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Well, as of January 5th 2013 you are supporting 3 Americans directly when you buy a JB Case :-) Johnny, Jessie and Katrina. In addition you are supporting Katrina's mother Karen and her mother.

You are indirectly supporting several American dealers and the people who work in the ports and brokerage houses and delivery drivers as well as any salespeople, warehouse staff, etc.... in the USA.

And you are indeed supporting about 15 other humans who aren't American and their families.

Because of our efforts thousands of customers each year can purchase low priced cases with great protection, saving them money which they then can spend as they need and want to on other things. Hundreds of people can get the case of their dreams from our shop in TRUE custom fashion with almost no compromise for less than our major competitors charge again saving them money which they can use as they wish to.

As Ben Franklin put it, a penny saved is a penny earned so if we take the difference in price between our cases and the much higher priced competition we are helping our customers in America, who are likely mostly American, to earn tens of thousands of dollars.
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Well that explains a lot.
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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You're an idiot. Plain and simple. The wise man you're speaking of, I guarantee was not using that statement in the context you're trying to use it in.

So, you're an idiot or you decided to start drinking at 7am..... Which makes you an idiot also.
 
junk brand lol My friend has a jb tribute and I've put it next to my justis case and there every bit as good. the quality is equal in both. I just liked the interior better in the jb so I swapped it out. Honestly if jb would have been a the expo this year I'm not sure I would have a justis as I feel I really just paid extra for a name.


JB WAS at the SBE this year ... I spoke to him. I also got to see his basic rugged case, and believe me, it's the most protective case you can buy, and the basic rugged is built like a tank. It exudes quality. The JB cases are in no way 'cheap Chinese cases'. I'm not a real luxury/showoff kinda guy, so I would only buy the basic rugged, as I see no reason to spend lots of money on cosmetics on a cue case.

It's the finest case for the money I can imagine, and I'm sure it's a 'forever' case if you want it to be.

REV
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Great post. You have confirmed your ignorance and maturity level. I'd say show some intelligence...but clearly, you're lacking greatly in that department.
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Reply of the year!
 
Do you guys not read or comprehend what he was saying? Really?

JB is making a JJ knockoff for $300. If you want said knockoff signed by JB himself, it'll be $475.
That's what I got out of this whole thing
myself.I like John and have no issue with what he does but what I do find funny is that
when certain cuemakers a couple years ago were making tribute cues that were
selling for a lot less than a real one,some of the same people were up in arms over
that but not about when its a case.

People seem to flip flop alot on this site to whatever benefits there argument
at the time.
John has every right to market his product the way he feels fit but it's obvious that
with all the hoopla that's been with these guys that John could of used a different
casemaker to compare to or not use one at all.
By using Jack as a comparison is to show that you can get a case like this without
losing a arm or a leg.To me its a indirect way to get a point across without it looking
like a outright personal attack.
John markets his own way,Jack the same.At the end of the day,they both must be
making a decent product.Its up to the consumer to decide which person they would
rather support by purchasing there product.
For me,its not just the having a great product but knowing my money is also
going to help support a good human being.
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Some of your other comments I liked but this one is totally off the mark.
Anybody that keeps bringing that because of John being in China makes him
a American hater or traitor, is not only dumb as a stump but a absolute hypocrite.

I guess then almost every store in every mall across the US are traitors cause
they sell majority of products made in China,Japan?

Have you ever ate Chinese food or rice or bought anything made outside your
country?
You have every right to post what you like but when you talk traitors,the first
people I think of is my government.
 
JB WAS at the SBE this year ... I spoke to him. I also got to see his basic rugged case, and believe me, it's the most protective case you can buy, and the basic rugged is built like a tank. It exudes quality. The JB cases are in no way 'cheap Chinese cases'. I'm not a real luxury/showoff kinda guy, so I would only buy the basic rugged, as I see no reason to spend lots of money on cosmetics on a cue case.

It's the finest case for the money I can imagine, and I'm sure it's a 'forever' case if you want it to be.

