John and Lou, the plain truth

You won't have to go far there's plenty of one pocket player in your area that will even play cheap:smile:


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There are, and I play them whenever work and family time leaves some room. But that's not quite the same as taking 4 months to gear up for the match of a lifetime.

Also, there's no shortage of players, but there is a shortage of pool halls inside the beltway. If I get a 4 hours window to play, 90 of those minutes will be driving time.
 
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To me, the "plain truth" is that it is unfortunate that some people have the time and inclination to pass so much judgment and stick their nose in others' business.

When I saw the thread title, I thought the "plain truth" was going to talk about CTE versus no aiming system.

If you're going to talk about JB vs Lou, how about every other pool player who has ever gambled a high amount, taken time away from their girlfriend/wife/children, or I'm sure we could find other criticisms. Yeesh.

JB has probably challenged about 10,000 AZ Posters to challenge matches in the past (as he jokingly made reference to himself). Imagine each match was accepted at $1 / match and he happened to lose them all, if it makes you feel better.
 
Well. I just finished fourth in the Steinway Wednesday open tournament behind Strickland and Jayson Shaw.

So I think I will keep playing.

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How did you get fourth? That looks like you lost to Earl in the quarter finals to me?
 
How did you get fourth? That looks like you lost to Earl in the quarter finals to me?

Double-elimination, Tim. Look over in the 1-loss (left, or "top" since the pic is rotated) side of the brackets. John lost the quarter-finals match to Earl, yes, but he kept doing damage over on the 1-loss side.

-Sean
 
Dear Mr. TATE

I do not believe I know you. So, would you kindly remove you nosey, sanctimonious nose from my wallet.

The money I invested in this match was a long forgotten thought soon after I committed to the match. My backer for the rest of the bet could have easily lost his investment many times over and slept like a baby the same night. And while I cannot speak for John, he is a grown man, a successful businessman, and a passionate pool player who, as we all know, likes to bet it up. Neither he or his wife struck me as people who would get in over their heads financially, nor ever do the slightest thing to jeopardize the welfare and future of their family.

Get over it.

Perhaps $10K is big change for you, but my wife and I fly first class to Europe every couple of years and blow more than that just hopping the Greek islands, or driving though Tuscany sampling Brunellos, Chiantis, and Super Tuscans. We spend money to have fun and do cool things. And though my fun level on the match fluctuated wildly, it was a very cool thing to do as far as I am concerned.

And oh by the way. That rep. Really? Does that crap mean so much to you that you would actually screen shot it, lol?!

How "Glee."

Lou Figueroa
 
Dear Mr. TATE

I do not believe I know you. So, would you kindly remove you nosey, sanctimonious nose from my wallet.

The money I invested in this match was a long forgotten thought soon after I committed to the match. My backer for the rest of the bet could have easily lost his investment many times over and slept like a baby the same night. And while I cannot speak for John, he is a grown man, a successful businessman, and a passionate pool player who, as we all know, likes to bet it up. Neither he or his wife struck me as people who would get in over their heads financially, nor ever do the slightest thing to jeopardize the welfare and future of their family.

Get over it.

Perhaps $10K is big change for you, but my wife and I fly first class to Europe every couple of years and blow more than that just hopping the Greek islands, or driving though Tuscany sampling Brunellos, Chiantis, and Super Tuscans. We spend money to have fun and do cool things. And though my fun level on the match fluctuated wildly, it was a very cool thing to do as far as I am concerned.

And oh by the way. That rep. Really? Does that crap mean so much to you that you would actually screen shot it, lol?!

How "Glee."

Lou Figueroa

Lou

Congrats on your match.

I thought Tate showed his rep screen as a means of illustrating that he wasn't alone in his opinion ( which at the time some posters were claiming).

I could be wrong.

Why did you think he did it? I'm confused by your comment and the reference.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Double-elimination, Tim. Look over in the 1-loss (left, or "top" since the pic is rotated) side of the brackets. John lost the quarter-finals match to Earl, yes, but he kept doing damage over on the 1-loss side.

-Sean

Double elimin always confuses me. I should be grateful our comps attract about 3 players.

Do you enter these comps, Sean?
 
Lou

Congrats on your match.

I thought Tate showed his rep screen as a means of illustrating that he wasn't alone in his opinion ( which at the time some posters were claiming).

I could be wrong.

Why did you think he did it? I'm confused by your comment and the reference.

Thanks

Kevin


Why would I, or John, or anyone else care if people agree with him? The perspective expressed is baseless. Unless you are someone's banker, or financial advisor, or tax preparer *no one* here has any business worrying about the bets anyone here makes.

Perhaps, if someone had a reputation here for making scandalous, profligate bets, whose wife was coming on the forum to bemoan their pool loses because the family was near bankruptcy, or eviction, or had to pull their mom out of assisted living, or their kids out of school because they lost the money for tuition playing pool, THEN maybe the opinion expressed in this thread would have some merit.

