Jasmin Ouschan at the BCA Open - Historical Perspective

sjm

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Now that Jasmin Ouschan's memorable victory at the BCA "Enjoypool.com" Open is in the books, it is time to consider it in the historical perspective of women's pro pool.

First, I'll share a couple of thoughts about the final, which I watched sitting next to AZHOUSEPRO.

The match, played at a high level, really had two decisive moments, each favoring one of the finalists. The first came with Fisher leading 1 - 0. Ouschan played well to beat Allison Fisher to the shot on the one but failed to get out. and it was difficult not to consider the possibility that Jasmin had come out of the gate a little nervous. The result was an early lead for Fisher. Ouschan caught a stroke in mid-match, tying it at 4-4. Fisher owned the double hill break if it came to that, so Ouschan would need a rack off of a Fisher break to win the match. At 4-4, what I believe to have been the defining moment of the final was when Allison broke and had to play safe on the one ball. She had a "stop shot safety" and accidentally drew the cue ball to miss the hook, playing Jasmin back into the rack, and it ultimately cost, with Ouschan getting the "service break" she'd need to win the match. From there, Ouschan never gave Allison an inch.

Getting back to the matter of where this match sits in the annals of women's pro pool, let's start with the first obvious question that needs to be considered:

The two most memorable wins by a very young player in recent times are Ga Young Kim (22 years old) at the 2004 US Open and Jasmin Ouschan (20 years old) at the 2006 BCA Open. Which rates the more impressive?

Actually, this is no contest. In winning the 2004 US Open, the victim's list of Ga Young Kim was Hurst, Crimi, Lee, Little, Herndon and Corr. But the victims list for Ouschan at the 2006 BCA Open included these players:

Ga Young Kim - 2 time world champion, US Open champion, #4 ranked
Karen Corr - #2 ranked player, 3 time BCA Open champion
Kelly Fisher - winner of previous WPBA event, ranked #3
Gerda Hofstatter - 1995 world champion, former #2 ranked player
Shin Mei Liu - Multiple winner of both World Chammpionship and Amway Cup
Helena Thornfeldt - Former US Open champion and former #3 ranked player
Allison Fisher - #1 in the world

This accomplishment is without equal in the thirty one years that I have followed women's pro pool. The last time a young player pulled off something like this, in my opinion, was when Jean Balukas beat then-dominant Dorothy Wise in the final of the (1972?) US Open Straight Pool Championship.

Jasmin won in her third ever WPBA event. Allison Fisher, of course, won in her second ever WPBA event. It will be exciting to watch the continued emergence of Ouschan.
 
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you caught it as usual, sjm.

ouschan has a sweet stroke, and plays a clean game. i had wondered since i saw her last 4 years ago, if she would improve. cleary, that european training was the way to go.

......and you're right. the players she had to slice through were formidable. i want to see her and jeanette face off in 14.1
 
She came to Mothers several years ago. You could tell then that with her stroke she very well could be a complete champion.
Looks like nickname time...I'll start...

Ouschan with the win potion.
or maybe
Jasmin makes champs a has been.

OK...somebody do better...please...
 
Varney Cues said:
She came to Mothers several years ago. You could tell then that with her stroke she very well could be a complete champion.
Looks like nickname time...I'll start...

Ouschan with the win potion.
or maybe
Jasmin makes champs a has been.

OK...somebody do better...please...

the ladies seem to enjoy saddling each other with hideously laughable nicknames like sledgehammer and nestle's crunch,,,and they're all ominous.

in fact, not having a nickname is refreshing. i vote for "jasmin ouschan".
 
bruin70 said:
you caught it as usual, sjm.

ouschan has a sweet stroke, and plays a clean game. i had wondered since i saw her last 4 years ago, if she would improve. cleary, that european training was the way to go.

......and you're right. the players she had to slice through were formidable. i want to see her and jeanette face off in 14.1

It sounds like you must have been there in early December of 2002. Jasmin was in NYC, en route to the 2002 WPBA Nationals, and I was at Amsterdam Billiard Club practicing with my close friend Gerda Hofstatter. Jasmin was watching us, but Gerda and I broke for dinner shortly thereafter. Before I left, however, I wanted to make sure Jasmin had a good opponent with which to pracitce. I asked my friend Jonathan Smith if he'd give her a game, explaining that she was a sixteen year old phenom from Europe. Jonathan was kind enough to play her, but gave her a rather sound beating.

