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I dont think she was "shooting arrows" at Cory......
Jam
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I dont think she was "shooting arrows" at Cory......
Jenny it was a pleasure to meet you at Golden Cue for the Joss tour event up there.Your a wonderful lady and i can tell your all heart which can be a double edge sword.I can see where your coming from about pool players getting the shaft,its ashame because this game is great and so very tough with alot of different variables.Well if yor up at Glen Falls with Keith perhaps i will see you there this weekend,if your not im sure i will see you around the tourneys.Oh and thanks again for the autographed pic of Keith,too bad i lost it when my car was totaled.Take care Jenny and keep your chin up,your life is ending one minute at a time ya know so live it and love it. 
macguy said:
Your opinions are tainted, so much to the point, that you called me a "groupie" because I am the girlfriend of Keith McCready, a player you have ridiculed on this forum on numerous occasions. One can do a search and make their own decision about how negative on the sport a poster may possibly be.
Though you do not know me, you thought it prudent to label me, a 52-year-old woman, a derogatory name on a forum in which I used to post quite frequently. It was demeaning, intentionally mean-spirited, and quite typical of the posts I have read from you in any thread I have participated in.
There are may subcultures within the culture of pool as a whole. Professional pool is one of them. It is difficult to understand this subculture in today's world because it is constantly changing. Somebody in the BCA thought it a good idea to make the UPA the governing body of men's professional pool. The BCA granted this authority to an entity which had absolutely no track record. Look at the UPA today. UPA members are being granted spots in overseas tournaments for competing in, what, one, two or three UPA events? Doesn't seem quite right, IMHO.
The women's governing body of professional pool is the best thing going for pool today. It has an established track record and seems to be organized. The WPBA engine is running strong today, enjoying a good following, because everything is above board, out in the open. There is transparency within the WPBA.
There are some players who not only had a great deal of passion for pool when they started out in life, but they realized that they had a God-given talent to play at a high level. Because of the expenses involved in following the American pool tournament trail, some of these players continued along their merry way and went a different route. They were action players and traveled cross country on a frequent basis. Of course, several decades ago, the action was prevalent.
In the culture of pool as a whole, as stated above, the professional player is a small minority. As we all know, the majority of players, at least in these United States, are social shooters or bar bangers. They do look at pool as a "game" and not as a sport, and they have a good time playing pool, win or lose. It is a recreational activity for them; a game, if you will. They do not play pool for a living.
The tournament soldier of today is in dire straits. Not only must they be able to travel the world, come up with the funds to do so if they are not sponsored, but they must be willing to live a lifestyle as a globe trotter. It is a rich man's high, one which is not suitable for everybody. Thus, this is the main reason why some CHAMPION-level players leave pool and seek employment, and for the others, their true happiness is playing pool.
Should the CHAMPION-level players who chose to play pool be condemned because of their choice in life, forgotten when they get old, ridiculed because they are not rich? There was a time when pool enthusiasts and fans welcomed these same players wherever they went. America has turned its back on pool, and maybe, just maybe, it is this negativity, as expressed by some on this forum, that pool has remained in the mud.
JMHO, FWIW.
JAM
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macguy said:
Even if "the failure of the IPT" might not have a huge effect on the pool world I can't possibly see how the sport can thrive without a well-run professional circuit. Yes people will still go out and play pool as a social activity but without something to aim for then people will be far less inclined to practice in my opinion. Yes it's fun to just beat all your friends and play for the "love of the game" but what encouragement is there for you to put in all the extra effort to take your game to the next level if you know you can't possibly make a living out of it. It costs a lot to practice in one way or another!
JAM has really helped me out on several occasions and I wish her nothing but the best. Much appreciated!!
Thanks,
Chris (Chrstc).
JAM said:
It is probably much too late but I am very sorry I ever used the word groupie. I won't pretend is wasn't meant to be hurtful when I said it but I am sincerely sorry for saying it. By the way, I am leaving town in the morning for a few weeks so you will be rid of me for a while.
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Bottom line, just like in affairs of the heart, if you don't love yourself, then how in the world do you expect anyone else to love you?! Pool's toughest critics come from within its own culture.
In the words of the late Freddy Fender, has it been wasted days and wasted nights for those exceptionally talented players who dared to follow their dreams?
In recent times, pool was placed on the most magnificant platform it had ever been on. Yet, here in America, what kind of reception did it get? Not one mention on national media here about a million-dollar-plus event. It's sickening.
Tournaments overseas, investors overseas, and welcoming venues overseas, to include the media, is where pool will thrive and have a chance to become a viable sport.
When the great players of yesteryear aren't even given a shred of propers in their twilight years, to include even getting kicked by their own peer(s), I tend to not like what I see on the horizon as it pertains to pool in these United States. My hat is off to all of the globe-trotting tournament players of today. God bless them, and may their spirits soar. I hope they are someday rewarded for their dedication to what some consider as a sport.
JAM
In the words of the late Freddy Fender, has it been wasted days and wasted nights for those exceptionally talented players who dared to follow their dreams?
