Jayson Shaw hop breakshot during his 227 in Slo-Mo at DCC 2015

stevekur1

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Hey Guys,

I came across this thread in the Main Forum and i thought it to be applicable to be in the 14.1 Forum where it belongs.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5124694#post5124694

Jayson Shaw shoots a Hop Breakshot, someone took the liberty to cut the clip and slow it down a little.

This is a great shot, and i have used it a few times with great success in an undesirable situation to help continue a run. It's a great shot to add to the tool kit for 14.1 you'll never know when you'll need it when you fall out of line.

Like said in the post, special thanks to Dennis Walsh and the crew at the DCC 14.1 Challenge for the footage and the great event !!

-Steve
 
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How does it work? I've thought about it and it seems to me that contact above the equator would make the OB cut more for the same approach angle. And that this situation is the reverse.

Is the spin what makes it happen? I'm baffled.
 
How does it work? I've thought about it and it seems to me that contact above the equator would make the OB cut more for the same approach angle. And that this situation is the reverse.

Is the spin what makes it happen? I'm baffled.
The cue ball is in the air when it hits the object ball. If it's only up a little, it will only hop a little. At the speed of that break shot, if it is up a lot it will go off the table. Yes, the cut is a little thinner, but for a nearly full shot the change is small.

There is nothing complicated about the shot but you do have to practice to get a feel for how high and far forward the cue ball will jump. I think a good shot to practice with is:

Put the break ball below the rack even with one of the corner balls and almost touching the rack outline. This is a "behind the rack" break shot. Place the cue ball near the side cushion on the same side of table as the break ball and with a very slight cut angle in the right direction so you might get a ball loose if you're lucky.

Shoot the break shot with simple center ball and hard. Elevate enough to land the cue ball in the middle of the rack.

Actually, I don't think Shaw was necessarily trying to hop the cue ball although it did get better break action from the hop. We would have to ask him.
 
Agree completely about unreserved gratitude for what the guys do for the DCC's 14.1 promotion and dedicated enactment each year.

I’ve done this hopping break a number of times myself over the years, (but always on someone else’s cloth that already had divot marks on it) and always with a closed bridge when possible, because I could never trust the reliability of my own particular open bridge stroking under power. But I do greatly admire the young champions who can so fluidly, accurately, and unhesitatingly do so, as is certainly the case with Jayson and most of the European Straight Pool players and plenty of others here and abroad.

Joe Balsis was always fearless with these shots and performed them without hesitation when the need arose. He power-stroked a rarely seen one that got a standing ovation at the historic 1966 Burbank tournament I attended which incidentally turned out to be Mosconi’s last formal competition – the so-called “Invitational Pocket Billiards Championship” eventually won by Balsis, and featuring a 16-man field of virtually every contemporary top-flight 14.1 player.

Most in the audience were L.A.-area Straight Pool nuts like myself (I’d been playing and avidly learning the nuances of it for 14 years at the time), but there were also plenty of out-of-state spectators and naturally plenty of side bets on most matches as well.

I was working the graveyard shift at nearby Lockheed and got to see most of the afternoon and evening sessions of this round-robin event held in the modified premises of a defunct supermarket. My home room was Red Baker’s place in North Hollywood, about 10 minutes away from the site and it was filled daily with players visiting Red, (a respected pro who was also entered in the tournament itself) and practicing there.

Anyway, the hop shot that dazzled the crowd was a break shot that Joe had unfortunately missed his shape on. Just about anyone in the bleachers (and including the ref who I believe was the somewhat-shady promoter, Arnie Satin, a guy who most of the players – particularly Willie – totally detested) could see was absolutely dead-straight-in. Zero angle.

Balsis’s opponent was one of the younger, twenty-ish invitees – I don’t recall exactly who it was – either Ervolino or Mizerak, I think. In any case, as Joe was chalking up and making a decision about the shot, the ref announced (as is the 14.1 convention) the designated upcoming shot he presumed as “Safety” which normally would have been 100% accurate and appropriate.

