Jeannette

[pharaoh68]

Wow! Its kinda funny how when someone sounds off on Earl, no one seems to care. But as soon as someone says something about the beloved Black Widow, he's a bad guy!! have I ever met Jeanette in person? Yes. Was she extraordinarily friendly? No.

Have I met her many times? No because nowadays, as Scott Lee said earlier, she won't show up at most places for less than $10K. In fact, (and I know I've told this story before) but about two years ago, Mr. T. who used to play in my local room put up a LOT of cash out of pocket to hold a small tournament for the ladies at said room. Everyone was there: Allison Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter, Karen Corr, Julie Kelly, Vivian Villareal, Kim Shaw, Tiffany Nelson, Jennifer Baretta, and more! Everyone showed up to play! And everyone had a great time. But Jeanette was absent and why? Because no one would pony up the $10k for her appearance.

My other gripe with her is the overenthusiasm at the table pumping her fist with each win and shouting "Yes!!" and things like that. To me, that's just not professional when you have an opponent sitting ten feet away from you who does NOT do that sort of thing in your face.

No one said she couldn't market herself, but if you're going to have a special on a pool player, make it one on a dominant force that is ever-present on the leaderboard, not in the media.

And besides... when did it become an issue for someone to voice their opinion on a given subject?

 

[TheBook]

Jeanette is a great player and knows how to promote herself. As far as watching her play it is not a most do. She would be a better pool player ifshe wore flat shoes and did something to keep her hair out of her face. She seems to be always flipping her hair and not putting enough concentration into her shot. She is too much into her sex appeal.

If I want to watch sex I get porn, don't need to do it thru pool.

 

[pharaoh68]

Well, she did well in the Worlds 14.1 tournament, she has a high run of 152, shes won plenty of titles both major and regular. That's pretty good in my book.

Granted I don't think she is as good as Allison or Karen, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't be hyped.

I'm not saying that she shouldn't be hyped (and let me be the first to thank you for being the only one thus far to disagree without jumping down my throat for expressing my opinion). All I am saying is that I would have hoped that if one wanted to showcase or highlight a certain player, they would focus on a player that is not only a more dominant force on the tour, but someone who also is a bit less abbrassive in character at the table. (I for one am not a fan of the constant fist pumping and things of that nature!)

But again, this is just my opinion . Perhaps I should have phrased it better in my initial post. I was never saying that Jeanette is a terrible human being. I was saying (as I did in my last post) that based on my experiences, she is not as friendly as say Allison, Karen, Julie, Monica, or Helena. And as far as showcasing a professional player of any kind, make it one of the best! Otherwise, its like watching a marathon of Anna Kournikova's 5th-10th place finishes.

 

[tedkaufman]

Wow! Its kinda funny how when someone sounds off on Earl, no one seems to care. But as soon as someone says something about the beloved Black Widow, he's a bad guy!! have I ever met Jeanette in person? Yes. Was she extraordinarily friendly? No.

Have I met her many times? No because nowadays, as Scott Lee said earlier, she won't show up at most places for less than $10K. In fact, (and I know I've told this story before) but about two years ago, Mr. T. who used to play in my local room put up a LOT of cash out of pocket to hold a small tournament for the ladies at said room. Everyone was there: Allison Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter, Karen Corr, Julie Kelly, Vivian Villareal, Kim Shaw, Tiffany Nelson, Jennifer Baretta, and more! Everyone showed up to play! And everyone had a great time. But Jeanette was absent and why? Because no one would pony up the $10k for her appearance.

My other gripe with her is the overenthusiasm at the table pumping her fist with each win and shouting "Yes!!" and things like that. To me, that's just not professional when you have an opponent sitting ten feet away from you who does NOT do that sort of thing in your face.

No one said she couldn't market herself, but if you're going to have a special on a pool player, make it one on a dominant force that is ever-present on the leaderboard, not in the media.

And besides... when did it become an issue for someone to voice their opinion on a given subject?

When people sound off about Earl, it's usually because his asinine behavior warrants it. Jeanette has never--absolutely NEVER--been any but a credit to the sport. I've known Jeanette since she was 15. We used to play frequently at Chelsea Billiards. She was dedicted, poised and mature then, and she's only improved over time.

If she snubbed you, that's a shame. I can certainly understand why she did.

As for why she didn't show up for Mr. T's tournament, did it ever occur to you that such a busy lady might have other engagements or plans? If she asks for and gets $10k per appearance, might it enter your limited thinking that she is highly in demand and achieved her asking price based on demand?

Jeanette's displays of passion during matches only reflects her drive. And how is that a bad thing? Moreover, thousands, maybe millions, of fans identify with her. Additionally, I guarantee her fellow WPBA members appreciate and respect her and do not mind at all her histrionics. They know what she brings to their sport--attention and recognition, from which they all benefit.

I say, as one who knows Jeanette well, more power to her. She is a wonderful person of the highest integrity and character. If she wasn't impressed with you, don't blame her, look inward.