In Vegas this week, I caught up with Jasmin over luch this week, and reminded her of that game. Pleased to note that she said she forgives me for feeding her to the lions. She's come a long way since then, of course!
 
I have in the past ignored the finals of the BCA pro events for they seem to be reruns of past matches and I rather like going to the earlier matches to see the up and comers. Wow! I just had to see Jasmine play Allison and was rewarded with an almost perfect performance. I don't like the race to 7 - it should be more but for TV. Jasmine was intense, all work, all heart, knew that the challenge was formidable and was in her zone. How can a 20 year old stand the pressure and play so well - remarkable.

This was a highlight in pool history and I hope to see her in the USA and IPT - if she needs the money.
 
Hi sjm. Thanks again for the VIP ticket on Thursday. I was pretty impressed with Jasmin's play in the two matches that we watched. From what I've seen, she may have the potential to play 9-ball at a higher level than both Karen and Allison. She has a powerful stroke that I just don't see any of the other girls posessing.

Nice to finally meet you. I'm sure we'll run into each other again somewhere. Meiko says hi (she's right here).


sjm said:
Now that Jasmin Ouschan's memorable victory at the BCA "Enjoypool.com" Open is in the books, it is time to consider it in the historical perspective of women's pro pool.

First, I'll share a couple of thoughts about the final, which I watched sitting next to AZHOUSEPRO.

The match, played at a high level, really had two decisive moments, each favoring one of the finalists. The first came with Fisher leading 1 - 0. Ouschan played well to beat Allison Fisher to the shot on the one but fialed to get out. and it was difficult not to consider the possibility that Jasmin had come out of the gate a little nervous. The result was an early lead for Fisher. Ouschan caught a stroke in mid-match, tying it at 4-4. Fisher owned the double hill break if it came to that, so Ouschan would need a rack off of a Fisher break to win the match. At 4-4, what I believe to have been the defining moment of the final was when Allison broke and had to play safe on the one ball. She had a "stop shot safety" and accidentally drew the cue ball to miss the hook, playing Jasmin back into the rack, and it ultimately cost, with Ouschan getting the "service break" she'd need to win the match. From there, Ouschan never gave Allison an inch.

Getting back to the matter of where this match sits in the annals of women's pro pool, let's start with the first obvious question that needs to be considered:

The two most memorable wins by a very young player in recent times are Ga Young Kim (22 years old) at the 2004 and Jasmin Ouschan (20 years old) at the BCA Open win. Which rates the more impressive?

Actually, this is no contest. In winning the 2004 US Open, the victim's list of Ga Young Kim was Hurst, Crimi, Lee, Little, Herndon and Corr. But the victims list for Ouschan at the the 2006 BCA Open included these players:

Ga Young Kim - 2 time world champion, US Open champion, #4 ranked
Karen Corr - #2 ranked player, 3 time BCA Open champion
Kelly Fisher - winner of previous WPBA event, ranked #3
Gerda Hofstatter - 1995 world champion, former #2 ranked player
Shin Mei Liu - Multiple winner of both World Chammpionship and Amway Cup
Helena Thornfeldt - Former US Open champion and former #3 ranked player
Allison Fisher - #1 in the world

This accomplishment is without equal in the thrity one years that I have followed women's pro pool. The last time a young player pulled off something like this, in my opinion, was when Jean Balukas beat then-dominant Dorothy Wise in the final of the (1972?) US Open Straight Pool Championship.

Jasmin won in her third ever WPBA event. Allison Fisher, of course, won in her second ever WPBA event. It will be exciting to watch the continued emergence of Ouschan.
 
Great synopsis! I wish I could tell people how much knowledge you have and how well equipped you are to make this assessment. This is high praise indeed! It is going to be exciting to watch her career and to imagine this is only the beginning!
 
Jimmy M. said:
Hi sjm. Thanks again for the VIP ticket on Thursday. I was pretty impressed with Jasmin's play in the two matches that we watched. From what I've seen, she may have the potential to play 9-ball at a higher level than both Karen and Allison. She has a powerful stroke that I just don't see any of the other girls posessing.

Nice to finally meet you. I'm sure we'll run into each other again somewhere. Meiko says hi (she's right here).


Interesting
I hope to get to see JO play one day.

