Joe Tucker in Texas - The "Inside" Perspective

[CJ Wiley]

I spent a few hours with Joe Tucker last night sharing ideas and woke up today "mentally revitalized". Joe is a really logical, down to earth guy and it's a pleasure getting to know him on a more personal level.

His knowledge and "pool IQ" are impressive and I believe he will make some instrumental breakthroughs in the near future. He's currently working on some "cutting edge" projects and I encourage you to follow his progress the next month, and get involved if possible.

When I first introduced the 'Touch of Inside" Technique Joe was one of the few that caught on to what it was immediately - he wrote a post describing the system that showed me right away he processed information about pool on a very high level.

Joe's a pioneer who brought to light certain aspects of the game that changed how the game's played.....and now he's promoting another type game that I'm sure you'll be hearing more and more about in the next 30 days. I look forward to hearing more about his current project and how the 64 participating pool rooms are benefiting.

It's refreshing to see someone traveling around making a real difference in the future of pool and I want to thank Joe for being one of the games true frontiersmen.

'The Game is Our Teacher'

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

... He's currently working on some "cutting edge" projects....

Please tell me they don't involve swords. :grin-square:

All kidding aside, have you played American Rotation much? I think it's a kick-ass game, both to play and to watch. Sounds like a great league game as well, what with the awarding of points like APA does in 9-ball. Only this makes sense, rather than making an existing game into something which it isn't. I've never been interested in APA 9-ball, but if there was an AR league to start at my local room I'd be first in line to join it.:smile:

 

[CJ Wiley]

I think that is the most interesting element of pool....period!!!

Please tell me they don't involve swords. :grin-square:

All kidding aside, have you played American Rotation much? I think it's a kick-ass game, both to play and to watch. Sounds like a great league game as well, what with the awarding of points like APA does in 9-ball. Only this makes sense, rather than making an existing game into something which it isn't. I've never been interested in APA 9-ball, but if there was an AR league to start at my local room I'd be first in line to join it.:smile:

American Rotation sounds like an interesting concept, we also shared our thoughts on different types of games.....I lean more towards enhancing the "battle" elements of pool, and not the necessarily the "running out".....like Buddy Hall told me "you gotta make em wrestle you for that first shot"....and I think that is the most interesting element of pool....period!!!

 

[The Renfro]

American Rotation sounds like an interesting concept, we also shared our thoughts on different types of games.....I lean more towards enhancing the "battle" elements of pool, and not the necessarily the "running out".....like Buddy Hall told me "you gotta make em wrestle you for that first shot"....and I think that is the most interesting element of pool....period!!!

Not sure that the wrestling aspect is what would make pool interesting on TV... Bad beats and long odds put butt's in front of the TV for many sports... I "think" I have the format that would work... Just have to figure out the logistics of making it a reality.....

Chris

 

[CJ Wiley]

taken out the best factors and extenuated the most boring qualities of pool

Not sure that the wrestling aspect is what would make pool interesting on TV... Bad beats and long odds put butt's in front of the TV for many sports... I "think" I have the format that would work... Just have to figure out the logistics of making it a reality.....

Chris

People like the competitive element....the "battle" is what we've taken out of pool and what should be the emphasis. One Foul Pool is boring, there's no strategy, either you try to "run out" or you try to play safe.....that's it!!!, no strategy, it's more like bowling now. I can't even bribe myself to watch a pool match anymore. :groucho:

Tennis, Basketball, Golf, Boxing, Football, Baseball, Hockey, MMA, NASCAR, Wrestling etc ....they ALL have this element and know how to bring it out. "People" (unintentionally) in the pool world through the years have taken out the best factors and extenuated the most boring qualities of pool in the name of "speeding up the tournaments" and "evening the playing fields" and "making it better for TV" - the ironic part is they've accomplished the exact opposite and it's not even on TV. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Cdryden]

Joe's a neat guy. I was impressed at his ability to teach from the moment I saw his Racking secrets video. He has a uncomplicated way about him that really helps when relaying information.

No ego, no bs, just straight talk and I really appreciate that. Joe seems to be one of the good guys in the business.

 

[obrien714]

I agree.

Joe's a neat guy. I was impressed at his ability to teach from the moment I saw his Racking secrets video. He has a uncomplicated way about him that really helps when relaying information.

No ego, no bs, just straight talk and I really appreciate that. Joe seems to be one of the good guys in the business.

Some times the genius teachers are the ones that keep it simple and uncomplicated. I think Joe and Cj both have that knack.

 

[One Pocket John]

Good post.

I like Joe, have seen many of his videos. Looking forward to his next installment.

Thanks for posting CJ.

By the way, have been practicing everyday with the hammer stroke and TOI since introduced last November. Thanks man.

John :smile:

 

[Dunnn51]

]American Rotation sounds like an interesting concept,[/B] we also shared our thoughts on different types of games.....I lean more towards enhancing the "battle" elements of pool, and not the necessarily the "running out".....like Buddy Hall told me "you gotta make em wrestle you for that first shot"....and I think that is the most interesting element of pool....period!!!

