JBs Thread

[TheThaiger]

Sounds like you fit right in with "English". You don't have enough common sense to actually learn anything on here. Despite the great wealth of information on here. For you to say that there is nothing to learn here, only shows just how ignorant about the game you really are. And, it goes to show that you are only here to push peoples buttons for your own entertainment. It's actually sad that people like you, that say there is nothing to be gained by the written word, are allowed to be here, while those that actually do help people get banned.

Am I not allowed to express my opinion, Neil?

How has AZB helped you become a better player? You've been here a long time, with thousands of posts, some of them still visible, so what have you learned? You've improved year on year since the day you joined, then?

If you don't like my posts, put me on ignore. It's remarkably easy to do.

 

[Neil]

t would not be a good thing because the system is being marketed as a precise objective point aiming system, with 0 gaps, & no conscious or subconscious adjustments needed to make it wnork. And there are a lot of people in the aiming forum who have not been able to get the system to work. They have been told that their stroke must have been bad to explain why they missed or that they simply are not understanding the system, this would turn out to be untrue if in fact CTE produced results due to a psychological element.

If CTE is simply a change in method that leads to a benefit for some due to psychological reasons then the whole marketing campain would turn out to have been false. The marketing would turn out to have been the equivalent of marketing a sugar pill as the cure for an ailment. It could even be considered a scam depending on if the system knowingly did not work as advertised.

You have no clue what you are even talking about, yet you dare to say that Stan is scamming anyone? You have no clue of the precision actually required in playing pool, and how CTE sets one up for that precision.

You are quick to say that Stan is a scammer, but give no credence to the fact that some simply are too lazy to actually practice what Stan teaches, or too lazy to actually study what he is saying and showing. Or have bad strokes to start with. Amazing! Simply amazing how so many on here are so quick to condemn any and all that actually help others on here. And, get a free pass doing so. All because they are to lazy themselves to actually practice anything worthwhile, and just want an excuse for not getting any better themselves.

This forum used to be a great place to go. Today, it's not so much. It's not because the owners and moderators allow people like you to crap all over it. Then, when the people trying to make it better dare say anything about the crap all over, they get banned, and all that is left is the crappers. To throw the insults that you did about Stan is way, way, overboard. And, should be a banning offense. Yet, the mods and owners won't do anything about it. And, when the good people complain, like they are told to do, they get told to start their own forum if they don't like it.

Unlike you and some others, there are people on here that truly appreciate all that people like Stan, Ron, Dr. Dave, Scott Lee, Mark Wilson, Randy G., and many others have contributed. And, the written word has taught many how to play better when they actually take the written word to the table and actually practice what others are teaching on here.

Nothing at all wrong with discussion, but like you did above, some of you don't want to discuss, only crap all over it. Then, instead of the mods dealing with you, they deal with the topic because that is the easier thing to do. Where, by doing that, they only make this place far less than it could be. And has made this a place where so many won't touch with a ten foot pole.

 

[(((Satori)))]

You have no clue what you are even talking about, yet you dare to say that Stan is scamming anyone? You have no clue of the precision actually required in playing pool, and how CTE sets one up for that precision.

You are quick to say that Stan is a scammer, but give no credence to the fact that some simply are too lazy to actually practice what Stan teaches, or too lazy to actually study what he is saying and showing. Or have bad strokes to start with. Amazing! Simply amazing how so many on here are so quick to condemn any and all that actually help others on here. And, get a free pass doing so. All because they are to lazy themselves to actually practice anything worthwhile, and just want an excuse for not getting any better themselves.

This forum used to be a great place to go. Today, it's not so much. It's not because the owners and moderators allow people like you to crap all over it. Then, when the people trying to make it better dare say anything about the crap all over, they get banned, and all that is left is the crappers. To throw the insults that you did about Stan is way, way, overboard. And, should be a banning offense. Yet, the mods and owners won't do anything about it. And, when the good people complain, like they are told to do, they get told to start their own forum if they don't like it.

Unlike you and some others, there are people on here that truly appreciate all that people like Stan, Ron, Dr. Dave, Scott Lee, Mark Wilson, Randy G., and many others have contributed. And, the written word has taught many how to play better when they actually take the written word to the table and actually practice what others are teaching on here.

Nothing at all wrong with discussion, but like you did above, some of you don't want to discuss, only crap all over it. Then, instead of the mods dealing with you, they deal with the topic because that is the easier thing to do. Where, by doing that, they only make this place far less than it could be. And has made this a place where so many won't touch with a ten foot pole.

