Custom Cue Cases
Adamant Leather
Erofey Evladin
Chas Clements

I have no problem to send someone to my colleagues. This thing with Jack is a direct result of him trying to discredit me personally through falsehoods.

And now he has decided to up the ante by spreading another falsehood by saying that my cases scratch cues. So in that vein now I have to defend our products against such defamatory falsehoods.

Well anyway, it's not me that has the problem. I just build very protective cases designed to protect cues as they should be protected.

 

[JB Cases]

Ya John .... I'm the one who hi-jacked this thread !!! LOL

You sort of did. I mean you have been here long enough to know all about the J.Flowers cases. I am sure you have read my website. You participated in several threads about them.

So there was no need for your question about where they are made. Nor your follow up statement about supporting the Chinese economy.

Neither of those statements have anything to do with a for sale thread.

I am sure that if you try to sell something you don't me making political statements or otherwise irrelevant comments in that thread.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Wonder if the Cure for Cancer was discovered in CHINA, and Approved for Sale in the USA, by the FDA, if these American's would buy the CURE??????