jamie bowman vs shawn putman

jimmy-leggs said:
jamie bowman won the 2001 singles open b.c.a. in vegas and jesse won the 2002 masters singles b.c.a. in vegas.
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2002 masters Jesse Bowman, Moline, IL
2001 open Jamey Bowman, Moline, IL
1998 champion Jesse Bowman, East Moline, IL (18 and under 9ball junior champ)
1997 champion Jesse Bowman, Moline, IL (14 and under 9ball junior champ)
1995 2nd place Jesse Bowman (14 and under 9ball junior champ)
1992 2nd place Jesse Bowman (14 and under 9ball junior champ)

He was under 14 in 1997? He is still a young pup, with a ton of game. No doubt he will be the topic of future boards here for some time to come.
 
I saw Jessie put the wood to Tony Piazza in the VNEA 8-ball finals last year and the guy looked like a true monster on the bar box. Very poised and confident. His brother Jamie plays very strong too. Jessie vs. Orcollo, I'd like to see that, especially since Dennis is a "pro". Maybe Jessie could get a few games on the wire. If they ever match up I'd travel to sweat it.
 
ketchupjerry said:
I saw Matlock in Byram, MS. a few years back. Mississippi 9-Ball open. He was playing Reed Pierce, down 7-0 in a race to 9. Reed broke, came up dry, never got back up. David put a 9 pack on him! Stellar play, by far the best I've ever seen on the bar box.
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David Matlock was the king of the barboxes for many years. And he still isn't too shabby.
 
jay helfert said:
I like Jesse's game, but when that little Dennis from the Philipines started playing Eight Ball on the Diamond tables, everyone took a step back, Jesse included. I'd take Dennis in a heartbeat over Jesse or anyone else playing 8-Ball (or Ten Ball) on a Diamond barbox.

Ask anyone who went to the two big bar table tournaments out West last year. Dennis won both 8-Ball events over stellar fields. He did a little gambling, then everyone just steered clear of him.

Once again I will put my money where my mouth is. ANY player who wants to play Dennis 8-Ball (or Ten Ball) even on a bar table has got a game. You pick the bet, minimum $1,000.

In all likelihood, the next two or three best bar table players are also filipino. Sorry, but it's true.
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Come to think of it, I've live my entire life in the Philippines before I moved
here in the US 3 and a half years ago. I've never seen a barbox table there
in any pool hall I've been!
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jay helfert said:
David Matlock was the king of the barboxes for many years. And he still isn't too shabby.
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What's interesting about Davids big ball game is he plays it completely different than any player I've ever seen. Its Efren like because the patterns he sees and plays are from a different perspective than anyone else.
Now the Kiether in his prime, Costa Mesa days was a sight to behold too. And Medina in his prime on a bar table, allot of the newer players don't know this but Danny first learned on a bar table and only started playing on the big tables half way through his career. Dino was a monster back in the day.
Gotta ask you Jay, did you ever see Kieth and Medina play back in the 70's on a bar box?
 
As far as the corey-jesse matchup goes; '06 dcc corey woofed, jesse bit, corey then wanted the 8... no game. This is what my roommate saw and heard.

There are 2 jamies(y) that I know of out of the moline area.. Jamey Bowman and Jamie(james) Barracks(wilson). Chad V usually travels with Jamie Barracks and they both play preatty sporty. Both have a very controlled disciplined game and wont quit even when down a few games. The Bowmans seem play looser and smoother but can make balls from nowhere especially Jesse. However, Chad has come to our weekly open 9ball tourney several times and cant seem to quit whining about something, cloth, lighting, table spacing, heat, cold, balls, always something wrong. He also doesnt get very far and ends up goin home early. Just my 2 on the subjects.
 
Jamey looks at AZ every once in a while, and I think he told me he posts sometimes. He can definitely play.

He won a McDermott tour stop a couple months ago.
 
the bowmans

I met Jesse and Jamie in 2000 and after watching Jesse gamble there is no one that is a lock to beat him at any size race.I'm not saying he will beat everyone but he is a sight.When I went to a tournament in Peoria they were putting the gun on some of the breaks and I thought my breaks pretty strong. I never broke 30 and I was dropping 2-3 balls so Jesse gets up and first three breaks all 34 and he was squatting the cue ball.I am a fan of both brothers because every time I was in a tournament with them they made it interesting.Some people sit there like they're in a trance and the game is life and death not these two while they're roasting someone in the tournament they'll be hawking on two other guys to gamble when the match is over.
 
j_kronz79 said:
nicely done Dj, trying to get me to go off joker. i appreciate the positive comments about my game on here though. i am attempting a mini comeback goin fairly well so far
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j_kronz79 = jamey bowman.

Jamey, hopefully you and a few of the other iowa/moline champions will come down to Cahokia 'The Break' tournament in March. Your brother did pretty good there last time.
 
I've seen Shawn play on a bar box a good bit, he is very strong there espically in 9-bal
 
Island Drive said:
What's interesting about Davids big ball game is he plays it completely different than any player I've ever seen. Its Efren like because the patterns he sees and plays are from a different perspective than anyone else.
Now the Kiether in his prime, Costa Mesa days was a sight to behold too. And Medina in his prime on a bar table, allot of the newer players don't know this but Danny first learned on a bar table and only started playing on the big tables half way through his career. Dino was a monster back in the day.
Gotta ask you Jay, did you ever see Kieth and Medina play back in the 70's on a bar box?
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No I didn't. They definitely were at some of the same big table tournaments together in the 80's. Whether they ever hooked up on the bar tables I'm not sure. If they did, it almost had to be because Keith found Danny somewhere, because I didn't see Danny out West until the Disneyland tournament in 1986.

