Jay Helfert owes an apology!

This thread was started to knock Jay and the 1p Challenge. What happened here:

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nfty9er said:
It is shared by many not a few. Only a few on this forum. I have talked to many, many people and they share the same view. Same table. When a match is on tv table, two players are playing on "that" table for a win. They both have an equal chance. There is no comparison. How in the hell were people to complain before hand if they were in bed resting or were in action somewhere else when he decided to go elsewhere? There were people who sure complained after though. I was there and heard them, were you? Did you ever think or any of you that they may not partake in the internet?
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Your post is the last gasp of a failed argument. In the face of overwhelming DOCUMENTED opposing views, the debater suggests but cannot prove, that there are "many" people who agree with him.

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Originally Posted by jay helfert
On day two, Allen Hopkins taught everyone how to break. It was a third ball One Pocket break with a little more speed.


I told him I thought people were breaking wrong and that is when he changed his break. Actually I think the 2nd ball is better. I even like the head ball for consistency believe it or not.
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OH...now you know more about one pocket than Allen Hopkins. Right...right.

I'm sure you also predicted the winner of all the DCC events, won all your rail bets, have predicted all major stock market tops and bottoms over the past 20 years and are preparing to file a patent on a drug that cures cancer, diabetes, obesity and cardio-vascular disease.

Too bad...for you...that monorchidism is not a treatable defect.

Jim
 
This challenge was more fun than anything for the players, secondary at best to what they had going on... good idea by Jay, this is PATHETIC.. waaahh.
 
nfty9er said:
You don't get it Jay, I loved the challenge. I spent many hours watching. I support it and think it was a great idea. You just don't change the table in the end after 3 days. Have you ever changed the table you used for a break pot at any of your rooms?.
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I don't know why I'm bothering to respond in this deal, but here goes. Have you followed this thread at all? Bob Jewett said he had to lock the room because there was video equipment in the room which he was responsible for and he needed to get some sleep because he had to be back at 10 am for the straight pool. Perfectly understandable on Bob's part and perfectly understandable for Jay to move to a different table in order to allow those who had paid their money to finish up.

If I was Bob Jewett I would have done exactly the same thing, and if I was Jay Helfert I also would have done the same thing. It's not like he moved it from a diamond to an olhausen or a bar box. You act like Jay did some sneaky deal and moved to an easier table to help out his buddies.

You aren't making yourself look good in this deal. If I was you I would make nice and move on.
 
jay helfert said:
Gabe's 60 was a remarkable achievement, and I won't be taking anything away from it here. As far as I'm concerned, you could have let everyone in the entire One Pocket tournament take a swing at it (including Efren) and no one would beat that score. His 60 compares with a pro golfer shooting a 59! IMHO

Now for the full story. We were playing the One Pocket Challenge in the same room as the Straight Pool Challenge run by Bob Jewett. He offered to let us use his second table. On the first day, our event did not attract too many players. But on the second day it picked up and everyone (except Efren) started shooting at it. John Schmidt was leading with a 45, and I even bet Greg Sullivan $100 that it would hold up. We had a couple of other scores in the 40's, by Alex and Gabe.

Bob seemed to be enjoying the Challenge as much as Steve Lomako and I were enjoying putting it on. At least I thought so. Steve wasn't so sure, and asked me more than once if I thought Bob was upset because of all the attention our event was getting. I assured him this was not the case.

Now it was the third and final day, and the place went crazy. We had six or seven top players lined up taking turns trying to beat John's 45. Gabe, Alex, Corey, Mika, Cliff and Allen Hopkins just to name a few. It was bedlam in there and everyone was having a blast, ribbing each other and trying to shark the other guys. Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin hung out with us for a long time, and they seemed to be enjoying it as much as we were. I guess it somewhat over shadowed the Straight Pool being played on the next table. And you all know that during high runs, the audience is expected to be quiet. Quiet it wasn't!

We quit taking new entries at 10:00 PM, and were determined to finish that night, when everyone had got all their tries. It was three tries for $50, plus one extra try for anyone who makes a perfect 15. There were about a dozen 15's made in three days total. AMAZING is all I have to say. About 12:30 AM (after Mika had made his 47), Bob Jewett informed me that I had to finish up in a few minutes because he was going to lock up the room. Duh? What?? He knew I had many people yet to shoot. I asked him if I could lock up the room and was turned down. I had to scramble to find another table.

I went first to the AZ room, and the guys in there were great and agreed to let us use one table. The only problem was all the spectators who were sweating it. So I ran into the tournament room and matches were still underway. Everywhere but on the TV table, which is one that I had been using most every night for the Ring Ten Ball game. It was open, and there was plenty of room for people to watch. I made a snap decision to finish the Challenge there. It was an identical table to the one we had been using, except it had newer cloth and hotter lighting. I never considered that I was making a mistake. I thought it would be a great place to finish the Challenge.

