JB's AZB

Agreed. When a poster knowingly lies to cause harm to someone they should be banned for at least a significant period of time if not permanently depending on the exact circumstances.
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I agree. Thing is how do you know what's a lie and what isn't? Answer: You don't so that's why accusations need to be sandboxed and PROVEN to the admin's satisfaction before being allowed to be public in my opinion.

There is zero problem with speculation as long as it is clear that it is speculation.
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And here is what has in fact happened to me. Someone posts a speculative NEGATIVE comment about something or someone in the business, not me. I happen to know the 100% truth of the situation because I was present. I post that statement refuting the speculation. Then I am attacked and called a liar and more and argued with over it.

Do you see the dynamic at play here? The person who truly KNOWS NOTHING but who instead has only a speculation will defend their position AS IF IT IS FACT. To the point that they start defaming me over it.

Hell I even had a guy call me a liar when I tried to explain how Instroke cases were built. He tried to tell me how they were built EVEN THOUGH HE HAD NEVER TAKEN ONE APART.

John, no regular nobody Joe Schmo would still be around after all you have done. They would have been lifetime banned 18 times over. It is possible that they sometimes don't let things slide with you that they would let slide with others but that is because of your history and is certainly understandable and reasonable. But when it comes to what they do about it, this is where you get ALL the special treatment. You have carte blanche to do whatever you like for life. Just take your little slap on the wrist and then you can come back shortly and do it again. Nobody else would get that kind of latitude for such a prolonged period. Nobody.
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Again how many times have a I been banned? Do you know? How many times this year? For what? Examples?

It's really all about me isn't it?

You're not willing to look at the other guys and demand that they be banned. You're not willing to go through threads and find the times that they should have been banned long before I blew a gasket. You say you want fairness but so far I don't see you actually practicing what you preach.

Those who HAVE called out the antagonists were ignored. I was called a cock by one guy, called a liar by others. That's name calling pure and simple. Have you EVER ONCE called for them to be banned? Not that I have seen.

I don't think Mike was as big of a player as you either in the impact or in how many people know of and about him. But in any case, Mike was the one guy that might, and I say might, have given you a run for the money in how much they pushed it around here. Dude had a flagrant disregard for the rules and for the ownership's wishes that was equal to and possibly even surpassing yours. They had no choice but to get rid of him. Plus he didn't beg and sweet talk as much as you do to try to be allowed back on after he was banned. You are just defiant in between bannings and then kiss butt and try to smooth it over while you are banned. He was defiant all the time...lol.
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You think I kiss ass while banned? You really need to STOP thinking that the world actually IS as you believe it to be. Trust me pal Mike and Jerry are FAR MORE happy when I am not banned because I don't hold ANYTHING back when voicing my displeasure at the way things went down.

Give me a break. Like yourself, Mike created his own problems. He was relentless in his spam, instigated most of his issues, and couldn't have cared less about the ownership's wishes or rules. He only cared about himself and doing what he wanted to do. He instigated and created what you call his trolls. Trolls weren't the problem, Mike was the problem. I know you don't see it but you create your own problems as well and the similarities are striking.
Anyway, I didn't want to go round and round with you and will probably leave it at this. I was only curious to know if you realized how much special treatment you got, and true to form you turned it into something much bigger than it needed to be. I know you absolutely positively must have the last word always and forever 100% of the time (which is a big part of how you cause all the problems for yourself), so have at it and have the last word. I wish you the best, truly.
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You don't wish me the best. If you did then you would have been fair in your criticism by calling out the antagonists.

Trust me pal I get no special treatment. In fact I am subject to be banned just for having this discussion on general principles.

But again if you were fair and actually analyzed the threads you would see that I am 100% right, others attack and defame and name call long before I do and don't get chastised or banned for it. If any chastising comes then it's LONG after the deeds are done.

That's just exactly how it is. As for the last word, if you say something I disagree with I will respond. That's how a discussion works. I honestly don't understand you people's hangup with how long a discussion goes and WHO has the last word. The last word is when everyone has had their say and no one has anything else to say.