In recent times, pool was placed on the most magnificant platform it had ever been on. Yet, here in America, what kind of reception did it get? Not one mention on national media here about a million-dollar-plus event. It's sickening.
Tournaments overseas, investors overseas, and welcoming venues overseas, to include the media, is where pool will thrive and have a chance to become a viable sport.
When the great players of yesteryear aren't even given a shred of propers in their twilight years, to include even getting kicked by their own peer(s), I tend to not like what I see on the horizon as it pertains to pool in these United States. My hat is off to all of the globe-trotting tournament players of today. God bless them, and may their spirits soar. I hope they are someday rewarded for their dedication to what some consider as a sport.
JAM
Purdman
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Macguy has a habbit of putting his foot in his mouth all the time. I would have thought he had learned his lesson by now. He is one of the most negative opinionated people I have met here. He is insinsitive and rude most of the time. Proven wrong many times, he refuses to learn. I do not understand why you would let a classless guy like him force you to leave your friends. You have to examine his intentions whenever he says something. There in lies his problem. Someone must have been awfully mean to him when he was a baby or kid. I feel sorry for someone who goes thru life feeling that. He is missing the most important lessons in life. Keep love alive gal, please don't leave us for good. Say hi to the Keither for me.
Purdman
Purdman
JAM said:
Jennie....you do not need to defend yourself or Keith to anybody anywhere. I know both you and keith and believe me when i say that some people just have no clue.................mike
I think Jam is a phenomenal person and a very, very sweet person. However, Macguy just tells it like he sees it. He is a very honest person that just gives his opinion, whether anyone likes it or not. He definitely can come off as very gruff, but most of the time he brings up some very valid points.Purdman said:Macguy has a habbit of putting his foot in his mouth all the time. I would have thought he had learned his lesson by now. He is one of the most negative opinionated people I have met here. He is insinsitive and rude most of the time. Proven wrong many times, he refuses to learn. I do not understand why you would let a classless guy like him force you to leave your friends. You have to examine his intentions whenever he says something. There in lies his problem. Someone must have been awfully mean to him when he was a baby or kid. I feel sorry for someone who goes thru life feeling that. He is missing the most important lessons in life. Keep love alive gal, please don't leave us for good. Say hi to the Keither for me.
Purdman
I don't always agree with Macguy, but I do appreciate his right to state his opinion.
Macguy is definitely not a "troll" of which he has been accused.
Anyway, JMO.
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Purdman
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JDB said:
I didn't say he didn't have a right to express his opinion. He doesn't need to do it in an insensitive and offensive way. I have been that way many times before. I try to improve myself when I can. I do not defend or denie when I am wrong much less when someone else is wrong. Like I said, examine his intentions and you will discover his real motives. He enjoys being mean spirited. That gets him in trouble and hurts other peoples feelings. He likes to rock the boat in his mean little way. NOW, that is my opinion and like you I am entitled to it. I would just like to see him be more considerate of others opinions.
Purdman
Scottster said:
That is the really funny, or should I say sad, part of JAM's accusations, there just are so many, many players on the tour that can fit the bill no one can really positively identify the ONE player she is referring to.
I suggest if she wants to complain about how low life the players are, not Keith of course, she should start naming names or else refrain from posting such comments.
It must have been Tommy Kennedy. He really knows how to rack them balls so nothing drops, just ask David Grossman.
Jake
I understand what you are saying. Very well written and eloquently stated. Thanks.Purdman said:I didn't say he didn't have a right to express his opinion. He doesn't need to do it in an insensitive and offensive way. I have been that way many times before. I try to improve myself when I can. I do not defend or denie when I am wrong much less when someone else is wrong. Like I said, examine his intentions and you will discover his real motives. He enjoys being mean spirited. That gets him in trouble and hurts other peoples feelings. He likes to rock the boat in his mean little way. NOW, that is my opinion and like you I am entitled to it. I would just like to see him be more considerate of others opinions.
Purdman
jjinfla said:
Jake....how in hell can you say that about Tommy Kennedy. Tommy Kennedy is 1 of the most honest if not "THE" most honest Pro player out there. I would trust Tommy with my life. praise the Lord and break the balls.........mike
Scottster said:
LOL. "Shooting arrows." Oh, the irony of it all!
I was not referring to Corey Deuel. Corey practices and strategizes about the BREAK and how to apply it to the particular playing conditions like the cloth, the table brand, table size, cue-ball and ball type, and the rack, whether it be plastic, wooden, or Sardo. Corey, to his credit, does exert quite a bit of effort into perfecting his break, much like Earl Strickland used to do when he was the break master on equipment of Earl's era. Even today, I have overheard Earl many times as he is exiting a venue comment about his match as to how well he is breaking. It doesn't seem to be how well he is shooting, but only how well he is breaking. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to come up with the perfect break.
