But haven’t some members of your camp tried to invalidate some of John’s runs for object ball fouls?
Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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To clarify, if not playing by cue ball foul only rules, an object ball (or cue ball) contacted in any manner with the body or clothing does not have rock or move for it to be a foul.
John S on his live stream 5 minutes after the news broke of 714/669 showed a lot of class. He said he's going for 714, not 669.
We can’t try to invalidate diddly-do-da because there’s never been any tape available for close review.
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They have tried to invalidate John's run using plenty of unethical tactics.
Even during the event Bobby held they refused to ever state clearly that John had the official world record.
It was sick gaslighting in my opinion. To me Bobby should be barred from ever getting any certification for anything that comes from any event he promotes.
He is lucky that the bca even allowed the 669 when his own rules stated that runs have to start with a break shot
John Schmidt graciously said that he considers 714 the number to beat.
In my opinion if Jayson's touching of the ball didn't result in any ball movement then the run is still 714 but cannot be certified as the official record based on the general rules of pocket billiards.
Precedent has been established that high run attempts in high run events start from the break. All of the high runs in those events started from a break shot.
Another poster made a really good point about starting in the middle of a rack. Essentially a player could take a miss but just opening a problem cluster , or just set up a Cosmo pattern and start from there essentially giving themselves all the open balls while avoiding the risk of an unfavorable layout after the break.
It makes the most sense to agree that high run attempts start with the break. And in the interest of reducing controversy it should be all ball fouls rather than having an argument about whether a touched ball moved or not.
That seems to be the cleanest way to do it imo.
Starting mid-rack vs BIH break, there has never been an "official" rule about that because there has never been an "official" ruleset for high-run attempts, only match play.
On AZB, we've had a straight pool high-run challenge for 17 or 18 years now. Its been stated on that since the beginning, runs count whether from a full rack, partial rack, solo practice, or match play.
When Marop used to have his camera running and had Corey, John S, and maybe a few others (I can't remember) over his house playing on his Metro, I think there were many instances players would miss and just keep going.
In my home pool room in PA, I'd watch the owner practice (who had a high of 315 range), and he wouldn't always re-rack.
The whole point is there never has been a "published from a ruling body" ruleset for attempts. And in practice the past 30 plus years at least, all methods have been used.
On AZB, we've had a straight pool high-run challenge for 17 or 18 years now. Its been stated on that since the beginning, runs count whether from a full rack, partial rack, solo practice, or match play.
When Marop used to have his camera running and had Corey, John S, and maybe a few others (I can't remember) over his house playing on his Metro, I think there were many instances players would miss and just keep going.
In my home pool room in PA, I'd watch the owner practice (who had a high of 315 range), and he wouldn't always re-rack.
The whole point is there never has been a "published from a ruling body" ruleset for attempts. And in practice the past 30 plus years at least, all methods have been used.
My exact thoughts when BC mentioned yesterday he ran a 282 and stopped his run to answer the many many texts and messages he was getting.
After reading the thread I think that it should be that all attempts in events set up for the purpose of trying to set records should begin with a break shot.
While a run started in the middle of a rack is still a valid run it doesn't meet the modern precedent that has been established for this types of record setting attempts.
Going back a decade or more since these high run events started at the super Billiards expo and the derby City classic the attempts were always started with a break shot. So I think that established the format.
Now, the bca has decided to allow Jayson's run off 669 to stand as the official record. In the future we should all agree that high run attempts should start with a break shot and be all ball fouls. That's the cleanest possible way to avoid much of the controversy imo.
Lol, you all have cast aspersions constantly despite the fact that there is video that has been reviewed by the bca and other well respected and knowledgeable people in this sport. You have essentially dismissed all of the first-person testimony on this subject and implied that their statements attesting to the validity of John's run is not conclusive.
You all whined about the run being only available through paid admission to John's shows and yet you immediately made Jayson's run only viewable if one pays for it.
So try harder Mr. Public Relations Officer (propaganda shoveler imo). This bit of bs stinks as much as the rest of the steaming piles you drop.
Lol what??
I don’t even…
15 balls racked. Okay.
Warm up shots. God forbid.
Starting again when you miss. Every player in the world only gets one chance. Instant death on miss. Hardcore survival straight pool.
Question - was the original video edited?
Strange post. Say "lol what?" and then appear to agree 100%. I could be missing something, please clarify.
John Schmidt 434 Straight Pool High Run. It's the attempt that ended with the crazy swerving cue ball that famously made its way into the corner pocket, so anyone who hasn't seen that should also take a look at the end of the video. Subsequently, Dr. Dave tried to duplicate the curved path of the cue ball with no success.
As JS sets up to shoot the 8-ball, watch the 7-ball:
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Just curious, if you’re starting your run with all 15 balls racked, which ball are you calling in which pocket as your opening break shot? Could you teach it to me?
No practice run starts with 15 balls racked.
Being critical of warm up shots doesn’t make any sense. People who practice straight pool play run after run. Should I discard all my high runs because they weren’t played cold?
Of course people restart. Should there be a limit of one run per 24 hours? Jeez, if DA was pissed at having to take a drug test, imagine how pissed he’d be with someone from the BCA following him every second of the day for a week. “Oi!!! Put that cue down!!! No restarting! No warm up shots!”
I can’t be bothered looking at your post history, but it sounds like you’re new to the world of 14.1 and haven’t followed these high run attempts.
You understand that John S pursued the 526 for months? And that Jason S played for 12 hours a day for a week for his 714 or wherever it’s become?
Also, anyone who has a hundred plus balls will tell you that the first rack is really not the problem. Of course, you have to pot the balls, but the first 14 balls really isn’t an issue. If anything, starting mid way through a rack only adds more break shots to your run, which is still insignificant in the larger context. Silliness.