Balsis, a powerfully built, but generally polite man, stared at the shot and somewhat un-characteristically, but fired up in the moment, said to the ref: “Shut up and learn something!” Joe corrected the designation. “Five in the corner!”

It appeared that Joe was rehearsal-stroking on the CB’s horizontal center with a slightly elevated cue and what appeared from the ad hoc bleachers to be a bit of right English. And he was aiming as if he wanted to cut the OB to the right-hand side of the pocket.

He slammed that five-ball dead-center into the pocket and the CB bounced high into the side of the pack then climbed . . . it looked like about four inches . . . . into the air, landing square in the middle of the pack, spreading it, as they say now, like butter.

I’ve never seen anyone before or since do to a straight-in what Balsis did that day. He ran out the match behind that one. We all agreed that the right english and a kind of wristy swipe not only threw the OB a bit to the left, instead of actually cutting it to the right, more relevantly: it allowed him to create a bit of angle for the CB/OB impact, thus enabling the resulting stun/climb action.

Sadly, Arnie (the promoter) would kick out anyone who came in with a movie camera unless they agreed to a contract he'd mimeographed-off granting him 100% rights to commercialize any footage they captured. No one agreed to sign, so their cameras had to be returned to their vehicles. He did allow a few professional media publicity shots on some days which showed nothing about the actual matches, unfortunately.

Arnaldo
 
Agree completely about unreserved gratitude for what the guys do for the DCC's 14.1 promotion and dedicated enactment each year.

I’ve done this hopping break a number of times myself over the years, (but always on someone else’s cloth that already had divot marks on it) and always with a closed bridge when possible, because I could never trust the reliability of my own particular open bridge stroking under power. But I do greatly admire the young champions who can so fluidly, accurately, and unhesitatingly do so, as is certainly the case with Jayson and most of the European Straight Pool players and plenty of others here and abroad.

Joe Balsis was always fearless with these shots and performed them without hesitation when the need arose. He power-stroked a rarely seen one that got a standing ovation at the historic 1966 Burbank tournament I attended which incidentally turned out to be Mosconi’s last formal competition – the so-called “Invitational Pocket Billiards Championship” eventually won by Balsis, and featuring a 16-man field of virtually every contemporary top-flight 14.1 player.

Most in the audience were L.A.-area Straight Pool nuts like myself (I’d been playing and avidly learning the nuances of it for 14 years at the time), but there were also plenty of out-of-state spectators and naturally plenty of side bets on most matches as well.

I was working the graveyard shift at nearby Lockheed and got to see most of the afternoon and evening sessions of this round-robin event held in the modified premises of a defunct supermarket. My home room was Red Baker’s place in North Hollywood, about 10 minutes away from the site and it was filled daily with players visiting Red, (a respected pro who was also entered in the tournament itself) and practicing there.

Anyway, the hop shot that dazzled the crowd was a break shot that Joe had unfortunately missed his shape on. Just about anyone in the bleachers (and including the ref who I believe was the somewhat-shady promoter, Arnie Satin, a guy who most of the players – particularly Willie – totally detested) could see was absolutely dead-straight-in. Zero angle.

Balsis’s opponent was one of the younger, twenty-ish invitees – I don’t recall exactly who it was – either Ervolino or Mizerak, I think. In any case, as Joe was chalking up and making a decision about the shot, the ref announced (as is the 14.1 convention) the designated upcoming shot he presumed as “Safety” which normally would have been 100% accurate and appropriate.

Balsis, a powerfully built, but generally polite man, stared at the shot and somewhat un-characteristically, but fired up in the moment, said to the ref: “Shut up and learn something!” Joe corrected the designation. “Five in the corner!”

It appeared that Joe was rehearsal-stroking on the CB’s horizontal center with a slightly elevated cue and what appeared from the ad hoc bleachers to be a bit of right English. And he was aiming as if he wanted to cut the OB to the right-hand side of the pocket.

He slammed that five-ball dead-center into the pocket and the CB bounced high into the side of the pack then climbed . . . it looked like about four inches . . . . into the air, landing square in the middle of the pack, spreading it, as they say now, like butter.