Playing a small ring game with 2 of my talented team-mates while waiting for the other team to show up last session in league. They wanted me to pick the game. I had to think fast and came up with call pocket 15 ball rotation. 1 pt for the balls 1-9,.... 2pts for the 10-15 balls. Called it 21 and they loved it!!! Played a somewhat quick game to 50 points,(once they learned to play good defense in this game it slowed down). Then the game would pick up speed fast as someone would get the run-out.

They BOTH liked how it got us mentally ready to play matches, and suggested without my propping that we play it again in the future. :thumbup:

 

[Joe T]

Thanks for the post CJ but it was truly MY pleasure to have spent time with you. How many people have this guy’s experience? Road player, tournament champion, successful room owner, pro tour/player promoter, organizer, televised events. The list goes on with him but the bottom line he is a very passionate person and loves pool as much as anyone we know. He “Talks” a lot here but the man is a DOER.
In just a few hours he made me a smarter and better person. Thanks for sharing CJ, only wish I had more time!

 

[CJ Wiley]

a lot of new one pocket shots.

Good post.

I like Joe, have seen many of his videos. Looking forward to his next installment.

Thanks for posting CJ.

By the way, have been practicing everyday with the hammer stroke and TOI since introduced last November. Thanks man.

John :smile:

Glad to hear that, I hope you enjoyed the Banking Secrets as well, it should give you some ideas on a lot of new one pocket shots.

 

[Baxter]

I remember reading Joe's article on the "blueprints before the foundation" of pool. It was revolutionary for me being that was exactly how I was thinking. I'd taken a lesson or two, but the instructor was very old school in the way that you need to master center ball stop shots for 2 years before you can learn english. It didn't float my boat, and I didn't believe that is how the game was played, and not how it should be learned. Joe's article reinforced that for me. I was so excited I showed the instructor the article, and they got so pissed they wouldn't talk to me for a long time. Good riddance.

Some people are stuck in the same old way of doing things, and refuse to open their mind to new and revolutionary concepts. Joe is not one of those people. I wish I lived closer to Joe, as I would love to take some lessons from him.

 

[fathomblue]

I've spent time with CJ, own all his instructionals, and have to say that he's top notch. Blunt......but, top notch. (Be prepared to spend a lot of time racking, if you get the chance to share the table with him, btw. It's pretty spooky at times as to how zoned in he can be......there, I've knocked your action, CJ. )

I've haven't had the pleasure of meeting Joe yet, but I own pretty much all of his stuff, as well (except that big wooden stroke-trainer thingie, I believe). I have to echo what someone else said, but in my own way. His videos, and even manuals, are like he's talking straight to you. Just another guy that happens to know more about pool than you do, but is excited to show you how to be a better player.

No fluff. Just you and him in a pool room working on stuff together. That's what really makes me enjoy reviewing his material.

Hopefully CJ and Joe can get together for some sort of project that will benefit us all one day.

 

[CJ Wiley]

American Rotation - New Pool Room - Champion Players in DFW TEXAS

Thanks for the post CJ but it was truly MY pleasure to have spent time with you. How many people have this guy’s experience? Road player, tournament champion, successful room owner, pro tour/player promoter, organizer, televised events. The list goes on with him but the bottom line he is a very passionate person and loves pool as much as anyone we know. He “Talks” a lot here but the man is a DOER.
In just a few hours he made me a smarter and better person. Thanks for sharing CJ, only wish I had more time!

Sometimes the best thing I can do for my game is have a high level discussion about the Game and really listen to knowledgeable players like yourself. That happened for me last night listening to you describe your new game and some of the challenges you were facing. Developing any type of new business or concept takes trial and error and lot's of brainstorming sessions.

I'm excited about opening up a new pool room and hope you can come down and see it after it's open, Joe, we'll certainly use your new American Rotation game. The finished product and the participation of the 64 Billiard/Pool Rooms should be in "full swing" by our Grand Opening date.

We plan on having all DIAMOND tables with a few Gold Crowns and I especially want a 10' Table to practice on again. I had a 10' table for 17 years in my last pool room, CJ's Billiard Palace and it did a lot for my game.....I believe it's the ideal size for Professional Players.

I know Earl Strickland agrees, I'm going to meet up with him in North Carolina in 2 weeks.....he'll be one of my Premiere guest players and we plan on introducing pool back to Dallas/Ft. Worth in a big way and start Televising Billiard shows again right away. Hopefully Rodney, Corey, Johnny, Buddy, Sigel, David H, Dennis Hatch and many more Champion players can make DFW Texas a regular stop in 2014.

Thanks again, Joe, you're always welcome and I look forward to our next meeting. Play Well 'The Game is Our Teacher'

 

[Paul Schofield]

"you gotta make em wrestle you for that first shot"....and I think that is the most interesting element of pool....period!!!

CJ, You have got to do something here. You have got to find out. You will never find out here. You have to get your hands dirty and sell it to all the players in a room somewhere and/or run an event with it. Get it in action. Find out what it means. Find out if it is fun and interesting. Find out if it has legs.

I fully understand what you are talking about. "Pool needs a new dynamic." We agree.