I find that people who use the "he has to have the last word" insult are themselve guilty of being the ones who SEEM to really want the last word. Otherwise why care? For example I don't care if we keep the discussion going for 100 more posts - except that you probably won't start dealing in FACTS which would stop the discussion cold.

Instead you prefer the nebulous world of speculation where you can spout your "stats" as if they are fact with no proof to back them up. Go get At Large and make a spreadsheet detailing the times I have been banned and the reasons with thread links and then compare them to the rules broken in those threads BY OTHERS before I got banned.

Write the words BANNABLE OFFENSE next to each rule violation. I am 100% sure that most of the time, it wasn't me who started with the name calling, defamation, ad hominem attacks, etc... And I will BET SUPER HIGH ON THAT if anyone thinks I wont.

I will bet every penny I own, all my cases, any property I have, all of it.

You only see what you want to see. Deal in facts and things look very differently.
 
Wow!.

Seriously John, you need to get a Medical MJ License and a vaporizer.

This time, you come back with a vengeance. Absolutely no stopping you is there.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Wow!.

Seriously John, you need to get a Medical MJ License and a vaporizer.

This time, you come back with a vengeance. Absolutely no stopping you is there.
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Just making conversation. Is there a rule against that?

Have a broken any rules?

Called anyone a name?

I came back and made some comments in response on some comments made by others in my absence. Were they not looking for a reply? Or perhaps hoping they could simply knock without getting a reply? I don't know. I do know that I should have as much right to speak up as you feel you have a right to knock me.

You do feel that you have a right to knock me don't you? After all you do it plenty when I am not around to defend myself. Do you need an example or two?
 
JB Cases said:
Write the words BANNABLE OFFENSE next to each rule violation. I am 100% sure that most of the time, it wasn't me who started with the name calling, defamation, ad hominem attacks, etc... And I will BET SUPER HIGH ON THAT if anyone thinks I wont.

I will bet every penny I own, all my cases, any property I have, all of it.
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Saying things like this is why people think you're crazy. You say you wanted the thread closed, but your recent posts make you look way, way worse than anything posted by others prior to them.
 
Nope. I don't need for you to be banned for myself to comment on your behavior.

And trust me, if I were ever able to buy AZB there would be some changes. One of them would be a ban for you. Your actions are despicable in my opinion.
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I wouldn't have it any other way.

Chances of yourself ever owning AZB would be slim. If it were to happen, I am sure that Monkeys would be flying out of other Monkeys butts at that point, but, you would Tank the site within a month if not sooner.

No Stroke would be gone, I'd be gone, Dave would be gone according to you.

Sounds like you would rid the site of everyone except a few that would do the Twostep Lockstep with you.

John Hisler.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Nope. I don't need for you to be banned for myself to comment on your behavior.



I wouldn't have it any other way.

Chances of yourself ever owning AZB would be slim. If it were to happen, I am sure that Monkeys would be flying out of other Monkeys butts at that point, but, you would Tank the site within a month if not sooner.

No Stroke would be gone, I'd be gone, Dave would be gone according to you.

Sounds like you would rid the site of everyone except a few that would do the Twostep Lockstep with you.

John Hisler.
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The chances are slim for a few reasons but not out of the realm of possibility. If I did buy it though I'd let Mike and Jerry do exactly what they are doing with the main site and just focus on the forums. And yes, a lot of you whom THINK you are being funny would be given the opportunity to act right or be gone. That's what ownership means.

The MAJORITY of people on AZB are great folks. I meet tons of them in my travels. And there are plenty who lurk and never post who are also good people. They would post but the minority of jackasses stop them from posting.

I would gladly trade people like you for people like them. I would gladly welcome back the great writers who have abandoned AZB. I'd welcome the pros who won't touch this forum anymore. I'd welcome my industry friends and provide them with some sanctuary against trolls and jackasses.

Because with those people it would attract even more people, like say newbies who want a great first experience. Not some jackass hammering them out of the gate.

So yeah all those who couldn't deal with how I want the forum run would be gone. I predict that would be a VERY small amount of people and those left would be very grateful.
 
SakuJack said:
Saying things like this is why people think you're crazy. You say you wanted the thread closed, but your recent posts make you look way, way worse than anything posted by others prior to them.
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How so?