There are some players, though, sad to say, who practice and strategize on how to rack the balls with gaps in them, so that if they break from a certain position on the table utilizing a particular English, the combination of cue-ball positioning behind the line, in the box or outside the box, and English applied will complement a rack with intentionally placed gaps. This is popular with some players in a winner-rack-your-own format. Without mentioning names, I have actually overheard conversations or whispers, if you will, between players on how to rig the racks.
The game of 9-ball, in particular, seems to invite rigging the rack. Every player's goal when they break is to run out. I am definitely not stating as a fact that all pool players do it. In fact, there are some players who always attempt to provide a good rack for themselves as well as their opponent. Ralf Souquet's name comes to mind.
A fair rack is imperative in order for it to be a FAIR game of 9-ball. Bowlers don't rack their own pins when they bowl, and because of the rack-riggers, I don't think pool players should be racking their own balls, especially in high-profile competitive events. I do realize that it would be too expensive to have a neutral racker in today's climate where pool is on the bottom rung of the sports ladder, but it sure would remove the cheating factor, i.e., rack rigging by the rack-riggers.
So, to Corey's credit, I applaud him for taking the route to constantly perfect his break. Shannon Daulton is another player who constantly practices his break when he's getting in stroke for a tournament. I have seen him rack and break, rack and break, and rack and break endlessly before a match, hoping to fine-tune his break for whatever equipment he is playing on. Believe me when I say the players do know who the rack-riggers are. It is, IMHO, the real dirty little secret of pool, at least as it pertains to 9-ball.
Some players, like Mike Zuglan of New York, for example, actually put on their reading glasses when they are racking the balls, hoping to get a fair rack. There is one school of thought that that a player should be able to recognize a rigged rack, and if they don't recognize it or do anything about it, like ask for a re-rack, then the rigged rack is an acceptable form of racking. I actually heard a tournament director make this statement.
Again, just to recap and to hopefully avoid any prospective controversy about my above-referenced opinion, not all players rig the racks, but the ones who do rig 'em will always excel in a winner-rack-your-own event. Some of the most intense matches I have ever witnessed are when two rack-riggers face each other on a field of green. There is more time spent on racking the balls than there is time spent on playing the match itself. Anger erupts, along with the ugly back-and-forths. Sometimes a ref will be called to rack the balls, but it's usually only after both players come to stalemate about the rack.
JMHO, FWIW!
JAM
Fast Lenny said:...Oh and thanks again for the autographed pic of Keith,too bad i lost it when my car was totaled.Take care Jenny and keep your chin up,your life is ending one minute at a time ya know so live it and love it.
So sorry to hear about your car, Fast Lenny. That is a real bummer!
Next time I see you on the Joss tournament trail, I will be sure to give you another picture of Keith. I just recently purchased an HP printer which is supposed to be able to print photos. I haven't used it yet to print pictures, but when time allows, I am going to delve into the manual and figure out how to use it.
Take care, Fast Lenny!
JAM
jjinfla said:
"Low life" are not words that I would use.
As it pertains to Keith, I can assure you that he doesn't rig racks. Those who do know Keith's game are well aware that his primary problem on a field of green in 9-ball is most definitely his break.
As far as naming names, I think the players who do cheat are doing a disservice to their own integrity and in time will contribute to their own demise in the long run.
Nobody likes to lose, and I think the players of today do everything within their power to win, but rigging racks should be forbidden, IMHO. Yet, it continues to exist, and most folks seem to turn a blind eye to it.
jjinfla said:
Tommy Kennedy plays an honest game, always has and always will, but I think you already know that.
JAM
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First and foremost ....
I would say there hasn't been a pool player that ever lived that has ALWAYS
been completely fair in their playing - EVER. They learn the rules, they play by the rules (most do, some don't), and they learn how to control things within the rules if they can. They have to, to survive for whatever reason.
It starts when a player is running 2-5 packs on you, and you say to yourself, I am going to lose my a** unless I can stop him in some way, so you go about learning how to stop that situation.
Or an opponent is racking you to stop you, so you learn how to read racks and know other breaking techniques to defeat his racking methods.
It is all about offensive - defensive strategy for any situation that pops up. I am not condoning it necessarily, I am just saying it exists, and that to survive within the Pool world (and to win), you have to be educated about it.
It is the bittersweet part of Pool, just as sharking is.
More than anything, IT IS THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, and pretending it doesn't exist will not make it go away.
I would say there hasn't been a pool player that ever lived that has ALWAYS
been completely fair in their playing - EVER. They learn the rules, they play by the rules (most do, some don't), and they learn how to control things within the rules if they can. They have to, to survive for whatever reason.
It starts when a player is running 2-5 packs on you, and you say to yourself, I am going to lose my a** unless I can stop him in some way, so you go about learning how to stop that situation.
Or an opponent is racking you to stop you, so you learn how to read racks and know other breaking techniques to defeat his racking methods.
It is all about offensive - defensive strategy for any situation that pops up. I am not condoning it necessarily, I am just saying it exists, and that to survive within the Pool world (and to win), you have to be educated about it.
It is the bittersweet part of Pool, just as sharking is.
More than anything, IT IS THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, and pretending it doesn't exist will not make it go away.