So I returned to the original room and informed all the players that we would be moving to the TV table. I explained that we had been asked to leave this room immediately. No one said a word in complaint! They just wanted the turns they had paid for. And about 1 AM, off we went to finish up. Corey, Alex, Cliff, Gabe and a few others fired away until 7 AM. There were a couple of scores over 40 (Alex had a 46), and then Gabe shot his spectacular 60. He just played perfect, broke good and ran the balls like a genius. I watched the whole thing. He strung together five good innings, which is EXTREMELY hard to do.

Mika even came down and we gave him three tries to try to top Gabe. He couldn't get to 40. All the players agreed that the TV table broke better, but that was about it. The pockets were the same as were the rails. I refuse to apologize for running an event which was so well received by everyone. There are things I can do to make it better next year. And yes, mistakes were made. Greg has assured me that next year, we will have our own room. This year was an experiment, and it worked out great. Gabe won $1,500 and we paid out another $1,500 to the next three players. The added money all came from people at AZ, so we can be proud of this event. Next year, I think we can expect some added money from Diamond as well. It should be bigger and better in 2009. Thanks again to all of you who contributed.

And thanks for listening to my side of the story.
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Judgment for the defendant, Mr. Jay Helfert. The circumstances surrounding the incident were unforeseen and an unintended consequence that are beyond the action and control of Mr. Helfert. Mr. Helfert made every attempt to make it as fair and as reasonably possible for the event to conclude. Moreover, none of the participants had any major concern about the alternative in moving the venue. As stated, this is a trial run and certainly the circumstance surrounding this event must be noted and addressed for future 1P challenges. Case closed.
 
jay helfert said:
This will be my final response to you Dick. Yes, I found out who you are. Find me one player who says he paid me money after Midnite and you win $1,000! But if you can't find a player, you owe me $1,000. Bet?

Once again, no further entries were accepted after Midnite. That is a blatant lie and you sir are a liar! In fact the last entries we received were before 11 PM. It appears you have an axe to grind with me, and will go to great lengths to do so.

Your reputation on the West Coast is well known DICK! I have heard many stories about you and the way you have treated pool players who played in your room and in your tournaments. From what I can gather, you have an equally bad attitude in person. Many players have told me they will not go in your room. And you know who they are. Maybe they are all wrong about you, but I'm beginning to believe them more and more with each stupid post you make.

I will not back down from a loud mouth asshole, who runs his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about. If you have a problem with me, come see me in person. I'm not hard to find. You can stop hiding behind a screen name and come out and tell us who you are.

So one guy complained to you about the Challenge (let me guess), and you decided to take up the sword for him. Too bad he didn't have the balls to tell me himself. You two deserve each other.

Enough is enough. You've ranted on long enough about absolute bullshit. Go brush your tables and clean your balls, something you are qualified to do.
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Jay,
I have not been spending a lot of time on the forums & basically have logged in to check my PMs. I'm going to try to spend a day sometime catching up on many threads I just glanced at. But I did read this one & what caught my eye was when you used the phrase "your reputation" in the post I included in my quote. That's what I want to address here.

First, I am on your side in this debate. I believe things worked out and happened exactly how you said they did. Why? Because you said that's what happened. See, YOU also have a reputation, one that many people would envy. You're a stand up guy who will not out & out try to fleece or bamboozle someone. Yea, you may like getting the nuts in a bank game,but you give weight as much, if not more, than you accept it. But I'm drifting from my point. Which is this. Your life in pool seems to be an open book on our forum. We know how many players & posters enjoy your posts, agree with your opinions and value your contributions here. You are our second highest rated member here (Doug is still #1 & he'll like seeing that!:) ) the last time I checked a week or so ago. So what we have is the number 2 highest rated member of AZB land, a guy whose every encounter with others in pooldom is seemingly documented on these hallowed pages with no known previous problems, now being accused of doing something shady that in reality, seemed to have happened because of circumstances. Why this is being made such a big deal is what's shady to me.

If the original poster did have a complaint or an issue he wished to address with you, I believe a PM or perhaps an email woulkd have been a much classier move than to post something publically that attempts to make the readers believe that you tried to use debauchery or some sort of "trickeration" in front of the largest and most balleyhood venue in pooldom to achieve some unknown desired result.

For the record, I trust you (Jay) as much as I trust anybody I know. I would trust you with my money, in my house alone or with my prized possession of Accu-Stats! :eek: I would have even trusted you to babysit my kids when they were younger, and THAT'S saying something.