You need to control your emotions and focus on what I really said there. You have it all wrong.

 

[TheThaiger]

And, when the good people complain, like they are told to do, they get told to start their own forum if they don't like it.

Moderation is a matter of judgment. You are not going to please everyone. Good on them for holding firm.

Wilson et al just went up in my estimation. (Y'know, a little. )

 

[Neil]

Am I not allowed to express my opinion, Neil?

How has AZB helped you become a better player? You've been here a long time, with thousands of posts, some of them still visible, so what have you learned? You've improved year on year since the day you joined, then?

If you don't like my posts, put me on ignore. It's remarkably easy to do.

Express an opinion? Yes. Provided it has at least some basis of knowledge behind it. Not just because it's an excuse for you being to lazy to actually try anything taught on here.

What have I learned? Many, many things. A lot of the science behind the game. That knowledge has enabled me to be much more precise in position play because now it's not just a matter of feel, but also a matter of knowing what does what, why it does it, and how to then get precisely where I need to be. How to aim much better. How to have better fundamentals, how to practice properly, mental attitude, need I go on? There is much to learn here when one so desires to. Have I improved in the 7 years I have been on here? Yes, I have. In many ways. Anyone can that actually applies themselves. And, in those seven years, I have also helped many others play better.

 

[CreeDo]

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[TheThaiger]

Express an opinion? Yes. Provided it has at least some basis of knowledge behind it. Not just because it's an excuse for you being to lazy to actually try anything taught on here.

What have I learned? Many, many things. A lot of the science behind the game. That knowledge has enabled me to be much more precise in position play because now it's not just a matter of feel, but also a matter of knowing what does what, why it does it, and how to then get precisely where I need to be. How to aim much better. How to have better fundamentals, how to practice properly, mental attitude, need I go on? There is much to learn here when one so desires to. Have I improved in the 7 years I have been on here? Yes, I have. In many ways. Anyone can that actually applies themselves. And, in those seven years, I have also helped many others play better.

So, you're a better player now than you were 7 years ago? And that is directly related to what you've learned on here?

Is that what you are saying?

My, how DID great players become great players before the internet!?

 

[justadub]

So, you're a better player now than you were 7 years ago? And that is directly related to what you've learned on here?

Is that what you are saying?

My, how DID great players become great players before the internet!?

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition. Anyone very well can see some measure of improvement, either large or small, that they can attribute to having learned here.

The "how did people ever get to be great before the internet" argument is silly. The same way they get great now, practice. Lots and lots and lots of practice.

The internet merely facilitates another way to get information. In the old days, that soon-to-be-great player would have to spend all his available time watching people in person, studying them, in hopes of learning techniques. Before ever applying those techniques on the practice table. And then that person needed to be in the presense of someone that they could actually learn something from.

The internet allows us access to a vast amount of information, which we can access whenever and wherever. Some of it good, some of it not so much. But far easier to examine, and determine its potential for the user.

I have seen small improvements in my game that I can attribute to learning about here first, before working on them on the table. Yes, I realize that is miniscule in the larger pool world, being as poor a player as I am, but I make the most of what time I have. That way, when I can actually get to a table, I already have something to work on.

 

[BeiberLvr]

So, you're a better player now than you were 7 years ago? And that is directly related to what you've learned on here?

Is that what you are saying?

My, how DID great players become great players before the internet!?

Where did he ever say this was the only place he learned anything, or that it was the only place to learn anything.

I thought you Brits were supposed to be smart.

 

[TheThaiger]

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition. Anyone very well can see some measure of improvement, either large or small, that they can attribute to having learned here.

The "how did people ever get to be great before the internet" argument is silly. The same way they get great now, practice. Lots and lots and lots of practice.

The internet merely facilitates another way to get information. In the old days, that soon-to-be-great player would have to spend all his available time watching people in person, studying them, in hopes of learning techniques. Before ever applying those techniques on the practice table. And then that person needed to be in the presense of someone that they could actually learn something from.

The internet allows us access to a vast amount of information, which we can access whenever and wherever. Some of it good, some of it not so much. But far easier to examine, and determine its potential for the user.

I have seen small improvements in my game that I can attribute to learning about here first, before working on them on the table. Yes, I realize that is miniscule in the larger pool world, being as poor a player as I am, but I make the most of what time I have. That way, when I can actually get to a table, I already have something to work on.