REV

Spoke with him at SBE as well. Explained to him the difficulty I was having ordering a 3 x 6 Butterfly. The order form was confusing (to me). By the time I finished playing Saturday night, John was gone. Finished playing Sunday around 6 PM. The show was already torn down. John was gone. Agree with you about the value of a JB Case. Might not be the absolute best available (????). The price / performance ratio however is extremely high.

Lyn
 
I also think,if your going to make a opinion about John or anybody else,it
should be about something they've done or said not about where they live.

If we were all judged based on supporting other cultures outside of our own,nobody
would ever take a vacation and most of our stores would have empty shelves.
 
Get off your imaginary high horse
As far as I'm concerned if you live and own a company in another country your not American in my book in fact I would consider you a defector possibly even a traitor People like you should have to relinquish their citizenship unless their military government contractor working for a American company
As wise man once told me your either with us or your one of the enemy


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Do you watch TV? Please tell me the brand name of your US made TV set.
 
That's what I got out of this whole thing
myself.I like John and have no issue with what he does but what I do find funny is that
when certain cuemakers a couple years ago were making tribute cues that were
selling for a lot less than a real one,some of the same people were up in arms over
that but not about when its a case.

People seem to flip flop alot on this site to whatever benefits there argument
at the time.
John has every right to market his product the way he feels fit but it's obvious that
with all the hoopla that's been with these guys that John could of used a different
casemaker to compare to or not use one at all.
By using Jack as a comparison is to show that you can get a case like this without
losing a arm or a leg.To me its a indirect way to get a point across without it looking
like a outright personal attack.
John markets his own way,Jack the same.At the end of the day,they both must be
making a decent product.Its up to the consumer to decide which person they would
rather support by purchasing there product.
For me,its not just the having a great product but knowing my money is also
going to help support a good human being.

$75 of the price goes to shipping. The price from me for a Justis-level case is $400 if I build it all by myself. If I divide the labor and let my staff do the work then the price drops to $300. I figure if it's not worth an extra $100 to have me build your case then no reason I should do it. The number is really arbitrary because what's my time worth anyway? $3 an hour? $30 an hour? I don't know, I just wanted a crispy Benjy for my trouble. ;-)

The reason I chose Jack is very simple. Jack has claimed several times that I cannot make a case and his number one dealer/investor has taken up that statement as a sort of "battle cry" and has repeated it numerous times over the past several months. I finally decided to answer this by accepting the challenge and making a case. And the case I chose to use as a foundation is a Justis because Jack not only made these statements but tacitly condoned the actions of his number one customer.

I give the reasons for this in video #4 in the series - http://youtu.be/QUpzwZ2mhnU

So I totally agree that using a Justis case is a controversial choice but it's also a practical one. At least on this forum Jack Justis cases have a reputation and desirability and are considered by some to be the best in the business. So if I am going to copy anyone then why not copy the best in the business? Go straight to the top as they say.

Now the plain fact, to me, is that Jack's cases are NOT the best in the business but then I have a pretty deep insight into the business to know this from many perspectives. That might sound like some sort of sour grapes or whatnot but in fact it's simply a fact that is revealed to any leather worker who compares Jack's work with the work of many other cue case makers excluding our work for obviously biased reasons. Even if JB Cases did not exist Justis cases would still not be the best in the business.

What a Justis case actually IS though is a simple tube case. It is a case that is relatively easy to make and does the job of holding and transporting a cue reasonably well and for the most part stays together for a decently acceptable amount of time. With slight improvements it can be a much better case. So as such it's actually a very good choice to use it for the aspiring case makers as a base platform from which to launch their own case making ambitions. From this simple base they can make the improvements and modifcations as they want to and always have a decent enough product to present to their customers.

In all honesty, all BS aside, many newbie case makers make some horrible mistakes which their customers might overlook or forgive because they are new or the price is low enough to cause the customer to accept the mistake in construction. By simply outright copying Jack's work and building off his case they can avoid those mistakes and modify from a base that works.