Lou Figueroa
 
Double elimin always confuses me. I should be grateful our comps attract about 3 players.

Do you enter these comps, Sean?

Occasionally, yes, I do, Tim. Double-elim is a good way to help offset some of the rolls (good and bad) that occur in short-rack rotation.

But in 14.1 / straight pool, we use a mixed round robin / single-elim format. It's usually two stages -- round-robin in the first stage, select the best eight, and put those eight in a single-elim championship format.

One pocket is usually single-elim, because the length of those games does not translate well to a double-elim format.

-Sean
 
And oh by the way. That rep. Really? Does that crap mean so much to you that you would actually screen shot it, lol?!

How "Glee."

Glee or not, I know I would. Wow! Most I ever got for one post was 7, and it was a much better post than Tate's. Still, you can't argue with results.
 
Why would I, or John, care if people agree with him? The perspective expressed is baseless. Unless you are someone's banker, or financial advisor, or tax preparer *no one* here has any business worrying about the bets anyone here makes.

Perhaps, if someone had a reputation here for making scandalous, profligate bets, whose wife was coming on the forum to bemoan their pool loses because the family was near bankruptcy, or eviction, or had to pull their mom out of assisted living, or their kids out of school because they lost the money for tuition playing pool, THEN maybe the opinion expressed in this thread would have some merit.

Lou Figueroa

I have no idea why or if you should care. Like I said, it looked to me that Tate was illustrating his support in feedback as a way of refuting those who were saying he was alone in his opinion.

You seemed to think something else and I was asking what is was.
 
....This match and OMGWTF/CubC were, for me, far more engaging matches to watch than most (if not all) of the top-flite matches I've watched in the past.

Pool has a lot of trouble attracting an audience, and take a look at the interest generated here in a match between 2, what? B players?

Kevin

ditto!

and i HATE one-pocket! till now. but i was also invested in BOTH AZBers. and we would have PAID to see this stream.... KK9 suggested this type format last JUL to TAR, as an "ündercard match".

thanks again to JB, LF, & Pat, et al!
 
I have no idea why or if you should care. Like I said, it looked to me that Tate was illustrating his support in feedback as a way of refuting those who were saying he was alone in his opinion.

You seemed to think something else and I was asking what is was.

This is his original post:

"This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful."


What's pitiful is that people would agree with him and make a judgement about John and I's family values, college funds, or what we can afford without *any first hand knowledge whatsoever about our finances* and probably having never met either of us.

I never assume, no matter how inane the stance, that you cannot find people to agree with it -- of course there will be people who will agree, no matter how dumb the opinion. Putting up the screen shot just proved how high school some folks can be, thus the Glee reference.

I challenge TATE or any one of those people who gave him green in approval or agreement to come forward with any evidence to support either of us having jeopardized our family's welfare in any way with this bet.

Let's see what you've got. Or are you the pitiful ones?

Lou Figueroa
 
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ditto!

and i HATE one-pocket! till now. but i was also invested in BOTH AZBers. and we would have PAID to see this stream.... KK9 suggested this type format last JUL to TAR, as an "ündercard match".

thanks again to JB, LF, & Pat, et al!

I have no patience for the game either as a player or a audience member, but yeah, this match had some appeal.

Maybe someone who produces streams could make something out of that appeal.

Or, maybe not.
 
I challenge TATE or any one of those people who gave him green in approval or agreement to come forward with any evidence to support either of us having jeopardized our family's welfare in any way with this bet.
Lou Figueroa

Clearly, TATE won't have access to either your or John's family financial records or awareness of other issues that may (or may not have) developed as a result of your match with John. Therefore, it will be impossible for him to answer the challenge with the evidence you are asking for.

But, I have a solution!

I propose that you two settle this like men on the pool table. How about One Pocket, race to 9, for $10,000 a man? I hear Sandcastle Billiards has the facilities for such a match, and you could even stream it.

This will become the de facto way of resolving all disputes on AZBilliards :D
 
Why would I, or John, or anyone else care if people agree with him? The perspective expressed is baseless. Unless you are someone's banker, or financial advisor, or tax preparer *no one* here has any business worrying about the bets anyone here makes.

Perhaps, if someone had a reputation here for making scandalous, profligate bets, whose wife was coming on the forum to bemoan their pool loses because the family was near bankruptcy, or eviction, or had to pull their mom out of assisted living, or their kids out of school because they lost the money for tuition playing pool, THEN maybe the opinion expressed in this thread would have some merit.

Lou Figueroa

And, if I may add, there's at least one person who has identified themselves as repping the point who rarely shuts up about gambling, and easy money.

No hypocrisy there, then.
 
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