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JB Cases said:
Brian, Kickin' Chicken, asked you to play again. He showed you the money. You said, "I have to think about it".

Now you can call him a liar if you want to.

And again Lou, you should have taken the opportunity to DOUBLE the bet and have it ALL posted before the match when it was offered to you. I know it stings that you only won a couple grand after all that but hey, that's what happens when you are afraid to bet your own.
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easy guys...

some clarity:

First of all; I like both of you and as unlikely as it is, it would be nice to see you two get along or at least be civil toward each other. Might be easier to sort out the Middle East, I know.

I never met Lou before the second (final) night of his 1p match with JB. I arrived at Sandcastle about a half hour before showtime and on the way in I had a few words with my pal Ed the Sandman and I left my cue case at the counter after seeing Lou and his guys chatting in the back left side of the room.

I took the opportunity to have a little fun with them and so I went over there with my old Orvis bag (see below) which was indeed loaded for a poss rematch. As I approached I said "excuse me, are one of you guys John Barton; I'm supposed to be delivering this bag of extra money to him."

The look that came over their faces was priceless. I extended my hand to Lou and said, nice to meet you, I'm the Kickin' Chicken. They had a good laugh and then Mike L., Lou's backer, also shook my hand - we have interacted some time ago here on az, as well.

I ended up being with them during an ensuing discussion with Ed over what to do about 'coaching' from the rail which was a big topic of this match from the previous day. That was sorted out pretty quick since this wasn't an apa match with timeouts. :wink:

Fast forward, Lou won the match, he looked dileriously happy (why wouldn't he) and was starting to receive congrats both in person and via his phone. I managed to get these two guys together for a photo op and I made my way into the arena and added my congratulations.

I asked Lou if he wants to roll it back and go again and he said he needed a little time to think about it. We discussed the possibility of going out to grab some dinner, all of us, together which he seemed like he was amenable to. Then maybe 10 15 min later, Lou and his people disappeared; vanished into the night. :) btw, it was tough for me to imagine Mike breaking bread with jb under any circumstance. Yes, something likely would break but not bread. :eek::grin:

btw, idk for certain but it may have had something to do with their being out in central Joisey with a fat bankroll that caused such a stealthy departure. If that played into it, I will say, I don't blame them - I can def relate. :wink:

So, I felt it was safe for me to assume that when Lou and company left, the rematch offer was declined.

I know there are a lot of opinions and guys who have firmly taken sides over the whole Lou vs JB match and if you all could just put your personal feelings aside for just a minute and think how these two, like em or not, finally duked it out for $10 g's. Partially staked or not, that's big pressure and some big balls, both guys. And to have done it with cameras rolling....

I'm thinking these two combatants should at least have a little respect for the fact that each was either courageous or crazy (or a mixture of both) enough to go through with it.

in fairness to Lou when I presented this offer to him, he was still taking in the fact that he won the match. He probably felt more like he just slayed a dragon. :thumbup:

that's about all I know.

best,
brian kc
 

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Thank for clarifying Brian. I do respect Lou for showing up. I thought I would be able to end up respecting him for more but I can't.
 
Hey Poppy

Seriously, I've NEVER had a fued with anyone here nor do I wish to but come on puppy, do u EVER have ANYTHING worth reading? Im def not for or against JB but the more I read from you -------- ugh!!!!
 
Well I dont know, but ive only been back on AZB for a few days and already I've read enough of the nonsense. Doesn't everyone get tired of the BS? SURE JB goes off but we all know that - provoke and ya know exactly what ur gonna get. But this guys posts just rub me, why keep the BS going??? I like reading bout relevant stuff dont yall? A little harmless bantering ok but enough is enough no?
 
JB Cases said:
Haha, that's your first mistake. I can "out argue" anyone on this site and it's flat stealing. Now that's not a virtue.

Let's put aside the "value" of my case contributions for a moment and the value of my input. Let's discuss the concept of being outspoken.

I NEVER have condemned anyone for being outspoken. I condemn those that defame and troll. Those who use this pulpit to anonymously in most cases, harass others and stalk them for the purpose of getting a rise out of them are to condemned and should be virtually eliminated. Those who can make their points with civility and without stalking and harassment should be allowed to discuss as long as they wish to.

In fact I have suggested to Mike and Jerry that there be a sandbox section where long-running discussions that are going in circles can be moved to so that the participants can continue to play as long as they are willing.

Now, as to your "diagnosis", try again. I am here because I have a billiard business I wish to market and because I am a pool player who likes to discuss pool related topics.

To that end I will speak up on any topic when I chose to as often as I choose to. I rely on my eperiences over the past 30 years to fill the content of my posts. These are often experiences that most here have not had in some aspects and in others they are similar experiences that most die hard pool players have had.

Now to the value of my contributions.

#1 I have more experience as a cue case maker than any person on this forum. Is that bragging or simply a fact. I don't know of any other maker that has done the breadth and depth of cases that I have created, that my shop has made under my direction. So I would say that my advice is worthwhile and sometimes is in fact more knoweldgeable than what my colleauges might say if they wanted to share.