So really I am killing two birds with one stone so to speak. I am showing the Jack Pack that I can build a case and teaching the consumers/case makers WHY I choose to build the way I do as opposed to the way Jack does it and HOW I would make simple improvements to Jack's choices in order to be able to put out a lower priced product.

Now I welcome anyone to dissect my work on camera. I am totally ok with it because if anything is found that I could be doing better then I am flexible enough to make the change for the better. If Jack or anyone would like to do a series of videos ripping our work apart then feel free and I will not only link to them but I will use them as the foundation to either defend ourselves against unfair attacks OR if the points have merit to show what we did to change our product accordingly. I don't know how I could do it any better than that given our scant resources.

Lastly, I am not the least bit apologetic for being this way. If this is what it takes to settle the issues once and for all then it's the way it will be. I fully intend to have a long career as a cue case maker and I will not allow anyone else to defame us or flat out lie about our product without rebuttal. I feel like I can write a million words and they are meaningless against the timelessness of video demonstration.

Thus I sincerely hope that when this video series is done the Jack Pack will leave me alone for good and if they don't then I will just go on making more videos.

Lastly Joe Van Buren made a comment in passing that I don't want to get lost, he said that Jack is currently improving his interior. I hope so. I don't know exactly what that means but I sincerely and truly hope that he improves his interior to the point that no one would ever want to purchase a replacement interior for his case made by me. I hope every case maker makes interiors that none of their customers never need to ever have any doubt about.

That's been my bottom line since day one as a cue case maker. I didn't invent it I inherited it from Joe Porper and his "Protect-A-Cue" line of cases. Come to find out that Joe inherited it from Bob Meucci and Bob from Fellini before him. The idea that protecting the cue is the first and most important reason for a cue case isn't mine, it's been part of the cue case industry for more than 40 years.

I only made it into an obsession.
 
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Some of your other comments I liked but this one is totally off the mark.
Anybody that keeps bringing that because of John being in China makes him
a American hater or traitor, is not only dumb as a stump but a absolute hypocrite.

I guess then almost every store in every mall across the US are traitors cause
they sell majority of products made in China,Japan?

Have you ever ate Chinese food or rice or bought anything made outside your
country?
You have every right to post what you like but when you talk traitors,the first
people I think of is my government.
Well I always say no one is holding your hand to stay here people can leave at any time no one is forcing them to stay.
Any buying from companies that are Chinese has nothing to do with the other I'm solely speaking of companies who are run by so called Americans that live in other countries especially like China that operates on slave labor how they can consider themselves American is way beyond my understand since I live .work ,pay taxes and vote in America that's what a American is in my book
So either one or your not

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Well I always say no one is holding your hand to stay here people can leave at any time no one is forcing them to stay.
Any buying from companies that are Chinese has nothing to do with the other I'm solely speaking of companies who are run by so called Americans that live in other countries especially like China that operates on slave labor how they can consider themselves American is way beyond my understand since I live .work ,pay taxes and vote in America that's what a American is in my book
So either one or your not

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I'm probably the most patriotic American on this forum. :D

That said, the United States needs China in today's global market as much as China needs the United States. I have statistics I could provide, but I don't feel like digging them up, as far as trade in the past, today, and projected future.

Check out this diddy on 60 Minutes ---> HERE
 
$75 of the price goes to shipping. The price from me for a Justis-level case is $400 if I build it all by myself. If I divide the labor and let my staff do the work then the price drops to $300. I figure if it's not worth an extra $100 to have me build your case then no reason I should do it. The number is really arbitrary because what's my time worth anyway? $3 an hour? $30 an hour? I don't know, I just wanted a crispy Benjy for my trouble. ;-)

The reason I chose Jack is very simple. Jack has claimed several times that I cannot make a case and his number one dealer/investor has taken up that statement as a sort of "battle cry" and has repeated it numerous times over the past several months. I finally decided to answer this by accepting the challenge and making a case. And the case I chose to use as a foundation is a Justis because Jack not only made these statements but tacitly condoned the actions of his number one customer.

