JAM's Buzz Buster

JAM

JAM

I am the storm
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Ever since the IPT announcement of the players list AND the players invited to the King of the Hill Shootout, the forums have been on fire. There has been a great deal of controversy about the player selection, and along came a slew of posts about which players should be included, which players were omitted, which players don't belong in the IPT, and which players are worthy of membership.

Of course, the players who did submit an application and did not get selected are disappointed. Speculation has ensued about whether some players even bothered to submit an application.

Previous to today, I have participated in a few threads relating to the IPT. At one point, the flame got so hot that I thought maybe I should recuse myself from even posting on an IPT-related thread, for personal reasons which may be obvious to some.

When reading the disparaging comments about Kevin Trudeau and/or Mike Sigel, I cringe, but realize that everyone is entitled to an opinion, just like me. It is truly enlightening to read the views coming from the diversity of pool folk right here within this forum. What a motley crew we are, but that's the way I like it! :p

For the life of me, I just do not understand WHY there is so much skepticism and negativity projected towards the IPT and its counterparts when the reality is that they are creating a platform for pool players of all caliber and from all walks of the earth to shine AND actually receive monies that will ultimately change their lives for the better.

In return, the IPT has not requested one thing from the pool players. They withdrew the $899 membership fee, and the only thing required is for the players to come to Orlando and play pool.

I am very happy and totally impressed that the IPT has given the Hall of Famers and American veteran players a chance to be recognized for their lifetime dedication to the game/sport. I do not know who made the selections, but whatever or whoever did so deserves a hell of a lot better than the current naysayers condemning this tour before it gets off the ground and criticizing their every move.

So I end my Buzz Buster thread by saying THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Kevin Trudeau, for making the IPT a reality. This tour could change the lives of pool players who have been struggling their entire lives to keep afloat. I am saddened when I see world-class champions, Hall of Famers, and others continue to give it their all, but never seem to get ahead. The IPT gives pool players, old and young, HOPE for a future.

If the tour is a success, just imagine what this will do for the game/sport. In the alternative, if the tour falls down, the pool players will not be in any worse shape than they are today. I welcome the IPT and look forward to Orlando.

In sum, why not give the IPT just one chance to thrive before you put the nails in the coffin.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
JAM said:
Ever since the IPT announcement of the players list AND the players invited to the King of the Hill Shootout, the forums have been on fire. There has been a great deal of controversy about the player selection, and along came a slew of posts about which players should be included, which players were omitted, which players don't belong in the IPT, and which players are worthy of membership.

Of course, the players who did submit an application and did not get selected are disappointed. Speculation has ensued about whether some players even bothered to submit an application.

Previous to today, I have participated in a few threads relating to the IPT. At one point, the flame got so hot that I thought maybe I should recuse myself from even posting on an IPT-related thread, for personal reasons which may be obvious to some.

When reading the disparaging comments about Kevin Trudeau and/or Mike Sigel, I cringe, but realize that everyone is entitled to an opinion, just like me. It is truly enlightening to read the views coming from the diversity of pool folk right here within this forum. What a motley crew we are, but that's the way I like it! :p

For the life of me, I just do not understand WHY there is so much skepticism and negativity projected towards the IPT and its counterparts when the reality is that they are creating a platform for pool players of all caliber and from all walks of the earth to shine AND actually receive monies that will ultimately change their lives for the better.

In return, the IPT has not requested one thing from the pool players. They withdrew the $899 membership fee, and the only thing required is for the players to come to Orlando and play pool.

I am very happy and totally impressed that the IPT has given the Hall of Famers and American veteran players a chance to be recognized for their lifetime dedication to the game/sport. I do not know who made the selections, but whatever or whoever did so deserves a hell of a lot better than the current naysayers condemning this tour before it gets off the ground and criticizing their every move.

So I end my Buzz Buster thread by saying THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Kevin Trudeau, for making the IPT a reality. This tour could change the lives of pool players who have been struggling their entire lives to keep afloat. I am saddened when I see world-class champions, Hall of Famers, and others continue to give it their all, but never seem to get ahead. The IPT gives pool players, old and young, HOPE for a future.

If the tour is a success, just imagine what this will do for the game/sport. In the alternative, if the tour falls down, the pool players will not be in any worse shape than they are today. I welcome the IPT and look forward to Orlando.

In sum, why not give the IPT just one chance to thrive before you put the nails in the coffin.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
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Tap! Tap! Tap! Well said Jam!
 