 

[Williebetmore]

But again, this is just my opinion . .

P-man,
Not to resort to semantics, but I think most people are objecting to your "head in the clouds" statement. You stated it as a fact, and that it was your opinion was she should get her head out of it. Its obvious most would disagree with you on that point.

I was unaware of any friction between your Mr. T and JL; I thought they were friends (were they not all spied recently at dinner with SJM???). I think you may be reaching. Jeanette's contributions to charity are above reproach; she contributes more time and energy than any other pool player by far - no opinion, just fact.

P.S. - You are definitely entitled to your opinion of any player. Her style is definitely not for everyone (but many certainly enjoy it).

 

[RottenRodney]

Jeannette Lee is an absolute credit to the game--it is she who should be in the Hall of Fame instead of some who are. Did the last operation improve her back condition at all?

 

[Williebetmore]

Jeannette Lee is an absolute credit to the game--it is she who should be in the Hall of Fame instead of some who are. Did the last operation improve her back condition at all?

Rotten-man,
No, I believe the last surgery was to prevent further lower spine curvature; I was told that the surgery did nothing to correct the chronic, severe pain. FWIW.

 

[Craig Fales]

I for one enjoy how much drive she has...to play at the level she does with the back problems is commendable...she does get a little hyper though...I recall a match on ESPN where she hits her head on the lens of a camera... ...you can see her rub her and give the camera a WTF look...LOLz....and she does come across a little heavy with the drama...overall I like her game and definately doesn't have her head in the clouds....

JM2C
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[9 Ball Girl]

Just for the record, my "snore" comment in my first post was not intended for Jeanette. It was intended to the monotonous reruns of ESPN and yes, I know that at least they're showing pool. I've met Jeanette several times and she is an ultra cool person. Here's a pic of me and Jeanette in my happier days of pool:

 

[pharaoh68]

I was unaware of any friction between your Mr. T and JL; I thought they were friends (were they not all spied recently at dinner with SJM???). I think you may be reaching.

P.S. - You are definitely entitled to your opinion of any player. Her style is definitely not for everyone (but many certainly enjoy it).

Willie-

I NEVER said that there was any bad blood between T and Jeanette. I simply said that while others showed up and were happy to compete in a tournament where every player got paid regardless of how one finished (unlike most other tourneys) Jeanette decided that since it didn't fit the $10k requirement, she wouldn't show.

To all else-
Look, its painfully obvious that everyone here has a great deal of love and respect for Jeanette and that my negative opinion of her is like a slap in all of your faces. I'm not sure why as most of you are defending a woman you either barely know or don't know at all. You have your opinions and I have mine. Why am I out of line simply because I disagree with you? I don't think I'll ever be able to understand that logic, primarily because no one has yet been able to explain it. Regardless, since I offended all of you, I apologize. Jeanette rules!

 

[60inchcueguy]

I have never met Jeanette, but she seems like a nice person. BTW, I liked the corn-rows.

 

[Scott Lee]

I'm not saying that she shouldn't be hyped (and let me be the first to thank you for being the only one thus far to disagree without jumping down my throat for expressing my opinion).

pharoah...I didn't jump down your throat! I merely stated that JL gets the highest exhibition fee. She obviouisly has earned it, or she wouldn't be getting it. I'm sure she plays in the tournaments she wants to, and is able to attend. Just because she doesn't "show up" to one event, where "everyone else" did, doesn't make her a bad person. The fact that people know and recognise terms like "the Black Widow", "that black-haired girl", "that chinese girl" (incorrect because she's Korean ancestry), or "Jeanette Lee", is a positive influence on women's pool, and pool in general.

Scott Lee ~ wishes he could ask for $10K and get it! LOL
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[pharaoh68]

pharoah...I didn't jump down your throat! I merely stated that JL gets the highest exhibition fee. She obviouisly has earned it, or she wouldn't be getting it. I'm sure she plays in the tournaments she wants to, and is able to attend. Just because she doesn't "show up" to one event, where "everyone else" did, doesn't make her a bad person. The fact that people know and recognise terms like "the Black Widow", "that black-haired girl", "that chinese girl" (incorrect because she's Korean ancestry), or "Jeanette Lee", is a positive influence on women's pool, and pool in general.

Scott Lee ~ wishes he could ask for $10K and get it! LOL
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott-
I stand corrected. You too did not jump down my throat and I appreciate that.

But I do still firmly believe that the fact that she gets the $10,000 she asks for is not indicative of her being a powehouse poolplayer as much as it is a complete refelction of her popularity. Again, I'll compare this to Anna Kournikova. Very popular but let's face it! She is by NO means the best in the game. And when the cream of the crop say "Yeah! We'll be there because T is our friend and it should be a good time" while she sits at home and says "Despite the fact that T is my friend, I didn't get my $10k so I ain't showing", well, that says something about her in my eyes.

