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Go Joey Go!!!
This is for -5-6th place in the White Diamonds tournament! JoeyA is HOT!!!
Go Joey Go!!!
This is for -5-6th place in the White Diamonds tournament! JoeyA is HOT!!!
JoeyA vs James Walden LIVE right now
- Thread starter Terry Ardeno
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Nice playing Joey! No ball bangers in that tournament, and I would just feel good about not going two and out.
In the last set, seemed like the balls didnt roll your way off the break shot. I think you only had one clean shot on the one ball after yours or your opponents breaks and you ran that table out.
Again, nice playing and it was enjoyable to put a face to the name.
In the last set, seemed like the balls didnt roll your way off the break shot. I think you only had one clean shot on the one ball after yours or your opponents breaks and you ran that table out.
Again, nice playing and it was enjoyable to put a face to the name.
Max Erbele & Sylver Ochoa
You are very observant. The ball spread after the break and the subsequent rolls during the match are very important to determining who has a chance to win a short race.
Except for when I was breaking, James Walden controlled the set from the get-go. Well, almost. I guess my break and run on the first game of the set, got him in the right mood.
He played me tough and hard the whole set and when I missed a couple of balls, it was all over. Out of all of the players I faced those two days and nights, James played me the toughest. Some of the others just got some bad rolls and failed to capitalize when I gave them the opportunity to close the door on me.
Randy Cole spanked me pretty good but my excuse was, I was tired. :grin:
I was breaking extremely well throughout the tournament using my hybrid BK2 butt and OB break shaft. I think I may have scratched a time or two when I played James as well and you can't do that against a top player like James. I don't remember scratching on the break even one time throughout the tournament except maybe during the Walden match.
While I made balls on the break, I also made only ONE 9 ball on the break during the entire two days and nights of play.
It's a great bar table tournament for those who like that sort of thing. They could have paid a little deeper in the tournament but Chris Miller apparently knows what it takes to make one of the best if not the best bar table tournament in the country. $40,000.00 about three times a year. $40 entry fee so bangers like me can go and play the real champions of the world. How can you not like that?
On another note, I was walking around the huge parking lot and saw a few RV's parked out back. I had to put the seat back on my Toyota Tacoma to catch some Z's.
A big thank you goes out to Max Erbele who I went to for counsel. I was exhausted and was having trouble focusing and asked Sylver Ochoa and Max what could I do at the late stage in the tournament to revive myself and they reminded me that if I had enough time to take a nap, I should do that. Sometimes you forget to do certain things when you get tired but I went out and put the seat back and closed my eyes for over an hour. I took another suggestion from Max and did some deep breathing exercises and when I played Jerry Slivka, it was ALL GOOD, even the rolls seemed to improve for me.
Another big thank you has to go the forum members who contributed so generously to the thread about playing on bar tables a few days ago. I made good use of all of the suggestions and even had them printed out and I shared them with a friend on the ride to White Diamonds. He had a good run in the tournament and benefited from the suggestions as well.
I doubt if I will ever get such fortunate rolls and play as well as I did ever again, but it was a memorable tournament.
All of my opponents deserve kudos (except for one or two who will remain nameless until my memoirs are published :grin-devilish
for their gentlemanly play, especially Gary Abood, who suffered through some terrible rolls for him and some great rolls for me, yet never moved a muscle while I was at the table or mentioned an ill word. Gary showed a LOT of CLASS losing to a banger like me hill-hill and I truly am a banger when compared to guys like Gary. I'll tell you another thing if you don't think I was lucky this weekend. Before I left, Buffalo Billiards had a player's auction for THE MASTERS golf tournament and I bought Phil for $75. I never buy into those auctions but I just had a feeling that Phil was due. The stars aligned themselves to the tune of $1400 and all was well in JoeyA world, so if you are ever wondering how it would be to come to Louisiana to play some of the BEST POOL PLAYERS in the world, you can do it at White Diamonds and there are PLENTY of not so good players who come to try their luck at the $40,000.00 bar table tournament which happens about every 4 momths. It's a fun experience and one that you should set aside a weekend to play in it one day. Hell, even DirtyBob,Jr drove down from Kansas to play in the tournament. And no, I'm not giving you wany weight Bob. Big Truck spilled the beans on your game. :wink::yes:
JoeyA
You are very observant. The ball spread after the break and the subsequent rolls during the match are very important to determining who has a chance to win a short race.