JAM said:
In sum, why not give the IPT just one chance to thrive before you put the nails in the coffin.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
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We on this board or any other board are not capable of putting nails in any coffin. The tour has been created. Players, venues and dates have been selected. The players are clearly excited and chomping at the bit. It is being backed by a maverick millionaire who doesnt care about our opinions.

This is a radical change suddenly thrust into our small community. It is only normal, given our past, for some to be on a high about it, some to be suspicious and for all aspects to be discussed.

As long as the discourse is fairly civil, let's continue the discussion. There is no need to limit people from expressing their legitimate opinions.

Despite the power you apparently attribute to those who would disagree with your view, The IPT will live and/or die on its own merits.

PS-Maybe things look different to you but id estimate discussions have been 60% optimistic, 20% neutral and 20% pessimistic.
 
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JAM said:
Ever since the IPT announcement of the players list AND the players invited to the King of the Hill Shootout, the forums have been on fire. There has been a great deal of controversy about the player selection, and along came a slew of posts about which players should be included, which players were omitted, which players don't belong in the IPT, and which players are worthy of membership.

Of course, the players who did submit an application and did not get selected are disappointed. Speculation has ensued about whether some players even bothered to submit an application.

Previous to today, I have participated in a few threads relating to the IPT. At one point, the flame got so hot that I thought maybe I should recuse myself from even posting on an IPT-related thread, for personal reasons which may be obvious to some.

When reading the disparaging comments about Kevin Trudeau and/or Mike Sigel, I cringe, but realize that everyone is entitled to an opinion, just like me. It is truly enlightening to read the views coming from the diversity of pool folk right here within this forum. What a motley crew we are, but that's the way I like it! :p

For the life of me, I just do not understand WHY there is so much skepticism and negativity projected towards the IPT and its counterparts when the reality is that they are creating a platform for pool players of all caliber and from all walks of the earth to shine AND actually receive monies that will ultimately change their lives for the better.

In return, the IPT has not requested one thing from the pool players. They withdrew the $899 membership fee, and the only thing required is for the players to come to Orlando and play pool.

I am very happy and totally impressed that the IPT has given the Hall of Famers and American veteran players a chance to be recognized for their lifetime dedication to the game/sport. I do not know who made the selections, but whatever or whoever did so deserves a hell of a lot better than the current naysayers condemning this tour before it gets off the ground and criticizing their every move.

So I end my Buzz Buster thread by saying THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Kevin Trudeau, for making the IPT a reality. This tour could change the lives of pool players who have been struggling their entire lives to keep afloat. I am saddened when I see world-class champions, Hall of Famers, and others continue to give it their all, but never seem to get ahead. The IPT gives pool players, old and young, HOPE for a future.

If the tour is a success, just imagine what this will do for the game/sport. In the alternative, if the tour falls down, the pool players will not be in any worse shape than they are today. I welcome the IPT and look forward to Orlando.

In sum, why not give the IPT just one chance to thrive before you put the nails in the coffin.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
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Well said JENNIE :D I wish my name was on there.I think I have a shot to do something in the future in that tour if I had a chance.Don't you think?SHOUT BACK!!!! ;) ;)
 
Nostroke said:
We on this board or any other board are not capable of putting nails in any coffin....
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Nostroke, the words "nails in the coffin" was my way of describing the opinions projected by posters who have expressed negative views about the IPT. I never stated that "we on this board or any other board" are capable of ending the IPT tour. Please do not get into a wordsmith game with me.

Nostroke said:
This is a radical change suddenly thrust into our small community. It is only normal, given our past, for some to be on a high about it, some to be suspicious and for all aspects to be discussed.
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I agree that a lively discourse which is fairly civil is a good thing. In recent times, though, I have read some disparaging comments which IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION thought were unwarranted. Key words here: "IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION."

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As long as the discourse is fairly civil, let's continue the discussion. There is no need to limit people from expressing their legitimate opinions.
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I agree with you, Nostroke, that nobody should be limited from expressing their legitimate opinion; thus, I expressed mine. The intent of my post was to allow the IPT to unfold before casting negative remarks about the tour because, in reality, it ain't even begun yet.

Nostroke said:
Despite the power you apparently attribute to those who would disagree with your view, The IPT will live and/or die on its own merits.
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Again, I have not, nor have I ever, attributed POWER to those who disagree with my view. Give me a break here, will you? I stood up on a soap box and initiated this thread. I appreciate you taking the time to provide your interpretation of the meaning behind my post. However, you're dead wrong on this one.