Now you understand a little better how Grady & Freddy sometimes feel.:eek:
 
fanthom said:
Judgment for the defendant, Mr. Jay Helfert. The circumstances surrounding the incident were unforeseen and an unintended consequence that are beyond the action and control of Mr. Helfert. Mr. Helfert made every attempt to make it as fair and as reasonably possible for the event to conclude. Moreover, none of the participants had any major concern about the alternative in moving the venue. As stated, this is a trial run and certainly the circumstance surrounding this event must be noted and addressed for future 1P challenges. Case closed.
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A well-reasoned decision. I concur.
 
It sounds to me like Jay did the best he could with the facilities that were available to him. His reputation in the pool world speaks for itself. Quit nitpicking on him based on some ideal facilities that weren't available. It sounds like he did the best he could with what was available.

Maybe you can write to Greg at Diamond:

Dear Greg, next year we would like a dedicated table for the 1P Challenge because different Diamond tables play differently. Oh, actually, we need a sound-proof booth for the table to be set up in, because to be fair to each player, there should be the exact same noise level. Oh, and each time the competition is played, the table conditions will change a little on a given table, so we should have 1 table per contestant, each with brand new cloth, each in it's own humidity and temperature controlled sound-proof booth, so they can all play at the exact same time under identical conditions.

Yes, I understand that this is beyond what you're asking for. However, I'm just trying to show that it's nearly impossible for it to be 100% fair to the point of perfectly ideal. Jay did the best he could under the practical situation he was confronted with. If you had a problem with that, then offering constructive feedback would have been much more productive.

Whatever pro that asked you to complain just threw you under the bus. Why do you think he didn't post?

nfty9er said:
60 was a piece of cake.
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This one sentence proves that your entire post is an exaggeration of how it went down, IMO.
 
Terry Ardeno said:
I have not been spending a lot of time on the forums & basically have logged in to check my PMs. I'm going to try to spend a day sometime catching up on many threads I just glanced at
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you start every post stating this; are you saying you got a life outside of pool and AzB? Noooo
 
yobagua said:
. . . Why do the haters always come out of the woodwork to put negativity on something that was exciting and interesting to the pool fan.
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It's one of the deadly sins my friend. It's called ENVY. Cause? As wide as the universe and not even the best shrink money can buy can fully explain or answer. These are the same people who would rather trample on a beautiful bed of tulips and roses in a garden rather than taking a seat and admiring and absorbing all the beauty around them. Sad. . .
 
olauzon said:
you start every post stating this; are you saying you got a life outside of pool and AzB? Noooo
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Funny:D

"You start every post stating this".....

I used to spend 1-2 hours a day on here. Now, I'm lucky to have 15 minutes. I'm so busy anymore that I'm getting confused....I just checked and found that including the one that riled your feathers, I said that one other time, to Smorgie. So, 2 out of 1050 posts. Does that mean you exaggerated just a weee tiny bit or do my posts just get on your nerves that bad?:eek:
I think I've said it 3 times in all my posts ever. And they were all since late November when I stopped having extra time to spend here.

But, thanks for noticing!:)
 
Terry Ardeno said:
Funny:D

"You start every post stating this".....

I used to spend 1-2 hours a day on here. Now, I'm lucky to have 15 minutes. I'm so busy anymore that I'm getting confused....I just checked and found that including the one that riled your feathers, I said that one other time, to Smorgie. So, 2 out of 1050 posts. Does that mean you exaggerated just a weee tiny bit or do my posts just get on your nerves that bad?:eek:
I think I've said it 3 times in all my posts ever. And they were all since late November when I stopped having extra time to spend here.

But, thanks for noticing!:)
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First time I ever quoted me.....(no, really, it is!:D )

****ATTENTION*****

Urgent update.....
These stats just in fresh from the AZB member list.

OLAUZON...joined AZB 4/21/2007...408 posts..........1.51 posts per day
Me... joined AZB 3/26/2003...1050 posts........(.)60 perday) That's POINT (.)60 / .60 per day.

0.6 per day vs 1.51 per day. If I were a betting man, I would say that you spend way more time here than me, right?:)

Anyway my friend, this was fun banter. Hope to see you back soon and have a great day!:)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I always enjoy my ski dreams, even though I'm always one pole short.

pj
chgo
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Don't fret.......I hear that you can still get r done with a short pole, just requires more effort and better technique:confused:
 
ribdoner said:
Don't fret.......I hear that you can still get r done with a short pole, just requires more effort and better technique:confused:
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LOL.

THANKS for relieving me of the duty of submitting that post!!!

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