Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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Says the clown.
Can you provide a link to that rule? I can only find this page.
The general rules and 14.1 rules on that page don’t number to 21. And they seem to make me think all ball fouls are their official rules.
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There's high runs, and then there's record high runs. I think record high runs should start the same way, so there's no question about whether that matters. I doubt that it really matters, especially to a record high run, but it's one more thing to argue about - and it's inelegant.
pj <- not that pool players care about such trivialities
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I’m just not finding anything in BCA site about cueball fouls only. I only see links to the world standardized rules. And with BCA being a member of WPA, of course they would be expected to adopt world standardized rules. I don’t think there’s a BCA version of cueball fouls only.
The BCA adopted the WPA rules. The WPA's general "Touched Ball" foul is for fouls on all balls. But the WPA's (and, therefore, the BCA's) "Rule Regulations" permit (not require) the use of "cue ball fouls only" when a match has no referee.
21. CUE BALL FOULS ONLY
If there is no referee presiding over a match, it may be played using cue ball fouls only. That is, touching or moving any ball other than the cue ball would not be a foul unless it changes the outcome of the shot by either touching another ball or having any ball, including the cue ball, going through the area originally occupied by the moved ball. If this does not happen, then the opposing player must be given the option of either leaving the ball where it lies or replacing the ball as near as possible to its original position to the agreement of both players. If a player shoots without giving his opponent the option to replace, it will be a foul resulting in cue ball in hand for the opponent.
FOUL!
According to his autobiography, Mosconi's high run prior to his 526 was 365. It was in a match in North Carolina in, apparently, 1953. Willie had the opening break. He called the apex ball in the left side, made it, and continued to 365.
So when the BCA publishes its "guideline document that will establish parameters and standards for future exhibition 14.1 high run record attempts," I hope they don't do something that would disallow starting with 15 racked balls instead of 14.
If that is how he racked the balls on his high run, that makes it totally bogus imo.
Jay - this particular shot was yesterday.
All of this is one of the reasons we use a template.
There are players that, purposely or not, have shown a repeated tendency to rack balls high, low, and twisted to one side or another, often to their advantage.
We wanted none of that going on during our event.
Lou Figueroa
Gotcha. So the WPA version of that would be this document which is the same.
Rule Regulations - WPA Pool
(Effective 15/3/16) – Click here to download 1. Administrative Discretion 2. Exceptions to the Rules 3. Dress Code 3.1 Men 3.2 Women 4. Ball Rack Template 4.1 Positioning of the Ball Rack Template 4.2 Removing of the Ball Rack Template 4.3 Specification for Ball Rack Template 5. Playing with an...
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I forget whether yours was the Perma-Rack or something else that is similar. Schmidt is using the Perma-Rack. Obviously, the balls were positioned a bit north of the doughnut holes for that break.
Still a bad sign imo. That would indicate a prediliction for favoring himself while racking the balls. And that's not kosher.
IMO, now any observer (BCA or otherwise) of his record high run should now observe carefully how the balls were racked in each and every rack!
Still a bad sign imo. That would indicate a prediliction for favoring himself while racking the balls. And that's not kosher.
IMO, now any observer (BCA or otherwise) of his record high run should now observe carefully how the balls were racked in each and every rack!
Jay,
I could possibly see cutting some balls off of the end of a run but I can't consider arbitrarily deciding where to start a run count. BCA has shown
themselves to be unqualified to review these runs. Next time they can just decide not to count the shots that foul or don't go in a pocket.
Mosconi's record stands!
Hu
I'm pretty sure I already said that I now realise the convention for high run attempts is a continuous rack break rather than an opening rack break.
This is the kind of thing that needs to be agreed upon for "ratification" purposes. Either way (start from a continuous rack break or start mid run) could be the decision - but from a logical point of view, and for the sake of the purity of the game, my preference is the former as the latter gives free balls at the start of the run. It's maybe a moot point but if the game is going to establish "rules" for a "high run attempt" then those rules need to have some internal logic and coherence.
On another note, those who think cue ball fouls only is acceptable contribute to pool being laughed at.
You don’t get ‘free balls’. You don’t keep any points for them. As I said above, if anything, starting towards the end of a rack deprives yourself of x number of balls that were free for the picking after a ball in hand break shot.
Agree, re cue ball fouls only; it’s bar bullshit. Imagine a televised event: Sorry, bro! My left nipple just rubbed the 9 ball! You want me to move it back to where I think it was? I’ll have to do that based on how my nipple felt ‘cos I didn’t actually see it happen. Or you want me to keep playing where they are?