Fine, but what I said is this place is a zero-sum game. You concentrate on one element and you neglect another. Barton is a classic example - a complete fixation on one, small element of the game, whilst seemingly ignoring the 300lb chicken wing in the room, that stroke of his. Information can mislead as easily as it can inform.

Anyway, table time trumps AZB time for all of us. Your view will be different as you were a relative beginner when you joined, so you're bound to marry your improvement to what you have seen on here. In your eyes they go hand in hand. When you reach the limit of your potential, which we all do eventually, you may see things differently.

ps great players are born, not made.

 

[ps611846]

Cte pro one works exactly as described in Stan's dvd's. And it can be used with sidespin without small adjustments. It took me 20 months to learn how to use it but I am very happy I finally got it. I wouldn't post this if I was not 100% sure. I am not a master of the system but now I can execute really well.

The real problem with a lot of players who try the system and it doesn't seem to work is the "focal point" and how you stand above the shot to perceive the visuals. And then, they try making adjustments and they start struggling. The bad thing is that they start posting against the system and against Stan. I have done this in the past and I regret. But it was me who was doing things wrong and not the system or Stan. I am very happy I never gave up my cte pro one practice and now I am getting rewarded. It is a wonderful system and gets you to the exact shot lines. But it takes a lot of time.

There are guys in this forum like Anthony (8pack) who know how to play and they are great shotmakers without using cte pro one. And maybe they don't have to learn it. No problem with that. I can't say that this system is for everyone. And you don't have to learn a new aiming system if you already shoot great (like Anthony).

Thanks for reading

Panagiotis

 

[Neil]

So, you're a better player now than you were 7 years ago? And that is directly related to what you've learned on here?

Is that what you are saying?

My, how DID great players become great players before the internet!?

Yes, I thought I made that quite clear. Why do you have such trouble comprehending that??

The same way they do now. By lots and lots of practice. What you fail to see or comprehend, is that because of the wealth of information available today, there are far more good players than in the years past when information was very hard to get.

Maybe you equate reading to becoming a better player. It doesn't work that way. You read, you learn, you take what you learned to the table and then practice it. Just getting on a table to practice by just making balls is only going to help a very few. Most will only ingrain bad habits and never achieve their true potential.

 

[Neil]

Cte pro one works exactly as described in Stan's dvd's. And it can be used with sidespin without small adjustments. It took me 20 months to learn how to use it but I am very happy I finally got it. I wouldn't post this if I was not 100% sure. I am not a master of the system but now I can execute really well.

The real problem with a lot of players who try the system and it doesn't seem to work is the "focal point" and how you stand above the shot to perceive the visuals. And then, they try making adjustments and they start struggling. The bad thing is that they start posting against the system and against Stan. I have done this in the past and I regret. But it was me who was doing things wrong and not the system or Stan. I am very happy I never gave up my cte pro one practice and now I am getting rewarded. It is a wonderful system and gets you to the exact shot lines. But it takes a lot of time.

There are guys in this forum like Anthony (8pack) who know how to play and they are great shotmakers without using cte pro one. And maybe they don't have to learn it. No problem with that. I can't say that this system is for everyone. And you don't have to learn a new aiming system if you already shoot great (like Anthony).

Thanks for reading

Panagiotis

I feel that the biggest problem with it, is that it does put you on the correct shot line. That is a problem for many because they don't have a dead straight stroke. They have learned to always steer the cue. Then, when on the correct shot line, and they automatically steer the cue, all they are doing is steering the cue off of the shot line.

Stan should have in his videos that if you can't reliably shoot the cb to the end rail and have it come back to your tip, you first need to work on that. The more reliable you are in doing that, the better aiming systems will work for you.

 

[ps611846]

I feel that the biggest problem with it, is that it does put you on the correct shot line. That is a problem for many because they don't have a dead straight stroke. They have learned to always steer the cue. Then, when on the correct shot line, and they automatically steer the cue, all they are doing is steering the cue off of the shot line.

Stan should have in his videos that if you can't reliably shoot the cb to the end rail and have it come back to your tip, you first need to work on that. The more reliable you are in doing that, the better aiming systems will work for you.

Yes and no !!! When I found my real focal point exactly, my stroke became dead straight !!!! Before that, I was steering !!!!!! I was not getting the correct picture !!!!