Except for when I was breaking, James Walden controlled the set from the get-go. Well, almost. I guess my break and run on the first game of the set, got him in the right mood.
He played me tough and hard the whole set and when I missed a couple of balls, it was all over. Out of all of the players I faced those two days and nights, James played me the toughest. Some of the others just got some bad rolls and failed to capitalize when I gave them the opportunity to close the door on me.Randy Cole spanked me pretty good but my excuse was, I was tired. :grin:
I was breaking extremely well throughout the tournament using my hybrid BK2 butt and OB break shaft. I think I may have scratched a time or two when I played James as well and you can't do that against a top player like James. I don't remember scratching on the break even one time throughout the tournament except maybe during the Walden match.
While I made balls on the break, I also made only ONE 9 ball on the break during the entire two days and nights of play.
It's a great bar table tournament for those who like that sort of thing. They could have paid a little deeper in the tournament but Chris Miller apparently knows what it takes to make one of the best if not the best bar table tournament in the country. $40,000.00 about three times a year. $40 entry fee so bangers like me can go and play the real champions of the world. How can you not like that?
On another note, I was walking around the huge parking lot and saw a few RV's parked out back. I had to put the seat back on my Toyota Tacoma to catch some Z's.
A big thank you goes out to Max Erbele who I went to for counsel. I was exhausted and was having trouble focusing and asked Sylver Ochoa and Max what could I do at the late stage in the tournament to revive myself and they reminded me that if I had enough time to take a nap, I should do that. Sometimes you forget to do certain things when you get tired but I went out and put the seat back and closed my eyes for over an hour. I took another suggestion from Max and did some deep breathing exercises and when I played Jerry Slivka, it was ALL GOOD, even the rolls seemed to improve for me.
Another big thank you has to go the forum members who contributed so generously to the thread about playing on bar tables a few days ago. I made good use of all of the suggestions and even had them printed out and I shared them with a friend on the ride to White Diamonds. He had a good run in the tournament and benefited from the suggestions as well.
I doubt if I will ever get such fortunate rolls and play as well as I did ever again, but it was a memorable tournament.
All of my opponents deserve kudos (except for one or two who will remain nameless until my memoirs are published :grin-devilish
for their gentlemanly play, especially Gary Abood, who suffered through some terrible rolls for him and some great rolls for me, yet never moved a muscle while I was at the table or mentioned an ill word. Gary showed a LOT of CLASS losing to a banger like me hill-hill and I truly am a banger when compared to guys like Gary. I'll tell you another thing if you don't think I was lucky this weekend. Before I left, Buffalo Billiards had a player's auction for THE MASTERS golf tournament and I bought Phil for $75. I never buy into those auctions but I just had a feeling that Phil was due. The stars aligned themselves to the tune of $1400 and all was well in JoeyA world, so if you are ever wondering how it would be to come to Louisiana to play some of the BEST POOL PLAYERS in the world, you can do it at White Diamonds and there are PLENTY of not so good players who come to try their luck at the $40,000.00 bar table tournament which happens about every 4 momths. It's a fun experience and one that you should set aside a weekend to play in it one day. Hell, even DirtyBob,Jr drove down from Kansas to play in the tournament. And no, I'm not giving you wany weight Bob. Big Truck spilled the beans on your game. :wink::yes:JoeyA
You are very observant. The ball spread after the break and the subsequent rolls during the match are very important to determining who has a chance to win a short race.
Except for when I was breaking, James Walden controlled the set from the get-go. Well, almost. I guess my break and run on the first game of the set, got him in the right mood.
Randy Cole spanked me pretty good but my excuse was, I was tired. :grin:
I was breaking extremely well throughout the tournament using my hybrid BK2 butt and OB break shaft. I think I may have scratched a time or two when I played James as well and you can't do that against a top player like James. I don't remember scratching on the break even one time throughout the tournament except maybe during the Walden match.
While I made balls on the break, I also made only ONE 9 ball on the break during the entire two days and nights of play.
It's a great bar table tournament for those who like that sort of thing. They could have paid a little deeper in the tournament but Chris Miller apparently knows what it takes to make one of the best if not the best bar table tournament in the country. $40,000.00 about three times a year. $40 entry fee so bangers like me can go and play the real champions of the world. How can you not like that?