There are an infintesimal number of ways to get this done. It is going to take a lot of imagination, some luck, and a number of trial and errors to get there.

 

[CJ Wiley]

'The Game is the Greatest Teacher of All"

CJ, You have got to do something here. You have got to find out. You will never find out here. You have to get your hands dirty and sell it to all the players in a room somewhere and/or run an event with it. Get it in action. Find out what it means. Find out if it is fun and interesting. Find out if it has legs.

I fully understand what you are talking about. "Pool needs a new dynamic." We agree.

There are an infintesimal number of ways to get this done. It is going to take a lot of imagination, some luck, and a number of trial and errors to get there.

The rules of pool have eliminated most of the strategy and that, in my opinion is the best aspect of the game. 9 Ball/10 Ball are just "watered down" versions of the original game. I understand the reason for Texas Express Rules and speeding up amateur tournaments is fine and dandy, however, the core element of the Game was stripped in the process.

2 Shot Shoot Out Rules put the strategy back in and with some adjustments it can revitalize the game again. I would watch pool with these rules, but I honestly can't watch it the way it's played now. Watching someone run out rack after rack on fast cloth has no appeal to me personally. There's thousands of players that can do this, so it's more like a three foot putt in golf....it's essential, of course, but not exciting at all.

I have an idea of how to re introduce the SHOOT OUT RULES in another way that's never been done before, and it incorporates all the best aspects of the Game and reduces the boring/mundane aspects at the same time.

I'm excited about pool again, and seeing it played in the purest form as it was intended will be a great pleasure - one I've been missing in my life for a LONG TIME!

'The Game is the Greatest Teacher of All"

 

[Mikjary]

The rules of pool have eliminated most of the strategy and that, in my opinion is the best aspect of the game. 9 Ball/10 Ball are just "watered down" versions of the original game. I understand the reason for Texas Express Rules and speeding up amateur tournaments is fine and dandy, however, the core element of the Game was stripped in the process.

2 Shot Shoot Out Rules put the strategy back in and with some adjustments it can revitalize the game again. I would watch pool with these rules, but I honestly can't watch it the way it's played now. Watching someone run out rack after rack on fast cloth has no appeal to me personally. There's thousands of players that can do this, so it's more like a three foot putt in golf....it's essential, of course, but not exciting at all.
I have an idea of how to re introduce the SHOOT OUT RULES in another way that's never been done before, and it incorporates all the best aspects of the Game and reduces the boring/mundane aspects at the same time.

I'm excited about pool again, and seeing it played in the purest form as it was intended will be a great pleasure - one I've been missing in my life for a LONG TIME!

'The Game is the Greatest Teacher of All"

While we're considering changes, how about putting a bug in someone's ear at Simonis to create a cloth that isn't so slippery fast. Bring the power stroke back into the game. Slow rolling and babying balls just plain sucks!

Best,
Mike

 

[Pushout]

The rules of pool have eliminated most of the strategy and that, in my opinion is the best aspect of the game. 9 Ball/10 Ball are just "watered down" versions of the original game. I understand the reason for Texas Express Rules and speeding up amateur tournaments is fine and dandy, however, the core element of the Game was stripped in the process.

2 Shot Shoot Out Rules put the strategy back in and with some adjustments it can revitalize the game again. I would watch pool with these rules, but I honestly can't watch it the way it's played now. Watching someone run out rack after rack on fast cloth has no appeal to me personally. There's thousands of players that can do this, so it's more like a three foot putt in golf....it's essential, of course, but not exciting at all.

I have an idea of how to re introduce the SHOOT OUT RULES in another way that's never been done before, and it incorporates all the best aspects of the Game and reduces the boring/mundane aspects at the same time.

I'm excited about pool again, and seeing it played in the purest form as it was intended will be a great pleasure - one I've been missing in my life for a LONG TIME!

'The Game is the Greatest Teacher of All"

Finally, someone actually gets it!! I'll be watching with bait on my breath but I've said before, if you change the 9 ball rules people will stop playing it in droves. I think the shoot out rules are too complicated for the current 9 ball players to grasp. It has to be simple enough for them to not have to think too much I really, really hope this game will work out. I have a ton on respect for both you and Joe, good luck!

 

[CJ Wiley]

We wonder why the Billiard Industry is down almost 50% in the last few years???

While we're considering changes, how about putting a bug in someone's ear at Simonis to create a cloth that isn't so slippery fast. Bring the power stroke back into the game. Slow rolling and babying balls just plain sucks! View attachment 292931

Best,
Mike

Yes, by the way, who's idea was it to take the stroke AND the stategy out of pool?

I mean really, the game is at 20% of it's potential instead of 100% (because of the rules, equipment and taking out the stroke/strategy elements) - we wonder why the popularity is down over 10% a year ... hmmm - is this really so difficult to figure out?

Is there really any doubt that diluting the product to 20% has something to do with it? Pool is "The Master Game" and right now it's "The Mundane Game".

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[One Pocket John]

I guess this is why I don't play 9 ball.

One Pocket or 14.1 hasn't changed. Still nothing but tactics and being able to run a few balls.

Good post :smile:

John