Do you think that theres enough room for Jasmin's stroke to have that much impact on the WPBA?
From what I have seen the equipment makes having a great stroke a little
less of a priority. IMO Karen and Allison have good stroke for their games.
They both aim, lineup and play position very well. I am not sure how they
would do with tighter pockets.

I know I have opened myself up for blasting but I really do feel that some of the equipment on the WPBA Tour is too loose.
IMO Melissa Herdon has a good powerful stroke. She is another one that I think would benefit if the WPBA played on tougher and slower tables.
Of course Allison and the other top ladies would be up there but I think it would set up better play and more upsets.
 
frankncali said:
Interesting
I hope to get to see JO play one day.

Do you think that theres enough room for Jasmin's stroke to have that much impact on the WPBA?
From what I have seen the equipment makes having a great stroke a little
less of a priority. IMO Karen and Allison have good stroke for their games.
They both aim, lineup and play position very well. I am not sure how they
would do with tighter pockets.

I know I have opened myself up for blasting but I really do feel that some of the equipment on the WPBA Tour is too loose.
IMO Melissa Herdon has a good powerful stroke. She is another one that I think would benefit if the WPBA played on tougher and slower tables.
Of course Allison and the other top ladies would be up there but I think it would set up better play and more upsets.

I believe that tightening the equipment on the WPBA, and it's already tighter than you think (4 1/2") by the sound of it, would increase, not decrease, the advantage already enjoyed by the three snooker champions who currently occupy the top three spots in the WPBA rankings.
 
sjm,

While I've seen GYK close up winning against still world winners, I can't help but think that what Jasmin did was a New World Record in the sport of Women's Pool!! She won over the top 5 women in the sport at one go of it! Think of that!! It's incredible!!

Barbara
 
Jimmy M. said:
Hi sjm. Thanks again for the VIP ticket on Thursday. I was pretty impressed with Jasmin's play in the two matches that we watched. From what I've seen, she may have the potential to play 9-ball at a higher level than both Karen and Allison. She has a powerful stroke that I just don't see any of the other girls posessing.

Nice to finally meet you. I'm sure we'll run into each other again somewhere. Meiko says hi (she's right here).

Your observations of Jasmin's stroke have allot to say about the future of Allison and Karen and the like. With an european style of snooker play adapted to 9-ball its only a matter of time they will get soundly beat. By that, they really don't have a second and third gear like Bustamante or any great player that can truly "swing it", because in 9-ball you need that extended follow throw/throwing motion to get to the next level, I think its time for Allison to "change" so as to keep up with the game as its NOW starting to evolve, with play getting better and better from the other gals. I have seen Janette Lee hit a second gear before.
 
in case some didnt know, check out her results in the last european championship. she is really one of the top players in greath form this year and im happy she's from europe :D
 
Barbara said:
sjm,

While I've seen GYK close up winning against still world winners, I can't help but think that what Jasmin did was a New World Record in the sport of Women's Pool!! She won over the top 5 women in the sport at one go of it! Think of that!! It's incredible!!

Barbara

The comparison with Ga Young is an interesting one, and I feel strongly that, despite the fact that Jasmin breaks the balls well, Ga Young Kim has the better break of the two. I'd credit Ga Young Kim with marginally better run out skills, as well. I'd give the edge in defense to Jasmin and the edge in kicking to Ga Young. I'd also give Jasmin a slight edge in tactical conceptualization.

At least at this moment in time, I'd rate their games about even, although if both are going on all cylinders, I give an edge to Ga Young. Nonetheless, I am of the opinion that if they played ten sets, they would each win five.

That's today, however, and I see more development in Jasmin. Relative to a year ago, Jasmin's game has matured considerably, and I believe her game will pass that of Ga Young soon.

Nice to have young superstars to post about, isn't it?
 
Jimmy M. said:
Hi sjm. Thanks again for the VIP ticket on Thursday. I was pretty impressed with Jasmin's play in the two matches that we watched. From what I've seen, she may have the potential to play 9-ball at a higher level than both Karen and Allison. She has a powerful stroke that I just don't see any of the other girls posessing.

Nice to finally meet you. I'm sure we'll run into each other again somewhere. Meiko says hi (she's right here).

The pleasure was mine, Jimmy. It is always a treat to sweat matches with someone whose passion for the game matches mine. I reckon that Jasmin's best effort in the tournament was in the match against Shin Mei Liu, which we watched together. Jasmin's confidence and swagger were in full display, and her game was sharp as a knife.
 
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