On another note, I was walking around the huge parking lot and saw a few RV's parked out back. I had to put the seat back on my Toyota Tacoma to catch some Z's.
A big thank you goes out to Max Erbele who I went to for counsel. I was exhausted and was having trouble focusing and asked Sylver Ochoa and Max what could I do at the late stage in the tournament to revive myself and they reminded me that if I had enough time to take a nap, I should do that. Sometimes you forget to do certain things when you get tired but I went out and put the seat back and closed my eyes for over an hour. I took another suggestion from Max and did some deep breathing exercises and when I played Jerry Slivka, it was ALL GOOD, even the rolls seemed to improve for me.
Another big thank you has to go the forum members who contributed so generously to the thread about playing on bar tables a few days ago. I made good use of all of the suggestions and even had them printed out and I shared them with a friend on the ride to White Diamonds. He had a good run in the tournament and benefited from the suggestions as well.
I doubt if I will ever get such fortunate rolls and play as well as I did ever again, but it was a memorable tournament.
All of my opponents deserve kudos (except for one or two who will remain nameless until my memoirs are published :grin-devilish
JoeyA
Nice shootin' Joey! I'm proud of you old man. :thumbup:
I bought a ticket on KJ Choi when I was up in Reno. He went off at 100-1, and I had $10 on him. He had a shot at it but had a couple of bad holes on the back nine. I'm glad Phil won anyway. You can't help but like the guy.
Joey I didn't watch your whole match because it got too late, but I noticed one thing that may have come from the list of tips.
At one point you had the option (from my point of view anyway) to shoot the 4 in the side or the corner. The side, with a touch of speed, would have left you with a nice shot on the 5. But you chose the corner and as a result got a little funny on the 5. You made a nice shot though, flirted with a scratch, but came up with position on the 6.
Did you avoid the side because of the tips you got here? Those side pockets, from the stream point of view at least, looked really brutal compared to most barboxes.
At one point you had the option (from my point of view anyway) to shoot the 4 in the side or the corner. The side, with a touch of speed, would have left you with a nice shot on the 5. But you chose the corner and as a result got a little funny on the 5. You made a nice shot though, flirted with a scratch, but came up with position on the 6.
Did you avoid the side because of the tips you got here? Those side pockets, from the stream point of view at least, looked really brutal compared to most barboxes.
Mastering the exceptions to bar table play!
I avoided the side pockets as much as I could and yes, I applied MANY of the tips learned on the forum in this tournament, especially the break. I used less rails but I would like everyone to know that while all of these tips are fine stuff, I noticed that the TOP players did use English, they did shoot balls in the side pocket, they did play multi-rail shape; but they did this on an as needed basis. The JoeyA "secret" is that you have to "MASTER" the side pockets, the multi-rail shape (including the speed of the cue ball) as well as mastering prudent amounts of English.
It's good to pocket balls in the corner pockets but you have to learn how to pocket balls in the side pockets, also. Don't avoid the side pockets, just be able to utilize them effectively if you have to. Once when I was playing a really good player, I had him 5-1 or maybe 5-2 and I broke and ran out the rack to the 7 ball and the 8 ball was about 6 inches out from the side pocket and I had a choice of shooting the 8 in the corner pocket or playing it in the side pocket. I thought for a minute and said, "There's no way I can screw up shape on the 8 in the side!". I put a little draw and a litte side on the cue ball, hitting the 7 with not too much speed and the draw and the side kicked into high gear and the cue ball came to rest frozen on the 8 ball with not even a decent safety to be played.
:wink: I lost that game and it would have put me on the hill at 6-1 or maybe 6-2. The match longer than it should have but I hung on for a victory nevertheless. I saw TOP PLAYERS lose MANY games because they attempted to shoot balls in the side pockets. You can't afford mistakes in these games. If you MASTER the side pocket shots, use them. If you haven't mastered them, stay the heck away from them.
Oh yeah, the side pockets were brutal. Early on in the tournament even the corner pockets weren't all that generous. I saw quite a few balls shot down the side rails and hit abotu 12" short of the pocket and not go in on the first day. On the second day, with the air conditioning removing moisture from the cloth the corner pockets got more generous. At least that was my observation.
