Jayson Shaw live High Run Attempts

Fatboy

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That combo didn't look easy to me. If someone was shooting that combo in 9-ball, shooting the 9, there's absolutely no way I give them that shot. I think it was a combo I might make 80% of the time. I'm in the camp that he should not have shot it, he had an easier cut shot into the other bottom pocket (5 ball).

Here it is, I believe it's the 8 - 13 right in front of the counters.
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That’s a tricky shot, for most people.

For Jayson I think it was a lapse in concentration and pressure. He was talking a bit. The mics were hot and I had the volume the whole way up. Which was very very cool. Listening to Jayson and Bobby and the background noise was great. No commentary, organic real pool.

I hope they don’t voice over or edit what I heard. Keep it 100% real as it happened and all of Jayson’s colorful language 😂😂. And the food talk🥪🥪
 

Badpenguin

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Yeahhh.. I dunno about that. This sounds like someone making a claim, without talking to, or hearing from, the people with the video.

Did you hear this directly from "The Legends of Pocket Billiards" channel?

I think it is much more likely that the video was taken down for editing, to split out the individual run.
Technically, there is no reason to take it private on youtube. They could download copies all day long and leave it out there for no cost. The only reason would be to save it for DVD sales, just like they did last time.
 

wrldpro

H.RUN 311/Diamond W.R.
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That’s a tricky shot, for most people.

For Jayson I think it was a lapse in concentration and pressure. He was talking a bit. The mics were hot and I had the volume the whole way up. Which was very very cool. Listening to Jayson and Bobby and the background noise was great. No commentary, organic real pool.

I hope they don’t voice over or edit what I heard. Keep it 100% real as it happened and all of Jayson’s colorful language 😂😂. And the food talk🥪🥪
Hey Pal. Good chatting with you and I’ll call you soon. We got a lot going on right now. The video is no longer on YouTube or the legends of pocket billiards Facebook page.
We verified the ball count at 832 and now we are gonna go ball by ball to look at any possible fouls. I believe the run is 100% super clean. This was an amazing thing to view for everyone I’m sure and for me personally I am in shock but not surprised.
Jayson will be returning real soon to go at it again. He wanted to come next week after the Turning Stone and after we discussed it is best for him to be rested for the Derby City events.
No need to speculate anything by anyone as me and you spoke about. We have not made any decisions as of now about the video but when we do then we will let everyone know the details. Thanks to everyone and especially to you Fatboy for all the kind words and great advice. Talk to you soon.
 

sneakynito

AzB Silver Member
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Technically, there is no reason to take it private on youtube. They could download copies all day long and leave it out there for no cost. The only reason would be to save it for DVD sales, just like they did last time.
I hope that's not the plan. I'll say right now I'm not buying another video until someone breaks a thousand. Not looking to acquire a Jayson Shaw box set.
 

jasonlaus

Rep for Smorg
Silver Member
Hey Pal. Good chatting with you and I’ll call you soon. We got a lot going on right now. The video is no longer on YouTube or the legends of pocket billiards Facebook page.
We verified the ball count at 832 and now we are gonna go ball by ball to look at any possible fouls. I believe the run is 100% super clean. This was an amazing thing to view for everyone I’m sure and for me personally I am in shock but not surprised.
Jayson will be returning real soon to go at it again. He wanted to come next week after the Turning Stone and after we discussed it is best for him to be rested for the Derby City events.
No need to speculate anything by anyone as me and you spoke about. We have not made any decisions as of now about the video but when we do then we will let everyone know the details. Thanks to everyone and especially to you Fatboy for all the kind words and great advice. Talk to you soon.
Are you coming to TS? I'll be there starting tomorrow night, backing a guy at Brick house earlier in the day and then I'll be there(TS) for the weekend
 

Fatboy

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Hey Pal. Good chatting with you and I’ll call you soon. We got a lot going on right now. The video is no longer on YouTube or the legends of pocket billiards Facebook page.
We verified the ball count at 832 and now we are gonna go ball by ball to look at any possible fouls. I believe the run is 100% super clean. This was an amazing thing to view for everyone I’m sure and for me personally I am in shock but not surprised.
Jayson will be returning real soon to go at it again. He wanted to come next week after the Turning Stone and after we discussed it is best for him to be rested for the Derby City events.
No need to speculate anything by anyone as me and you spoke about. We have not made any decisions as of now about the video but when we do then we will let everyone know the details. Thanks to everyone and especially to you Fatboy for all the kind words and great advice. Talk to you soon.
Pleasure was all mine👍💪🫡

Anything I can do anytime please find me!