#2. I have been in the industry for 26 years. I often clear up misconceptions and outright fabrications posted by members because I happen to know the facts of the situations. Sometimes these misconceptions and fabrications would have been quite harmful to the reputations of others in the business without someone like me to post the factual information.

Sometimes I simply help those in need make the connections they need to do their business. I do this because in 26 years I have built a library of connections and once in a while I am the one who can provide the right answer. I think that's a pretty good resource. Can you provide that?

#3. I contribute financially to members in need. It is precisely BECAUSE I am able to sell my wares here through my presence that I am able to do this. Also being present makes me AWARE of members in need that I can contribute to. Sometimes I have taken the lead to get help to members and sometimes I have just contributed. So I think that a business who shares by giving back to the community in times of need is also a valuable resource.

#4. Which brings us all the back to the actual value of my products....even if my products cost me .50cts to build they are worth much more to the people who own them. So when I say I donated x-amount then that amount is at retail. OF COURSE the products cost me less than that to build, that's how the world of commerce works. You don't work for subsistence wages either I presume, or do you? I am going to go out on a limb and guess you are some sort of psychologist? If so do you count pro-bono hours by the net cost or the gross cost. If you donate 10 hours of time to the local hospital for counseling do you say you donated $1000 worth of time or $500 worth of time.

The overriding point is that I donated cases which have enough value to entice MORE people to sign up as Gold Members thus helping AZB Billiards to be funded and continue in existence. So that you in turn will have a place to harass me as much as you can get away with.
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You literally retyped what you've said before, the argument is lost, your condition is accurate, your reputation speaks for itself ; John Barton has become synonymous with obnoxious behavior in this forum, people here literally have used your name to describe someone else's actions. And if you are fine with that, it's fine with me, like I've said before, I own your case and I have no issue with you, you argue to no end with everyone and if that works for you, ok, but don't justify your behavior with case bribes to AZB. and when it's all said and done, eventually you'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person, it happened with your ban the first time, it will happen again, it's a guarantee, you've done this your entire life, only you know what its cost you, just know that a big mouth has a big fall. good luck.
 
richie balto

Sorry, too lazy to look up ur earlier post that I read but AMEN brother, we came up in the same places more or less and I agree with ya brother. That WAS THE DRAW. THATS WHATS MISSING NOWDAYS NO?
 
trinacria said:
If I wanted to ignore it I would have Mr.Obviousness. I didn't want to so I posted a reply, i don't need you telling me how to conduct myself with your cop-out reply, thanks.
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And I believe that was MY point Mr. Reading Comprehension Problem.

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Kickin' Chicken said:
easy guys...

some clarity:

First of all; I like both of you and as unlikely as it is, it would be nice to see you two get along or at least be civil toward each other. Might be easier to sort out the Middle East, I know.

I never met Lou before the second (final) night of his 1p match with JB. I arrived at Sandcastle about a half hour before showtime and on the way in I had a few words with my pal Ed the Sandman and I left my cue case at the counter after seeing Lou and his guys chatting in the back left side of the room.

I took the opportunity to have a little fun with them and so I went over there with my old Orvis bag (see below) which was indeed loaded for a poss rematch. As I approached I said "excuse me, are one of you guys John Barton; I'm supposed to be delivering this bag of extra money to him."

The look that came over their faces was priceless. I extended my hand to Lou and said, nice to meet you, I'm the Kickin' Chicken. They had a good laugh and then Mike L., Lou's backer, also shook my hand - we have interacted some time ago here on az, as well.

I ended up being with them during an ensuing discussion with Ed over what to do about 'coaching' from the rail which was a big topic of this match from the previous day. That was sorted out pretty quick since this wasn't an apa match with timeouts. :wink:

Fast forward, Lou won the match, he looked dileriously happy (why wouldn't he) and was starting to receive congrats both in person and via his phone. I managed to get these two guys together for a photo op and I made my way into the arena and added my congratulations.

I asked Lou if he wants to roll it back and go again and he said he needed a little time to think about it. We discussed the possibility of going out to grab some dinner, all of us, together which he seemed like he was amenable to. Then maybe 10 15 min later, Lou and his people disappeared; vanished into the night. :) btw, it was tough for me to imagine Mike breaking bread with jb under any circumstance. Yes, something likely would break but not bread. :eek::grin:

btw, idk for certain but it may have had something to do with their being out in central Joisey with a fat bankroll that caused such a stealthy departure. If that played into it, I will say, I don't blame them - I can def relate. :wink:

So, I felt it was safe for me to assume that when Lou and company left, the rematch offer was declined.

I know there are a lot of opinions and guys who have firmly taken sides over the whole Lou vs JB match and if you all could just put your personal feelings aside for just a minute and think how these two, like em or not, finally duked it out for $10 g's. Partially staked or not, that's big pressure and some big balls, both guys. And to have done it with cameras rolling....