JoeyA
I avoided the side pockets as much as I could and yes, I applied MANY of the tips learned on the forum in this tournament, especially the break. I used less rails but I would like everyone to know that while all of these tips are fine stuff, I noticed that the TOP players did use English, they did shoot balls in the side pocket, they did play multi-rail shape; but they did this on an as needed basis. The JoeyA "secret" is that you have to "MASTER" the side pockets, the multi-rail shape (including the speed of the cue ball) as well as mastering prudent amounts of English.
It's good to pocket balls in the corner pockets but you have to learn how to pocket balls in the side pockets, also. Don't avoid the side pockets, just be able to utilize them effectively if you have to. Once when I was playing a really good player, I had him 5-1 or maybe 5-2 and I broke and ran out the rack to the 7 ball and the 8 ball was about 6 inches out from the side pocket and I had a choice of shooting the 8 in the corner pocket or playing it in the side pocket. I thought for a minute and said, "There's no way I can screw up shape on the 8 in the side!". I put a little draw and a litte side on the cue ball, hitting the 7 with not too much speed and the draw and the side kicked into high gear and the cue ball came to rest frozen on the 8 ball with not even a decent safety to be played.
:wink: I lost that game and it would have put me on the hill at 6-1 or maybe 6-2. The match longer than it should have but I hung on for a victory nevertheless. I saw TOP PLAYERS lose MANY games because they attempted to shoot balls in the side pockets. You can't afford mistakes in these games. If you MASTER the side pocket shots, use them. If you haven't mastered them, stay the heck away from them.Oh yeah, the side pockets were brutal. Early on in the tournament even the corner pockets weren't all that generous. I saw quite a few balls shot down the side rails and hit abotu 12" short of the pocket and not go in on the first day. On the second day, with the air conditioning removing moisture from the cloth the corner pockets got more generous. At least that was my observation.
JoeyA
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another viewer observation...
First, big props to you Joey for your huge play at that heavily stacked tourney. You da' man! :yeah:
I only was able to see a few matches (didn't see any of yours) but was struck by the extreme lack of success players had with their jump shots. In the matches I viewed, I didn't see one successful jump shot, but even worse was that they all either scratched into a pocket or whitey completely bounced off the table. It made me wonder if the lack of control had to do with the shorter landing zones of the barbox tables. Were these guys accustomed to playing on 9 footers and encountered adjustment issues? I guess having watched only a few matches this is not possible to quantify. In three matches, however, I witnessed 5 jump attempts resulting in 4 scratches. And while the 5th was a good hit, it was not close to making it in.
Joey, did you have to break out your jump cue, and if so, how did it go? Also, what about any of your opponents?
Again, congrats on a real nice showing. :thumbup:
Best,
Brian kc
First, big props to you Joey for your huge play at that heavily stacked tourney. You da' man! :yeah:
I only was able to see a few matches (didn't see any of yours) but was struck by the extreme lack of success players had with their jump shots. In the matches I viewed, I didn't see one successful jump shot, but even worse was that they all either scratched into a pocket or whitey completely bounced off the table. It made me wonder if the lack of control had to do with the shorter landing zones of the barbox tables. Were these guys accustomed to playing on 9 footers and encountered adjustment issues? I guess having watched only a few matches this is not possible to quantify. In three matches, however, I witnessed 5 jump attempts resulting in 4 scratches. And while the 5th was a good hit, it was not close to making it in.
Joey, did you have to break out your jump cue, and if so, how did it go? Also, what about any of your opponents?
Again, congrats on a real nice showing. :thumbup:
Best,
Brian kc
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You are very observant. The ball spread after the break and the subsequent rolls during the match are very important to determining who has a chance to win a short race.
Except for when I was breaking, James Walden controlled the set from the get-go. Well, almost. I guess my break and run on the first game of the set, got him in the right mood.
Randy Cole spanked me pretty good but my excuse was, I was tired. :grin:
I was breaking extremely well throughout the tournament using my hybrid BK2 butt and OB break shaft. I think I may have scratched a time or two when I played James as well and you can't do that against a top player like James. I don't remember scratching on the break even one time throughout the tournament except maybe during the Walden match.
While I made balls on the break, I also made only ONE 9 ball on the break during the entire two days and nights of play.
It's a great bar table tournament for those who like that sort of thing. They could have paid a little deeper in the tournament but Chris Miller apparently knows what it takes to make one of the best if not the best bar table tournament in the country. $40,000.00 about three times a year. $40 entry fee so bangers like me can go and play the real champions of the world. How can you not like that?