JAM
 
Ryan McCreesh said:
Well said JENNIE :D I wish my name was on there.I think I have a shot to do something in the future in that tour if I had a chance.Don't you think?SHOUT BACK!!!! ;) ;)
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There will be an IPT 2007 Qualifying Tournament at the end of November 2006. Entry fee is $1000. Top fifty players will earn their 2007 IPT tour card.
 
Ryan McCreesh said:
Well said JENNIE :D I wish my name was on there.I think I have a shot to do something in the future in that tour if I had a chance.Don't you think?SHOUT BACK!!!! ;) ;)
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Hey, where you been, Small Fry? :D

Of course, you've got a shot at beating anybody on the face of the planet, including my horse! ;)

I remember when the IPT discussion first surfaced. You and Keith both agreed that you would change your approaches to this game if given an opportunity such as this. The IPT gives a pool player HOPE. Nobody can live off of pool the way it is today. World-class champion players with numerous titles are living beneath the poverty level.

BTW, we will be in A.C. on October 20-22. Hope to see the Genie Man! You'll know where to find us. "Gimme a lil numba now!" :D

$2,000-added Joss Tour this weekend, Ryan, in New York. We can't go, but if you're eligible for that NUTS playoff, you should get yourself there. In addition to the 9-ball tournament, there will be a NUTS playoff open to eligible Joss Tour players. Winners of the NUTS playoff get a FREE entry fee to some upcoming events, one being the Glass City Open which will occur on November 8-13, 2005. If you're the only NUTS playoff player who shows up, you'll win the entry fees automatically. This tournament has your name all over it, Ryan! :cool:

JAM
 
Nostroke said:
...PS-Maybe things look different to you but id estimate discussions have been 60% optimistic, 20% neutral and 20% pessimistic.
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LOL! :D Your postscript may just invite a poll thread down the road. ;)

Interesting observation, though, Nostroke, one which leans towards the positive. :p

Truth be told, I am not 100-percent certain what the future holds as it pertains to the IPT. One thing for sure, I do have a renewed sense of enthusiasm for the game/sport. Continuing down the current tournament trail filled with political potholes, stop signs, and economic burdens, it has not been a very pleasant journey as of late, at least as it pertains to me and mine. The grass may not be greener on the other side, but it sure looks good to me at this juncture! :)

JAM
 
JAM I'm not sure that you truly encourage a "lively discourse" by calling for people to only be positive about the IPT in their posts.

Also im not sure why we are permitted to have a positve view if "aint even begun yet" but we should not have a less than positive one. Not to mention that it did begin with the World Championship in Vegas in August. We have lots of information (no longer rumor i might add) relative to the King of the Hill Event upcoming in November on which to express opinions also.

At any rate i think we both want pool to prosper-I just dont think you needed to get on that soap box.
 
Nostroke said:
JAM I'm not sure that you truly encourage a "lively discourse" by calling for people to only be positive about the IPT in their posts.

Also im not sure why we are permitted to have a positve view if "aint even begun yet" but we should not have a less than positive one. Not to mention that it did begin with the World Championship in Vegas in August. We have lots of information (no longer rumor i might add) relative to the King of the Hill Event upcoming in November on which to express opinions also.

At any rate i think we both want pool to prosper-I just dont think you needed to get on that soap box.
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At the risk of engaging in a back-and-forth colloqury about word meanings AND/OR thwarting a lively discourse, I would like to think I could get on that soap box freely here at AzBilliards Discussion Forum.

It seems like you are dissecting my post(s) and providing Nostroke's interpretation of JAM's intent. What gives?

JAM
 
Maybe I missed this but I was wondering after looking at the list of players---How come women were unable to play at the Derby City Classic last year but are able to play in the IPT tournaments? Did the women's tour sanction the IPT tour also to make it possible? I am sure there is an obvious answer that someone will tell me.
 
JAM said:
At the risk of engaging in a back-and-forth colloqury about word meanings AND/OR thwarting a lively discourse, I would like to think I could get on that soap box freely here at AzBilliards Discussion Forum.

It seems like you are dissecting my post(s) and providing Nostroke's interpretation of JAM's intent. What gives?

JAM
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And doing a crummy job too i guess! :)

No more colloqury from me!! I know you have bigger fish to fry anyway!