I'm thinking these two combatants should at least have a little respect for the fact that each was either courageous or crazy (or a mixture of both) enough to go through with it.

in fairness to Lou when I presented this offer to him, he was still taking in the fact that he won the match. He probably felt more like he just slayed a dragon. :thumbup:

that's about all I know.

best,
brian kc
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Brian, you seem like a cool guy and though I don't recall you asking to "roll it back" I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, if you said it, you must have said it in a manner that was obviously humorous and not to be taken seriously, or perhaps you posed it as hypothetical. Certainly you did not show me any money.

And as I have said previously, it is pretty strange for this to be coming out for the first time four months after the match.

So yes, between John's money which we had just won, and the money we brought to the match, hangin' around an unfamiliar New Jersey pool room didn't strike any of us as the brightest of ideas, so we did make a relatively quick departure.

My recollection after the match is also that no one in John's camp was in the mood to go again and if you look at the following picture, with you at the center, it's pretty obvious John was done or the picture we'd be discussing would be the one with John, pool cue together and in hand and a coin in the other, getting in my face.

Lastly, I asked my partner, Mike, what his recollection is and his follows.

Lou Figueroa

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Dear Brian

With all due respect I never heard you say you wanted to back John for 10K. Because if you had and I heard it I would have said "Flip it." I don't believe it was seriously offered at all. You had a chance to say something to me about it when we were talking to Ed about his restaurant and you didn't. I tried to bet 25K at the beginning of the match. I tried to double the bet during the match and got turned down. There were at least 20 people there trying to get money down on Lou and no one there, including you, who would take the bet. So if you said you were there to bet 10k on John nobody but you and John heard it or perhaps some half-baked reference was made that didn't sound like a serious statement because we would have a direct call to play right then and there.

If you want to bet 10k on John now. Or 20K. Or 30K bring it to St. Louis in the next 30 days and you can get that money in action, if John shows up. I felt cheated when John didn't take the bets he said he would take, so the idea that I wouldn't take your money on a bet on John is silly. That was the surest bet I've ever made in 50 years. So come to St. Louis now that you're saying you offered 10K on John after the fact. Because I obviously missed your request the first time. I want to make sure you get what you wanted.

Michael LaLumiere
 

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Could John Barton be any more delusional?

Before the match with Lou, he (John) started a gazillion threads and oft repeated that even if he loses, he wins.

In this very thread, he wrote "I can out argue anyone on this site and it's flat stealing."

and how about this comedy gold, also in this thread, written in reference to Lou having a backer and receiving a percentage of the $10,000 that JB lost:

"I know it stings that you only won a couple grand after all that but hey, that's what happens when you are afraid to bet your own."

So the John Barton school of out arguing people is:

1) Declare yourself the winner in advance, many times
2) Lose
3) Insult the winner for not taking more of his money, and think the winner feels burned.

JB is the "Geno" in the "Geno/Bartrum" matchup.
 
trinacria said:
you're not gonna out argue me, the $3500 you claim is about $600 in materials and cheap chinese labor, go tell that shit to someone else. Your suggestions don't count for nothing, you just happened to reply before another cue case maker with the end result is advertise your brand. I open and reply to whatever thread I want, I never said I didn't like this thread or you for that matter, this discussion just happened on a thread targeted at you, so you bear the burden of the example, this doesn't exclude other businesses. and whatever happened in the past is the past, I look to the future, I couldn't care less what others have done or said before me. You claim to be outspoken, don't condemn anyone else who does the same, that makes you an hypocrite.oh and its not all about "YOU", narcissist. yes, you suffer with narcissistic personality disorder, and the first step is admitting to it and accepting it. there's other people in the world, it doesn't revolve around you. and if you think I'm wrong, I can have a colleague read your posts and reply and come with a professional diagnosis. try to have an argument in a thread that doesn't somehow come back to you, and the thread was started because someone thinks you have excessive threads and replies to others threads, not you and lou talking pool, your mind just can't get around that.
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This is incredible coming from a silver member. Why don't you open your own wallet before calling others out you cheap ass. That is about as hypocritical as I have ever seen.
 
oh well, guess da puppy is back on the teet!!!!!!! I say!!!Too bad.
 
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pt...has a better chance of being a bard than of being in a band
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But, what if you had a Band of Merry Bards.

Roaming the English Country side, living on Honey Mead and Verses.

Robin of Loxley may have invited you in.


Hahahaha. Brian, that isn't a Murse is it?
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
But, what if you had a Band of Merry Bards.

Roaming the English Country side, living on Honey Mead and Verses.

Robin of Loxley may have invited you in.


Hahahaha. Brian, that isn't a Murse is it?
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Meh, it could be verse.
 
Kickin' Chicken;4841290[/QUOTE said:
I know there are a lot of opinions and guys who have firmly taken sides over the whole Lou vs JB match and if you all could just put your personal feelings aside for just a minute and think how these two, like em or not, finally duked it out for $10 g's. Partially staked or not, that's big pressure and some big balls, both guys. And to have done it with cameras rolling....

Amen Brian

Like Em or Hate em I got Mucho respect for both John and Lou to step up and play it for 10K , Takes a lot of heart

I will bet that 80% of the members here would shake like a dog sh--ting peach seeds if they even thought of posting half of that on a match
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