I give the reasons for this in video #4 in the series - http://youtu.be/QUpzwZ2mhnU

So I totally agree that using a Justis case is a controversial choice but it's also a practical one. At least on this forum Jack Justis cases have a reputation and desirability and are considered by some to be the best in the business. So if I am going to copy anyone then why not copy the best in the business? Go straight to the top as they say.

Now the plain fact, to me, is that Jack's cases are NOT the best in the business but then I have a pretty deep insight into the business to know this from many perspectives. That might sound like some sort of sour grapes or whatnot but in fact it's simply a fact that is revealed to any leather worker who compares Jack's work with the work of many other cue case makers excluding our work for obviously biased reasons. Even if JB Cases did not exist Justis cases would still not be the best in the business.

What a Justis case actually IS though is a simple tube case. It is a case that is relatively easy to make and does the job of holding and transporting a cue reasonably well and for the most part stays together for a decently acceptable amount of time. With slight improvements it can me a much better case. So as such it's actually a very good choice to use it for the aspiring case makers as a base platform from which to launch their own case making ambitions. From this simple base they can make the improvements and modifcations as they want to and always have a decent enough product to present to their customers.

In all honesty, all BS aside, many newbie case makers make some horrible mistakes which their customers might overlook or forgive because they are new or the price is low enough to cause the customer to accept the mistake in construction. By simply outright copying Jack's work and building off his case they can avoid those mistakes and modify from a base that works.

So really I am killing two birds with one stone so to speak. I am showing the Jack Pack that I can build a case and teaching the consumers/case makers WHY I choose to build the way I do as opposed to the way Jack does it and HOW I would make simple improvements to Jack's choices in order to be able to put out a lower priced product.

Now I welcome anyone to dissect my work on camera. I am totally ok with it because if anything is found that I could be doing better then I am flexible enough to make the change for the better. If Jack or anyone would like to do a series of videos ripping our work apart then feel free and I will not only link to them but I will use them as the foundation to either defend ourselves against unfair attacks OR if the points have merit to show what we did to change our product accordingly. I don't know how I could do it any better than that given our scant resources.

Lastly, I am not the least bit apologetic for being this way. If this is what it takes to settle the issues once and for all then it's the way it will be. I fully intend to have a long career as a cue case maker and I will not allow anyone else to defame us or flat out lie about our product without rebuttal. I feel like I can write a million words and they are meaningless against the timelessness of video demonstration.

Thus I sincerely hope that when this video series is done the Jack Pack will leave me alone for good and if they don't then I will just go on making more videos.

Lastly Joe Van Buren made a comment in passing that I don't want to get lost, he said that Jack is currently improving his interior. I hope so. I don't know exactly what that means but I sincerely and truly hope that he improves his interior to the point that no one would ever want to purchase a replacement interior for his case made by me. I hope every case maker makes interiors that none of their customers never need to ever have any doubt about.

That's been my bottom line since day one as a cue case maker. I didn't invent it I inherited it from Joe Porper and his "Protect-A-Cue" line of cases. Come to find out that Joe inherited it from Bob Meucci and Bob from Fellini before him. The idea that protecting the cue is the first and most important reason for a cue case isn't mine, it's been part of the cue case industry for more than 40 years.

I only made it into an obsession.

Can you point me to the thread where Jack said you can not make a case since I have not read that


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Spoke with him at SBE as well. Explained to him the difficulty I was having ordering a 3 x 6 Butterfly. The order form was confusing (to me). By the time I finished playing Saturday night, John was gone. Finished playing Sunday around 6 PM. The show was already torn down. John was gone. Agree with you about the value of a JB Case. Might not be the absolute best available (????). The price / performance ratio however is extremely high.

Lyn

You play too good to have time to shop. :-)

Will PM you my phone number.
 
No. Take my word for it. Here is the most recent time that Jack's number one dealer/investor/friend/spokesperson said it and Jack didn't bother to correct him then or any other time he has said it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=323122

Bobby is not a dealer. and what Bobby says should not be considered any more than here say at best I don't recall Jack ever posting something negative about you cases I could be wrong if he has said something to your face that's not any where near the same thing


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