I’ve never seen anyone before or since do to a straight-in what Balsis did that day. He ran out the match behind that one. We all agreed that the right english and a kind of wristy swipe not only threw the OB a bit to the left, instead of actually cutting it to the right, more relevantly: it allowed him to create a bit of angle for the CB/OB impact, thus enabling the resulting stun/climb action.

Sadly, Arnie (the promoter) would kick out anyone who came in with a movie camera unless they agreed to a contract he'd mimeographed-off granting him 100% rights to commercialize any footage they captured. No one agreed to sign, so their cameras had to be returned to their vehicles. He did allow a few professional media publicity shots on some days which showed nothing about the actual matches, unfortunately.

Arnaldo

Nice bit of history, Arnaldo. Obviously, you have been following the game for quite some time. Are you still in the Los Angeles area, and do you still play?
 
I really like Jason's shot and have used it before (obviously not with as good of stroke as his...), but this makes me wonder what degree of elevation would give you the maximum effect for this type of shot?
 
I really like Jason's shot and have used it before (obviously not with as good of stroke as his...), but this makes me wonder what degree of elevation would give you the maximum effect for this type of shot?

It depends on the distance to the OB, the cloth and the table, the fullness of the shot and where you want to hop to, and especially the speed of the shot. I think 5 minutes of practice will let you know for one set of conditions.
 
I guess I was thinking something along the lines of what Jason was shooting or maybe even less of a cut angle. I was thinking maybe around 2-10 degrees, give or take a couple and assuming fair conditions? I know I've had to shoot a shot similar to this a few times where I have pretty much no angle and am just cheating the pocket hoping to get 1 or 2 balls out of the stack....

It depends on the distance to the OB, the cloth and the table, the fullness of the shot and where you want to hop to, and especially the speed of the shot. I think 5 minutes of practice will let you know for one set of conditions.
 
The more I think about it, the shot I'm describing hops into more of the edge of the pack and isn't quite as airborn as Shaw's is. Regardless, I may want to try this shot at even a hair more angle like Shaw's to try to get a couple more balls out. Thanks for your input!

It depends on the distance to the OB, the cloth and the table, the fullness of the shot and where you want to hop to, and especially the speed of the shot. I think 5 minutes of practice will let you know for one set of conditions.
 
Nice bit of history, Arnaldo. Obviously, you have been following the game for quite some time. Are you still in the Los Angeles area, and do you still play?
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Been playing Straight Pool since 1952 (originally in NYC), still do a couple times a week and have also zealously enjoyed spectating dozens of the major national and world championships over the years. I finished high in a couple Northeast state championships, but after a time, I was always the oldest guy in the tournament.

In those early 1950s I learned by watching and playing men who a decade and a half prior to that were feeding their families in the tough NYC Depression years by gambling on their pool skills. They wouldn't tell you much about the game -- you had to play them for a few coins per match. They'd make you what they called a good game for you: you only had to reach 15 points -- they had to reach 60. But you're 16 years-old, just learning to play, and you miss after every third ball. Every time you missed, they'd run about 25 to 30 balls then play a lockup safety. They had your money before you knew what happened. But us young guys knew that that was simply the price of "lessons" from good players. We'd walk about a mile to the poolroom to save a nickel or dime bus fare so we could play longer. The older players would eventually loosen up when they saw how serious you were about the game and would give you a few tips and tweak your fundamentals and pass on strategy snippets from time to time.

I'm still in the southwest, Dennis, (originally from NYC) but left the L.A. area when the smog started getting really bad, the freeways overcrowded, and they started shooting each other on those freeways.

All that said about L.A. however, if you just arrived from say, Buffalo, sometime during a recent winter, L.A. does feel and look like paradise; and there are in fact, millions of really nice folks living there and tons of top players living there year-round or "traveling through."

Arnaldo
 
I don't know about anybody else but I know why the cueball jumps when I'm using force follow - I'm not hitting it with a level stroke. Credit to a former member of this website hemicudas for that info.

In this case I'm not sure if Shaw was trying to jump the cue ball but it worked out.
 
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