On another note, I was walking around the huge parking lot and saw a few RV's parked out back. I had to put the seat back on my Toyota Tacoma to catch some Z's.
A big thank you goes out to Max Erbele who I went to for counsel. I was exhausted and was having trouble focusing and asked Sylver Ochoa and Max what could I do at the late stage in the tournament to revive myself and they reminded me that if I had enough time to take a nap, I should do that. Sometimes you forget to do certain things when you get tired but I went out and put the seat back and closed my eyes for over an hour. I took another suggestion from Max and did some deep breathing exercises and when I played Jerry Slivka, it was ALL GOOD, even the rolls seemed to improve for me.
Another big thank you has to go the forum members who contributed so generously to the thread about playing on bar tables a few days ago. I made good use of all of the suggestions and even had them printed out and I shared them with a friend on the ride to White Diamonds. He had a good run in the tournament and benefited from the suggestions as well.
I doubt if I will ever get such fortunate rolls and play as well as I did ever again, but it was a memorable tournament.
All of my opponents deserve kudos (except for one or two who will remain nameless until my memoirs are published :grin-devilish
JoeyA
Dang, joey....... I'm gonna have ro have a talk with Big Truck! LOL I thought surely I could get a couple balls! By the way, nicr shooting in the tournament....... for a man of your advanced age! hahaha
I was wondering the same thing (size of side pockets). They sure and hell looked smaller than Diamonds. Johnnyt
Control, precision and consistency is the ♫ of high-level competition.
Brian,
I only used my jump cue maybe three times throughout the tournament. When I first went for the jump cue I thought about the fact that most of the tournament I had not used it.
The cue ball is a lot heavier and so when you jump, you have to hit it harder than with a lighter cue ball. If you get off center on the heavy cue ball, it will squirt and spin like a mercury filled cue ball. Those generous corner pockets are like vacuum cleaners and I think most of the players would rather rely on kicking. The truth is that kicking on bar tables is far easier than on big tables. Not only are the distances shorter which makes it easier to see the kick shot, but if you miss your first pocket you can always luck the object ball or another ball into one of the generous corner pockets if you kick with controlled power.
I was lucky with my jump shots and I either re-hooked my opponent or didn't damage myself with the end result. I think I made one jump shot the whole tournament. On those bar tables I think you just have better control in kicking and that's what you need.
Really: I had more luck than you could ever imagine, on the table and off the table. It was a magical weekend but thanks for the nice words.
My new, nom deplume will now be,
Lucky Joe :lol:
Brian,
I only used my jump cue maybe three times throughout the tournament. When I first went for the jump cue I thought about the fact that most of the tournament I had not used it.
The cue ball is a lot heavier and so when you jump, you have to hit it harder than with a lighter cue ball. If you get off center on the heavy cue ball, it will squirt and spin like a mercury filled cue ball.
Those generous corner pockets are like vacuum cleaners and I think most of the players would rather rely on kicking. The truth is that kicking on bar tables is far easier than on big tables. Not only are the distances shorter which makes it easier to see the kick shot, but if you miss your first pocket you can always luck the object ball or another ball into one of the generous corner pockets if you kick with controlled power. I was lucky with my jump shots and I either re-hooked my opponent or didn't damage myself with the end result. I think I made one jump shot the whole tournament. On those bar tables I think you just have better control in kicking and that's what you need.
Really: I had more luck than you could ever imagine, on the table and off the table. It was a magical weekend but thanks for the nice words.
My new, nom deplume will now be,
Lucky Joe :lol:
Although I didn't measure them, I can assure you I would have shot a lot more shots at the side pockets on those bar tables if they were ANYTHING like a 9 foot Pro-Cut diamond table.
When I did shoot for the side pockets, I used one of the Precepts outlined in the thread about playing on bar tables, DON'T TAKE ANY SHOT FOR GRANTED, just because it is a small table with generous pockets. ( I might add, "ESPECIALLY, ANY SIDE POCKET SHOT".) LOL
JoeyA
Nice job Joey! Glad to see you having a day in the sun. Hope the tan lasts for a while!!
td
Tim,
The days are lasting a little longer right now, so I expect the tan to last at least through the summer.
Lucky Joe