I’ve often thought about which is more difficult, starting mid run or with a break shot. I think for me, mid rack is technically harder because, as you mention, every milestone is one additional break shot away. For these guys, I don’t think it matters at all because they are running such big numbers. Also, opening break is usually so ideal they could have barely placed the balls better by hand. I really think the whole mid rack vs opening break shot thing is splitting hairs.
Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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I don't get this. Wouldn't starting a run mid-rack mean you get those first balls "free" (without a break)?
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The whole first rack is essentially "free". Most runs stop at a break shot, so by starting mid-rack you basically just lower the total you eventually run by the number of balls that were missing from rack one.
Yes he called a foul on Earl for making the ball he was clearly trying to pocket- a real stickler indeed.
If you watch the previous sequence of events the man who was racking cleaned the cue ball and then John stopped mid rack to clean it again because "a string or something" was on the cue ball". I don't think he got that "string or something" off the ball when he tried to clean it and that's what caused the weird spin.
If you spend time finding a break shot and speed you like, you can get a perfect starting spread on most attempts.
This is dumb. Should John have claimed 100 world records? 527, 528, 529, 530, etc?
As @Cameron Smith said, you’re opening break is placed by hand. You’re basically just doing whatever you want with the pack. It really doesn’t matter in the larger scheme of things, to the point where I feel silly even talking about it. However, would you prefer to pot a 9 ball with ball in hand or by playing position on it? And that’s not even an adequate comparison for getting on your break ball in a natural manner. Playing position for a single pot is much easier than a break ball sequence.
So, imo, it’s the opposite; a ball in hand break shot is getting the first 10 balls for free.
How many ways and times do Jayson, Bobby and Lou have to demonstrate that the 714 was performed under a pre-announced and BCA-acceptable governing rule of CB fouls only? The BCA can't legally, morally and logically retro-govern against a mixed-agreement, debatable OB-touching.
Ultimately it matters not in the least to me where the BCA wants to end up on Jayson's performance and achievement.
I feel enriched to own a DVD -- handled personally by Bobby and Jason -- that features a supremely honest and dedicated player mesmerizingly and instructively pocketing 714 balls without a miss -- enabled by uncannily skillful position play, rare endurance and flawless navigational judgments during 51 of the most beautiful, near-relaxed Straight Pool . . . the purest I've ever witnessed post-Mosconi.
I could cite beautifully and masterfully run racks I've seen in person by Sigel, Mizerak, and Souquet, but the smooth flow of 51 continuous racks of such sustained world-class excellence achieved with such uncommon ease and elegance surely -- by sheer volume -- stands apart from all that I've previously seen.
Before too long, my great-grandson will inherit this treasured DVD I'm loving after three beginning-to-end viewings. He'll be taking it into the twenty-second century and passing it onto his own great-grandchildren, along with the note I've firmly attached to it, saying:
"This is how beautiful our beloved sport can be. I know you'll have a lifetime of pleasure playing it, just as I have."
Arnaldo ~ Profound thanks to Jayson, Bobby and Lou for the undeniable additional pleasure your DVD has given to me -- and will for those in my future generations.
Ultimately it matters not in the least to me where the BCA wants to end up on Jayson's performance and achievement.
I feel enriched to own a DVD -- handled personally by Bobby and Jason -- that features a supremely honest and dedicated player mesmerizingly and instructively pocketing 714 balls without a miss -- enabled by uncannily skillful position play, rare endurance and flawless navigational judgments during 51 of the most beautiful, near-relaxed Straight Pool . . . the purest I've ever witnessed post-Mosconi.
I could cite beautifully and masterfully run racks I've seen in person by Sigel, Mizerak, and Souquet, but the smooth flow of 51 continuous racks of such sustained world-class excellence achieved with such uncommon ease and elegance surely -- by sheer volume -- stands apart from all that I've previously seen.
Before too long, my great-grandson will inherit this treasured DVD I'm loving after three beginning-to-end viewings. He'll be taking it into the twenty-second century and passing it onto his own great-grandchildren, along with the note I've firmly attached to it, saying:
"This is how beautiful our beloved sport can be. I know you'll have a lifetime of pleasure playing it, just as I have."
Arnaldo ~ Profound thanks to Jayson, Bobby and Lou for the undeniable additional pleasure your DVD has given to me -- and will for those in my future generations.
Relax.
1. He’s being a little tongue in cheek.
2. He’s saying he has a world record for all ball fouls, and one for cue ball fouls only; not that he legitimately believes he can claim two world records.
Also, the most surprising thing for me in that video was John S racking the balls like this to get a clean shot on his break ball :
I hear ya, just being cheeky myself. I’m in a funny mood today. I think I’ll try to ignore every thread about high runs from now on. It’s the same people getting worked up about the same things, and most of them realize that none of it even matters.
LOL. I like the parts about really nailing down the rules. A high run competition is a funny thought. Would you lag for the first chance to have a BIH break? Or would you start out with a traditional safety break. Would you allow mid rack safeties? Does your opponent pick up from your layout once you miss or fully reset to the BIH break for the other guy?
I haven’t read through all these posts, but where people believe a high run attempt (which isn’t in the rule book) should always start at a break shot… people have been starting run mid-rack for as long as anyone has been practicing 14.1. Hell, John Schmidt this week started mid-rack a half dozen times, and had several counts over 200. I can’t believe people think this is a big deal. I would think if anyone knows the unwritten rules of an exhibition high run, it would be John.
How many people here have actually sat and practiced 14.1 and always start a new run at the break shot? That would just be silly for most of us. Surely to goodness all you 14.1 players have missed mid rack during a practice session and then just continued. If you’re in a match, and you have a high run, it started in the middle of a rack.
How many people here have actually sat and practiced 14.1 and always start a new run at the break shot? That would just be silly for most of us. Surely to goodness all you 14.1 players have missed mid rack during a practice session and then just continued. If you’re in a match, and you have a high run, it started in the middle of a rack.
I’d support that.
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"The Billiard Congress of America is currently in the process of producing a guideline document that will establish parameters and standards for future exhibition 14.1 high run record attempts. For more information about this guideline document please contact the Billiard Congress of America. "
Jayson Shaw Achieves Record Straight Pool High Run - News - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The Billiard Congress of America would like to formally congratulate Jayson Shaw on his 14.1 exhibition high run of 669 balls, breaking John Schmidt’s record of 626 balls. On January 18, 2022 Jayson Shaw after 5 days and 122 attempts in which Shaw produced high runs of 380, 397, 407 and 714 set twww.azbilliards.com
This is the best bit.
No more arguments about table specs for anyone doing future exhibition record attempts.
Imagine no more mega threads from Lou or RKC..
Now, if/when Pool finally settles on a Professional table spec we can begin to set official professional records as well just like Snooker. 4" pocket for the win, fingers crossed...
5 ball color, ha ha.. Sorry Fatboy.
Point is, if pool finally gets this part right with specs then things will be more stable for the players and tournament organisers.. Why WPA has never bothered is a joke, like Snooker, looks like Matchroom will get it done for pool as well.
Please return to the bottom of whatever rock you've been living under lately -- no one has missed your sterling personality.
Lou Figueroa