Best
Fatboy 😃😃
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
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That combo didn't look easy to me. If someone was shooting that combo in 9-ball, shooting the 9, there's absolutely no way I give them that shot. I think it was a combo I might make 80% of the time. I'm in the camp that he should not have shot it, he had an easier cut shot into the other bottom pocket (5 ball).

Here it is, I believe it's the 8 - 13 right in front of the counters.
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he makes that combo all day. probably thought too much on cb breaking up the cluster. when do you break up the cluster after the 5? 5, 13, 4, 8 - break up?
 

Sheldon

dontneednostinkintitle
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I have to believe a lot of time and energy and money goes into these attempts.
Be happy if you were one of the few to watch it live. (For free.)
Be happy to support the effort (with a small donation) to watch it again when it's available. 🤷‍♂️
 

fjk

AzB Silver Member
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he makes that combo all day. probably thought too much on cb breaking up the cluster. when do you break up the cluster after the 5? 5, 13, 4, 8 - break up?
I'm not sure that cluster (2&6) needed to be broke up. We can't tell from this angle, but to me, it looks like that 2&6 goes in either corner. Granted, nudging them apart would make them less tricky, I'm just not sure if doing so would justify shooting that combo. He also had the 3 straight in the side as another option. I'm willing to bet a beer Jason would admit that shot wasn't a good choice. Of course, it's hard to make the very best choice every single time after running 800 or so balls (that just sounds crazy...800 freaking balls!).
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skogstokig

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I'm not sure that cluster (2&6) needed to be broke up. We can't tell from this angle, but to me, it looks like that 2&6 goes in either corner. Granted, nudging them apart would make them less tricky, I'm just not sure if doing so would justify shooting that combo. He also had the 3 straight in the side as another option. I'm willing to bet a beer Jason would admit that shot wasn't a good choice. Of course, it's hard to make the very best choice every single time after running 800 or so balls (that just sounds crazy...800 freaking balls!).
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the 3-ball in the side, hampered by the cluster, may not be that enticing. i was thinking at the time that the 2/6 ball could go clean, but the video angle is inconclusive. assuming it doesn't, how do you break it up?
 

fjk

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the 3-ball in the side, hampered by the cluster, may not be that enticing. i was thinking at the time that the 2/6 ball could go clean, but the video angle is inconclusive. assuming it doesn't, how do you break it up?
I gotcha ya, if the 2/6 doesn't go, those are problems. Even shooting the 3 in the side (I don't think he needs to shoot over the 2/6) and using the 5 to break up that cluster, he could still be caught not getting a good shot after.
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fjk

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the 3-ball in the side, hampered by the cluster, may not be that enticing. i was thinking at the time that the 2/6 ball could go clean, but the video angle is inconclusive. assuming it doesn't, how do you break it up?
Here's the other problem with playing that combo to break that 2/6, assuming that 8 fell, what's his next shot? I understand if the 8 fell the cue wouldn't be in that exact spot, but it could have been even worse as easily as it could have been better.

Shooting that 3 in the side jacked up over the 2 sucks. Shooting the 5 up table is a tough shot...plus you have the 6 to contend with.