 

[wahcheck]

pharoah...I didn't jump down your throat! I merely stated that JL gets the highest exhibition fee. She obviouisly has earned it, or she wouldn't be getting it. I'm sure she plays in the tournaments she wants to, and is able to attend. Just because she doesn't "show up" to one event, where "everyone else" did, doesn't make her a bad person. The fact that people know and recognise terms like "the Black Widow", "that black-haired girl", "that chinese girl" (incorrect because she's Korean ancestry), or "Jeanette Lee", is a positive influence on women's pool, and pool in general.

Scott Lee ~ wishes he could ask for $10K and get it! LOL
www.poolknowledge.com

Until this thread, I didn't know Jeannette gets a $10K appearance fee....WOW! I am very happy for her....I remember reading about how hard she worked to promote herself at the beginning and obviously it has paid off....She also said that other women players did not appreciate her approach to self-promotion initially, but it was what she believed was necessary to make a decent living at this game she loves...If more of the women players worked as hard as she does at self-promotion and promotion of Pool, I think that pool would benefit even more from it.......GO, JEANNETTE!

 

[MVPCues]

Scott-
I stand corrected. You too did not jump down my throat and I appreciate that.

But I do still firmly believe that the fact that she gets the $10,000 she asks for is not indicative of her being a powehouse poolplayer as much as it is a complete refelction of her popularity. Again, I'll compare this to Anna Kournikova. Very popular but let's face it! She is by NO means the best in the game. And when the cream of the crop say "Yeah! We'll be there because T is our friend and it should be a good time" while she sits at home and says "Despite the fact that T is my friend, I didn't get my $10k so I ain't showing", well, that says something about her in my eyes.

Your comparison to Anna Kournikova is very weak. Anna Kournikova has won 0 titles. That is zero, not a single title. There is absolutely no comparison in terms of what caliber of player they are in their respective sport.
Kelly

 

[ragbug74]

Scott-
...while she sits at home and says "Despite the fact that T is my friend, I didn't get my $10k so I ain't showing", well, that says something about her in my eyes.

So you've confirmed that this is the reason she didn't attend said tournament and it wasn't any type of schedule conflict or prior engagement?

FYI...I've defended Earl several times over the years on this board as have many others. An Earl discussion based on his bad behaviors is a totally different discussion than what you've started here with JL.

Your username tagline says it all.

 

[rackem]

Scott-
I stand corrected. You too did not jump down my throat and I appreciate that.

But I do still firmly believe that the fact that she gets the $10,000 she asks for is not indicative of her being a powehouse poolplayer as much as it is a complete refelction of her popularity. Again, I'll compare this to Anna Kournikova. Very popular but let's face it! She is by NO means the best in the game. And when the cream of the crop say "Yeah! We'll be there because T is our friend and it should be a good time" while she sits at home and says "Despite the fact that T is my friend, I didn't get my $10k so I ain't showing", well, that says something about her in my eyes.

Do you have any first hand knowledge that she sat at home because of appearence money. Maybe she just had a prior commitment. Jeanette does not get show-up money just to be at tournaments. The 10,000 fee rumor is for other private advertising appearences.

 

[pharaoh68]

The room I shoot in is a fairly small room. 14 tables. We all know each other. When one person knows one thing, we all know it. And the story was that Jeanette outright admitted that she couldn't show without the appearance fee. Now maybe this isn't true. And if so, I'm the a$$-hole and I'll let you know where I'll be staying at Derby City or Valley Forge next year and you can all come and burn me at the stake.

I have my opinions of the girl and they are just that: both mine and opinions! You all seem to love her and for that I have not once blasted any of you. You have an opinion and though it differs from mine, I respect it. And since it is clear than most of you cannot respect anyone whose opinion differs from yours, I'm done disagreeing with you.

I like Jeanette Lee. She is a good Person. I am happy that she plays pool.

 

[Williebetmore]

So you've confirmed that this is the reason she didn't attend said tournament and it wasn't any type of schedule conflict or prior engagement?

FYI...I've defended Earl several times over the years on this board as have many others. An Earl discussion based on his bad behaviors is a totally different discussion than what you've started here with JL.

Your username tagline says it all.

Bug-man,
Perhaps you are being too hard on the pharoah - though its hard to imagine that his version is anything more than fantasy.

I'm sure we're all waiting excitedly for his next expose's on why Arnold Palmer is so bad for golf, why Cal Ripken is such a bad role model, and why Bill Russell was so overrated.

P.S. - Disagreeing with someone is not "jumping down their throat", it is an inevitable and expected outcome of posting your views (and imaginary conversations) on the forum. Those that can't stand the heat will not avoid it by complaining.

 

[wahcheck]

Do you have any first hand knowledge that she sat at home because of appearence money. Maybe she just had a prior commitment. Jeanette does not get show-up money just to be at tournaments. The 10,000 fee rumor is for other private advertising appearences.

This reminds me of the big stink the media played up about Joe Montana not showing up at a recent Super Bowl...they alleged that he wouldn't show up unless he got a $100K fee.....I agree with what you say....How does Pharoah know that Jeannette decided not to show because they wouldn't give her $10K?