Go forth and fry!!
 
watchez said:
Maybe I missed this but I was wondering after looking at the list of players---How come women were unable to play at the Derby City Classic last year but are able to play in the IPT tournaments? Did the women's tour sanction the IPT tour also to make it possible? I am sure there is an obvious answer that someone will tell me.
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Im not so sure there is an obvious answer- I want to know also. We never really got a definitive answer on the DCC either last year and a WPBA player told me recently it had nothing to do with the gambling atmosphere etc.

If i had to guess- I think id guess that the WPBA is interpreting the IPT as of now, to not be direct competition and that means (to them) they can play without sanctioning.

This is a guess and i have not discussed it with a single human. My second guess would be that Kevin has agreed to pay the sanctioning fees.
 
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JAM...... YOU ROCK! :D I sometimes feel the need to get on here and post, but usually..... you say what I feel, so I don't have to! :p

IPT, regardless of how it is rated 10 years from now, is the CURRENT hope for a lot of players. We, who love the game, want to play the game, and who have supported it for years will get to experience what may possibly be the single biggest revolution that pool has ever undergone. I'm proud to be included, along with Keith and all of the rest of those chosen..... my only regret is that it is limited in any way to certain players. The growing begins and before soon, all players will have an opportunity to participate! In the end, everyone will have this chance.

You know the ole "going out on a limb" idea applies here..... except in the past haven't we (poolplayers) gone out on limb's that weren't even close to being this strong! I'm hoping that most people will see that this could turn out to be just *the thing* that pool needs and agree to give it a chance!

Anyway.... look forward to seeing you guys in Orlando and checking everything out first hand. I'm excited enough to PRACTICE.... and that hasn't happened in a real long time.....

Tammie Wesley-Jones
 
It is very nice to read something positive about the IPT on this forum for a change.
 
Celtic said:
It is very nice to read something positive about the IPT on this forum for a change.
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Perfect, absolutely perfect! Why are there so many people knocking this tour? I just don't understand, how one minute they are saying there's no money in pool, the players deserve more, what about the fan's, then the next minute they are killing this idea. WTF? Who's going to lose if this doesn't work out? The players. What are they going to lose? Their travel expenses and entry fee, at worst. Where's the risk? Wake up!, all you naysayers, this is THE chance the players have been waiting for. They risk more money every time they go to Vegas for the B.C.A. tournament with the blackjack and craps tables, plus the recent hi-jackings of trucks, than they will ever have to with the I.P.T. I just don't get it, we may never see an opportunity like this come along as long as we live and those of you that have negative things to say, have NO RISK, whatsoever! I give up, going back to my 1980's magazines, 80's frame of mind, and look at all that prize money that pool was giving away. Oh, wait a minute, I can just look at the most recent payouts for that, huh? Peace, John
 
Well said John!

What is there to lose? If you're gonna be critical then I'm sure the critics are least a bit curious, no?

My only observation is this. In the 'King of the Hill' tourney which is played out by 43 players in a round robin format, why is it that the winner then has to play Mike Segal for the final?

No disrespect to Mike Segal, but why does he have an automatic bye to the final? There's some great players in the field (including Mike) but surely he'd have no problem in earning his way to the final.

Comments anyone?

(Hope I've got this right!)

BS
 
Blue_Suede said:
Well said John!

What is there to lose? If you're gonna be critical then I'm sure the critics are least a bit curious, no?

My only observation is this. In the 'King of the Hill' tourney which is played out by 43 players in a round robin format, why is it that the winner then has to play Mike Segal for the final?

No disrespect to Mike Segal, but why does he have an automatic bye to the final? There's some great players in the field (including Mike) but surely he'd have no problem in earning his way to the final.

Comments anyone?

(Hope I've got this right!)

BS
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Maybe because his cues ain't selling. :rolleyes:
Don
 
Blue_Suede said:
Well said John!

What is there to lose? If you're gonna be critical then I'm sure the critics are least a bit curious, no?

My only observation is this. In the 'King of the Hill' tourney which is played out by 43 players in a round robin format, why is it that the winner then has to play Mike Segal for the final?

No disrespect to Mike Segal, but why does he have an automatic bye to the final? There's some great players in the field (including Mike) but surely he'd have no problem in earning his way to the final.

Comments anyone?

(Hope I've got this right!)

BS
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I'm not sure if anyone has the answer to that. But, King Of The Hill, means, the king of the hill, and someone has to knock him off. He's the MAN! It could have been L.J.J. too, I think people are forgetting that she had the chance to be there just like Mike. I think it's a helluva gimmick, Mike's paid his dues, why not him? Peace, John.
 
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