In the old days when good patterns were preferred over good shot making, the rule-of-thumb was don't break up clusters and risk a bad roll of not getting a shot if you could work the cue around to picking clusters apart.
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straightline

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I'm not sure that cluster (2&6) needed to be broke up. We can't tell from this angle, but to me, it looks like that 2&6 goes in either corner. Granted, nudging them apart would make them less tricky, I'm just not sure if doing so would justify shooting that combo. He also had the 3 straight in the side as another option. I'm willing to bet a beer Jason would admit that shot wasn't a good choice. Of course, it's hard to make the very best choice every single time after running 800 or so balls (that just sounds crazy...800 freaking balls!).
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Just his version of a meltdown; unconscious pool wisdom too.
 

jay helfert

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I'm not sure that cluster (2&6) needed to be broke up. We can't tell from this angle, but to me, it looks like that 2&6 goes in either corner. Granted, nudging them apart would make them less tricky, I'm just not sure if doing so would justify shooting that combo. He also had the 3 straight in the side as another option. I'm willing to bet a beer Jason would admit that shot wasn't a good choice. Of course, it's hard to make the very best choice every single time after running 800 or so balls (that just sounds crazy...800 freaking balls!).
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Definitely a lapse in concentration. The five ball is a hanger and he can get the rack from there, with everything open. That combo is a tricky one, must be hit perf.
 

skogstokig

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Here's the other problem with playing that combo to break that 2/6, assuming that 8 fell, what's his next shot? I understand if the 8 fell the cue wouldn't be in that exact spot, but it could have been even worse as easily as it could have been better.

Shooting that 3 in the side jacked up over the 2 sucks. Shooting the 5 up table is a tough shot...plus you have the 6 to contend with.

In the old days when good patterns were preferred over good shot making, the rule-of-thumb was don't break up clusters and risk a bad roll of not getting a shot if you could work the cue around to picking clusters apart.
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if the 4 is as easy as you suggest, and the angle after for the 5 can break up the cluster, then i like your shot better than the combo. especially if he can hit the 6 in the break up
 

Tin Man

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I think in watching Jayson it is clear he wasn't worried about making optimally correct choices.

There is a balancing act between caution and aggression, between strategy and execution. It is clear with this attempt that he believed the key to big runs was to maximize his execution. He did this by putting very little conscious thought or effort into most shots, he played with a breathtakingly quick pace, and he prioritized confidence and rhythm. I would say that his record results have provided strong evidence this is the right approach for a high run attempt, for him if not for everyone.

So when we look back through the run we can all find many examples of decisions that seem ill advised. What we can't lose sight of, however, is the 832 shots he successfully pocketed, some of which he might not have made had he been more deliberate along the way. It reminds me of players watching bullet (60 second time controls) chess and making notes in the comments about how a checkmate was missed when both players were racing along with just seconds on the clock.

In short, the ultimate yardstick of good pool is the results and his results speak for themself. We can look at individual shot selections, moments where he used poor technique, balls that wobbled and didn't strike the center of the pocket, and shots that required him to get a bit fortunate for him to come away unscathed. All true and unavoidable in any long run. In the end, though, the best thing we can do is applaud a new world record and take some notes for our own game.
 

fjk

AzB Silver Member
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I think in watching Jayson it is clear he wasn't worried about making optimally correct choices.

There is a balancing act between caution and aggression, between strategy and execution. It is clear with this attempt that he believed the key to big runs was to maximize his execution. He did this by putting very little conscious thought or effort into most shots, he played with a breathtakingly quick pace, and he prioritized confidence and rhythm. I would say that his record results have provided strong evidence this is the right approach for a high run attempt, for him if not for everyone.

So when we look back through the run we can all find many examples of decisions that seem ill advised. What we can't lose sight of, however, is the 832 shots he successfully pocketed, some of which he might not have made had he been more deliberate along the way. It reminds me of players watching bullet (60 second time controls) chess and making notes in the comments about how a checkmate was missed when both players were racing along with just seconds on the clock.

In short, the ultimate yardstick of good pool is the results and his results speak for themself. We can look at individual shot selections, moments where he used poor technique, balls that wobbled and didn't strike the center of the pocket, and shots that required him to get a bit fortunate for him to come away unscathed. All true and unavoidable in any long run. In the end, though, the best thing we can do is applaud a new world record and take some notes for our own game.
This is a pool forum. We can be in awe and critique at the same time 😉

Also, while I agree that shooting fast and staying in a rhythm has its advantages, so does playing slower, methodically and shooting smart patterns. What works well for Jason Shaw may not be the best choice for another superstar.
 
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