 

[JB Cases]

There is no fidgeting in the way I aim. Here is a thread from a while back.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=327748

Don't forget I have you on video fidgeting. I pointed it out to you and you didn't even realize you were doing it until you saw it on video.

 

[JB Cases]

Cte pro one works exactly as described in Stan's dvd's. And it can be used with sidespin without small adjustments. It took me 20 months to learn how to use it but I am very happy I finally got it. I wouldn't post this if I was not 100% sure. I am not a master of the system but now I can execute really well.

The real problem with a lot of players who try the system and it doesn't seem to work is the "focal point" and how you stand above the shot to perceive the visuals. And then, they try making adjustments and they start struggling. The bad thing is that they start posting against the system and against Stan. I have done this in the past and I regret. But it was me who was doing things wrong and not the system or Stan. I am very happy I never gave up my cte pro one practice and now I am getting rewarded. It is a wonderful system and gets you to the exact shot lines. But it takes a lot of time.

There are guys in this forum like Anthony (8pack) who know how to play and they are great shotmakers without using cte pro one. And maybe they don't have to learn it. No problem with that. I can't say that this system is for everyone. And you don't have to learn a new aiming system if you already shoot great (like Anthony).

Thanks for reading

Panagiotis

Anthony does shoot great but he is ALSO a system aimer. He wants to split hairs with Stan though and claim that Stan is wrong in Stan's findings when in fact Stan is right.

IF Anthony would have more of an open mind he would probably get even better.

 

[JB Cases]

Fine, but what I said is this place is a zero-sum game. You concentrate on one element and you neglect another. Barton is a classic example - a complete fixation on one, small element of the game, whilst seemingly ignoring the 300lb chicken wing in the room, that stroke of his. Information can mislead as easily as it can inform.

Anyway, table time trumps AZB time for all of us. Your view will be different as you were a relative beginner when you joined, so you're bound to marry your improvement to what you have seen on here. In your eyes they go hand in hand. When you reach the limit of your potential, which we all do eventually, you may see things differently.

ps great players are born, not made.

Wrong, great players are made. No one is BORN with a stamp on their head that indicates what they will do in life.

 

[nobcitypool]

t would not be a good thing because the system is being marketed as a precise objective point aiming system, with 0 gaps, & no conscious or subconscious adjustments needed to make it wnork. And there are a lot of people in the aiming forum who have not been able to get the system to work. They have been told that their stroke must have been bad to explain why they missed or that they simply are not understanding the system, this would turn out to be untrue if in fact CTE produced results due to a psychological element.

If CTE is simply a change in method that leads to a benefit for some due to psychological reasons then the whole marketing campain would turn out to have been false. The marketing would turn out to have been the equivalent of marketing a sugar pill as the cure for an ailment. It could even be considered a scam depending on if the system knowingly did not work as advertised.

It is painfully obvious you do not understand CTE/Pro One. Yet, you post ignorance as fact. Rather embarrassing frankly. If you're not smart or competent enough to understand the system; or you're stroke isn't straight enough to hit shots when you're precisely on the aim line; or you're too lazy to put in the table time to learn the system properly, you should simply refrain from commenting. I suspect it is a combination of all 3.

Patrick, why is it so important for you to come here and act like a fool? You accuse Stan of running a scam, then why don't you explain the possible motivation he has for doing so? You obviously don't know Stan at all, if you did, you'd realize just how stupid that accusation is. He is one of the finer people I've ever met. You also must have zero understanding of the costs involved in producing a quality DVD such that he has ... twice. He certainly cannot be doing it for the money. And how do you explain all the high level players that are using his system, none of which you could hope to compete with? Do you think he is taking further losses by paying them big endorsements? I hope for your sake you can't be that stupid. It does appear, however, you are that jealous. How embarrassing. You consider yourself to be knowledgeable about the game of pool but you are proving your knowledge is extremely limited.

 

[poolhustler]

I know very little about aiming systems, but curious about one thing.

What is the percentage of pro players (top level) that use an aiming system compared to those who do not?

 

[nobcitypool]

Why, oh why do you guys even acknowledge Thaiger's existence? He is nothing more than a Troll and not even a witty one at that. I have no idea why the Mods here tolerate his presence as he clearly contributes ZERO to the site and is the source of constant bickering. Put him on ignore and feel your enjoyment factor of the site increase instantly.