Do you have an example?

I said the thread SHOULD have been closed from the beginning. It IS an attack on a member and it IS NOT pool related.

Do you disagree? Or do you think these types of threads should be ok and should be in the main forum?
 
9andout said:
JB had a choice. He chose poorly. On many levels, with regard to China.
Listing would take us way off topic. Into the NPR realm, haha
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You say you have nothing against me then say I chose poorly?

Go for it and make a list.

I will start,

1. I am married to a Chinese woman with whom I have two children.
2. I have a great set of Chinese in-laws that came with my wife. Lucked into both.
3. I have seven years of living among Chinese people and learning their culture, history and some of their language.
4. I have learned a lot more about globalization, poverty, communism/capitalism, stereotypes, prejudice, bigotry, and economics through being here.
5. Because the labor rate is cheaper I have been able to pour ALL the man hours into our cases that I think are needed to make the type of case my mentor would expect me to make. He charged thousands for simple cases because of the hours he put in. I charge hundreds and have not gotten rich off it. But I have cases that I am very proud of and that customers love.

Those are positives as I see them.

Go ahead and list the negatives, I would love to hear them and we can talk about them.
 
One more thing, those that are sooooo vocal can't even part with $35 a year to support the forum that they claim to love.

What did Cleiton Rocha say? .10cts a DAY to support AZB is what it costs, actually LESS than .10cts a day. Yet those who want to troll and denigrate others with impunity can't look in their piggy banks to find $35 bucks.

In fact at least one of them openly mocks the way AZB asks for paid support. Sad.
 
JB Cases said:
Because obviously Brian and I planned it that way. He has a giant calendar and we talk every day to plan what we will post for maximum effect. When I announced to him that I was going back to China he said ohhh let's use the offer to run it back to antagonize Lou.

Isn't that about how it went Brian?

Here is the thing Lou...I didn't even KNOW that Brian made you that offer until we went to dinner. But it didn't surprise me that you guys didn't want to play again.

If you had said yes then Brian would have asked me and I would have said if we can make it an ahead set I would be willing to go again.

And that's what it will be IF we go again. Don't you worry about it, I will show up in St. Louis and put the money on the table and offer to play you. I will camp out on "your" table and wait for your backer to fly out and bet a lot more.

Me and Terry and Dale might end up betting all the money before you and your backer get up the courage to try me again so you might have to wait a bit though.
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No offer was made that night that I was able to take as being serious. If Brian asked and I said I would have to think about it, then you guys were left hanging. If you guys wanted to bet so bad, and Brian wanted to do a solid for his buddy so bad, you could have posted on AZ that night "How do I get a hold of Lou?" and I'm sure someone would have called or texted me before we flew out flew out next day. Once my partner and I knew there was serious offer we would have been changing plane reservations. Bottom line: you guys really didn't want to go again and were happy to be let off the hook.

As to St. Louis, meh. One thing the run up to our match taught me is to not believe a single, solitary, itty-bitty word you say :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
John, how many times have you been banned? How can your last transgression against Marc get you banned for just 10 days?

You talk about fairness but it doesn't ever apply to you.
 
JB Cases said:
The nature of a forum is that responding generates a response. Let me ask you the same question I asked the op at the beginning of this thread? Why can't you simply NOT open it?

I have ZERO interest in the Guns and Cues thread, despite the fact that it is constantly on the front page I have no problem scrolling past it. Same with the Funny GiF thread. Barely open it mostly scroll right on by.

Other threads I have skipped today..... most of them on the main page. Why? because they don't interest me.

So if a thread is not something you want to read why open it? To me this is like complaining about channels on the tv that you can flip right past.

Now, I know you are fond of detailing your personal conversations with industry members when it's relevant....so I will give you one of mine....Mike and Jerry would rather spend their time on the main site instead of bothering with the petty bs here.

Mike, in my opinion based on talking to him, does not give a crap about "views" created by argument threads. Why not? Because the volume of movement on AZ would be roughly the same with or without them. IMO the climate would be better without them but the eyeballs on the ads would be about the same.

