Jayson Shaw best in world

Get_A_Grip said:
I'd like to see some type of regular "King of the Hill" 10-ball match that is a race between 50 to 100 where any opponent in the top 10-20 could challenge the reigning champ. (Maybe using Fargo rating and maybe only USA residents?). Maybe play at least one match a month.

What I think would be great is if the person making the challenge would need to post up a significant amount ($5000?) of their own money in order to play the current champ. This is similar to when Shane took on all comers in the long TAR matches.

I would say that if someone could successfully hold the title as the champ the longest over the year playing against the other top 10-20 players in the USA, that they could maybe be considered the best rotation player in the USA for that year.

Obviously, this could be opened up to the all players in the world, but because many wouldn't travel to the USA to do this, I don't think the champ could ever be able to be labeled as the best player in the world.
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making this worldwide would be a disaster and not cause of the travelling, cause of the playingfield!
lets have a look, busti my all time fav would be in as no 15 (well hes close to a no 15....in the phillipines), efren would be in it as no19, who still shines at times, but really still top 20? surely not! then we would have justin bergmann in it as no14 (no disrespect, i understand his take) who only leaves the US for the mosconi paycheque every 2nd yr and mike dechaine as no 17!
not in it would be no 24, kenny cheng who was praisen as best rotation player ever when he won the US open lol, then no 28, albin the worldchamp, no 30, mika the straight pool champ, no 33 joschi, current china open champ and im sure some would argue about a few others too!
sry, but that would be a terrible way to find the best!
 
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Little tidbit from Billiards Digest; Feb 2017

"Just how hot has the 28-year old transplanted Scotsman been over the past 4 months? In seven tournaments (US Open, Steinway Classic, Ocean City 9b, Kuwait Open, M.I.H. Challange, Challenge of Champions and Turning Stone), Shaw lost a grand total of four matches.

His match record through those events was a piggish 42-4, with five undefeated showings."

Those stats are just sick :thumbup:
 
Before saying hes the best in a long race of 10 ball for the cheese lets get a

"REFRESER" on who hes ever beat at a long set of 10 ball for big cash.

This shouldnt take long as I know the list is pretty short


**** And you cant be the best when you can only basically play rotation
 
Shaw and Shane should rematch. It doesn't need to be huge. Race to 30 $20K. I'm sure there are plenty willing to stake either side.

They run into each other at tourneys all the time. Not sure why its so difficult to set up or reason to avoid the match.
 
I agree with what Justin was saying for the most part. Even long races in rotation games in big pockets can be a coin flip. There's just no place for the sport to go really, in my humble opinion, until one pocket becomes the main game in both tournaments and action.
 
10' races to 100 over 2 days 4 1/4 pockets will get the results we are looking for.if need be 2 outta 3 or 3 outta 5
Jason
 
Ekojasiloop said:
I agree with what Justin was saying for the most part. Even long races in rotation games in big pockets can be a coin flip. There's just no place for the sport to go really, in my humble opinion, until one pocket becomes the main game in both tournaments and action.
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A single game of one pocket can take 2 hours or more. Not gonna happen.
 
JumpinJoe said:
Before saying hes the best in a long race of 10 ball for the cheese lets get a

"REFRESER" on who hes ever beat at a long set of 10 ball for big cash.

This shouldnt take long as I know the list is pretty short


**** And you cant be the best when you can only basically play rotation
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Ok, lets go to the tape:

$16,000 1st DCC 2016 10B Challenge

Plus, he plays Banks, 1P and straight pool.

1st Place - Fourth Annual Deurne City Classic Banks
2nd Place - 2016 Derby City Banks
4th Place - 2016 Derby City 1 Pocket Div.
5th Place - 2016 American 14.1 Championship

So, yeah, not a "rotation" player only.

Sorry, but Billiards Digest made him their "Player of the Year", and that's a touch better than what the rail birds have to say imho ;)
 
Mike Dechaine got 2nd at 1p at DCC a few yrs ago and Earl got 2nd in 2011.

One high place finish could be very misleading.
 
Race to 100 I would think he would need to get through Shane first to be considered the best in that format.

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gxman said:
Mike Dechaine got 2nd at 1p at DCC a few yrs ago and Earl got 2nd in 2011.

One high place finish could be very misleading.
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Not really. It only means Dechaine and Earl know how to play the game.... and play it well, to advance that far, with a field as good as they have at Derby. Pretty hard to "luck" into a 1P semi-finals.

The misleading part is they don't enter many 1P tourneys, but it has nothing to do with their skill set. Earl plays pretty good straight pool as well.
 
All world class rotation players can play 1p to a decent level.

Earl, Dechaine, Shaw would be huge underdogs to a ton of 1p players.

Let's see, Shane is the only american that can keep up with Shaw in rotation, but I can name 15 americans that would beat Shaw silly in 1p.
 
gxman said:
All world class rotation players can play 1p to a decent level.

Earl, Dechaine, Shaw would be huge underdogs to a ton of 1p players.

Let's see, Shane is the only american that can keep up with Shaw in rotation, but I can name 15 americans that would beat Shaw silly in 1p.
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Great, and guess what. Shaw makes more money that all the guys that can beat him at 1P. He was BD player of the year. How many of those 1P players won any rotational tourneys?

Sorry, Shaw's one of the best players on the planet right now. But, hey, don't listen to guys like Darren Appleton who have said the same thing. There are rail birds who know the truth ;)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Ok, lets go to the tape:

$16,000 1st DCC 2016 10B Challenge

Plus, he plays Banks, 1P and straight pool.

1st Place - Fourth Annual Deurne City Classic Banks
2nd Place - 2016 Derby City Banks
4th Place - 2016 Derby City 1 Pocket Div.
5th Place - 2016 American 14.1 Championship

So, yeah, not a "rotation" player only.

Sorry, but Billiards Digest made him their "Player of the Year", and that's a touch better than what the rail birds have to say imho ;)
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So you proved my point perfectly.
You could not mention ANYONE he beat in a long set for the cheese. To be the best you got to be able to get the cheese. Something he doesn't do well as he lets his emotions get involved.


And yes he can win races to 3, in any discipline, the same as I can. That doesn't make him a great player at the game by any means.
 
Iv asked the guestion is he the best residing in the USA rotation player in Tourny play , he's had a good run , but long sets are another issue till the king gets knocked of that hill that being Shane the answer is no if it were tomorrow he might win seams Shane has been enjoying life fishing ,sky diving and such he don't need to grind like Shaw has to
God forbid the Asians start playing one pocket because you can expect the same out of them your seeing from Robo Cop and since I mentioned him I'm not so sure he wants any part of him big money long set either he's not in DOs head like Shane is


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