I talk to Danny all the time so I'll ask him, and maybe Keith can shed some light on this match up. I would put Danny in my top five bar table players, along with Keith, David Matlock, Buddy and Junior Weldon. Of course there were many great bar table players, and these five are not the only good ones by any means.

Any one of 20 or 30 players could and did string multiple racks. Jimmy Reid is the first one that comes to mind.
 
Any pro player is a strong barbox 9ball player. The real question IMHO is barbox 8ball. This may sound cliche, but about a year ago a guy came into the poolhall when nobody was there, and I played him some 5 a game 8ball barbox. I guess he took a liking to me and showed some of his speed. This guy has a game that impressed me more than anyone I saw at the BCA in Vegas. I tried to tell him to go play in that, or go on the road or something, and all he said was that he supports a family and can't go far. Let me tell you, he is an unknown, but against any barbox champion, I would be afraid to bet against him! There are tons of unknowns out there who play just as good as Jesse or anyone, and it's not just because of their break!

And David Matlock is still playing strong, he should play Jesse some.
 
gopi-1 said:
Come to think of it, I've live my entire life in the Philippines before I moved
here in the US 3 and a half years ago. I've never seen a barbox table there
in any pool hall I've been!
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I've been there three times, and although most every hotel and bar has a table, they are all 9'. Someone someday will introduce 7' tables over there and make a fortune.

Be that as it may, I still say Dennis Orcullo (this is the correct spelling), on a Diamond 7' is the man I want to bet on. He handles those little boxes like he had been playing on them all his life. Especially at Eight Ball, where he had to weave the cue ball thru tight openings and break up clusters.

He absolutely dominated the two bar table Eight Ball tourneys he played in, both with super strong fields.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
Any pro player is a strong barbox 9ball player. The real question IMHO is barbox 8ball. This may sound cliche, but about a year ago a guy came into the poolhall when nobody was there, and I played him some 5 a game 8ball barbox. I guess he took a liking to me and showed some of his speed. This guy has a game that impressed me more than anyone I saw at the BCA in Vegas. I tried to tell him to go play in that, or go on the road or something, and all he said was that he supports a family and can't go far. Let me tell you, he is an unknown, but against any barbox champion, I would be afraid to bet against him! There are tons of unknowns out there who play just as good as Jesse or anyone, and it's not just because of their break!

And David Matlock is still playing strong, he should play Jesse some.
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I agree with you about very strong bar table players being all over the place. Usually with guys like this, when they do meet a really top player like a Jesse Bowman, they will begin to wilt. They are not used to someone
firing back at them game after game. They are used to dominating the play.

Almost every strong player I ever saw who was not willing to go looking for action was lacking in confidence. Your player may be the exception, but I doubt it. If he really played that good, he would be looking for a big money game to help his family out. I suspect he sticks close to his comfort zone, whatever that may be.

There are a whole lot of guys who won't miss a ball for five or ten dollars, but when the rent money is on the line, they get a lump in their throat.
 
jimmy-leggs said:
kevin cardinal has some good barbox game too.
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Yes, Kevin was at many of the big bar table the last few years and did quite well (and gambled good too). But in Reno last year, Dennis was clearly the king of the walk. After a couple of days, EVERYONE steered clear of him!

And he was ready to play ANYONE for any amount. No one there was barred. And yes, Jesse B. was there as well as just about every other top bar table player. I don't think anything has changed either. I know if I see him make a game on a Diamond bar table, I'm betting on him, and I don't care if he's playing Godzilla.

I'd love to bring him to the BCA Nationals and take on all comers (including the Mexican bandidos) in some Eight Ball side action. In fact, I may do just that.
 
jay helfert said:
Yes, Kevin was at many of the big bar table the last few years and did quite well (and gambled good too). But in Reno last year, Dennis was clearly the king of the walk. After a couple of days, EVERYONE steered clear of him!

And he was ready to play ANYONE for any amount. No one there was barred. And yes, Jesse B. was there as well as just about every other top bar table player. I don't think anything has changed either. I know if I see him make a game on a Diamond bar table, I'm betting on him, and I don't care if he's playing Godzilla.

I'd love to bring him to the BCA Nationals and take on all comers (including the Mexican bandidos) in some Eight Ball side action. In fact, I may do just that.
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Here is an idea for you Jay. I have been sitting on this one for years and you might be the guy who can make it happen and make it profitable due to your gamblng experience and your line on players.

Have a table at Vegas set up just for you and your player to take on all comers in single games. You set up an odds board and let people bet according to the odds.

The swing looks hypothetically like this: If Dennis gets the break and ball in hand after the break then you give up 10:1, if the other player gets the break and ball in hand then they give up 10:1 and create a chart with everything in between. You know Dennis isn't going to dump you to anyone. Keep the bets small, like $10 maximum and I will predict that you will have them lined up for days trying to beat Dennis.

If you go for straight up action then no one will play without monster spots. Which is unfortunate. I'd like to know who really does rule the barbox. I guess in the modern era we won't see the legendary 3 battles of the past for barbox 9 or 8 ball with all these players unwilling to match up evenly.

I like Jesse but I thought he had a standing invitation to play ANYONE barbox 9-ball for at least a thousand a set.
 
John Barton "I like Jesse but I thought he had a standing invitation to play ANYONE barbox 9-ball for at least a thousand a set."
As far as i know he still does but Im preatty sure its only in moline at his dads pool hall.
 
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