Now, eyeballs on MY signature ads are definitely higher in threads where I am getting attacked and responding. That could be mitigated by me also employing the personal IGNORE feature as Nobcity rightly advised. Instead I should spread out my commentary among many other threads - even if I have no interest in them - in the interest of insuring that I hve at least one "ad" in those threads. Wouldn't that be the much better way to go?

Never say anything of actual value, never even get close to giving offense or being in any way disagreeable, but be present in ALL threads. Allow those who are ignorant and spout incorrect information to continue unchallenged. Would that be more pleasing to you and JohnnyT?
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i'm sorry you missed the compliment.

and i completely agree with you, which was the other point i was trying to make: if you, Lou, and/or everyone else would simply IGNORE & NOT RESPOND, then all this rhetoric would STOP. and Mike, Jerry, & Wilson could focus elsewhere.

your posts re: str8shots were relevent - thank you for them. but your other 48 posts since 7:20pmEST last night, not so much.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
you need to get a Medical MJ License and a vaporizer
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Both of those items are a must-have if you live in Colorado
I recommend the pen type vaporizers, the full blown hookah type will end up in
your closet for seldom used appliances, along with your breadmaker, electric knife,
and Seal-a-Meal
 
lfigueroa said:
No offer was made that night that I was able to take as being serious. If Brian asked and I said I would have to think about it, then you guys were left hanging. If you guys wanted to bet so bad, and Brian wanted to do a solid for his buddy so bad, you could have posted on AZ that night "How do I get a hold of Lou?" and I'm sure someone would have called or texted me before we flew out flew out next day. Once my partner and I knew there was serious offer we would have been changing plane reservations. Bottom line: you guys really didn't want to go again and were happy to be let off the hook.

As to St. Louis, meh. One thing the run up to our match taught me is to not believe a single, solitary, itty-bitty word you say :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Lou;

at this point I think the dead horse is saying wtf already, I'm dead. ;) :deadhorse:

if I said it, and I did, I meant it.

that you responded indicating you needed a little time to think about it, and you did, told me that maybe since you were right in the middle of the big high just winning this many-years-in-the-making match, that you probably did need things to calm down some before considering the offer.

You just finished beating John 9-6; please forgive me if I didn't hump your leg on the way out of town looking for an answer.

bottom line: I said it, I meant it, you and your entourage left in a hurry soon after (previously discussed and understood why), and that was that.

fin. :smile:

best,
brian kc
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
Lou;

at this point I think the dead horse is saying wtf already, I'm dead. ;) :deadhorse:

if I said it, and I did, I meant it.

that you responded indicating you needed a little time to think about it, and you did, told me that maybe since you were right in the middle of the big high just winning this many-years-in-the-making match, that you probably did need things to calm down some before considering the offer.

You just finished beating John 9-6; pls forgive me if I didn't hump your leg on your way out of town looking for an answer.

bottom line: I said it, I meant it, you and your entourage left in a hurry soon after (previously discussed and understood why), and that was that.

fin. :smile:

best,
brian kc
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Brian, I can accept all that and I hope you and I are good.

John was originally trying to turn this into something about my ducking an offer to play again. I had no reason to duck.

Lou Figueroa
 
PINKLADY said:
TO THE OP:

while i find all of this fascinating, AD NAUSEUM :barf: - let's do a 180 and
FOLLOW THE MONEY....

JB sparks more responses, than even CJ & JAM (combined) - regardless of reason.
hits, prove "volume/traffic" for AZB.
volume, assists in more advertising herein.
more advertising, means more $$$$$....


PL <---- waiting for Mike to ban me, cause it's Friday :eek:
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There's no money in pool.
 
takeitdown said:
John, how many times have you been banned? How can your last transgression against Marc get you banned for just 10 days?

You talk about fairness but it doesn't ever apply to you.
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What transgression?

I have been banned more than once, I wasn't banned for doing anything to Mac because I didn't do anything to Marc that was against the rules. I stated some facts that are 100% true and in the consumer's favor. I won't say more than that because at this point it's a legal matter.

As for your idea of what applies and doesn't apply to me...you broke a few rules yourself and didn't get put in the penalty box there so I'd be a little bit cautious about crying too loudly about other people.
 
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