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I think everyone knows that the 'Texas dude' sells an inferior copy/knockoff of a JB. J&J also sells a case that is clearly the same as the ACME(insert roadrunner-coyote jokes here). Regardless of your take on JB himself his cases are very well made, my 3x6(which i got used) is built like a tank and protects cues great.
 
If you believe nothing else about me then at least believe that I didn't touch him or try to harm him physically in any way whatsoever. I wish this was a situation where I had all the video from the casino to the parking garage and you all could see him attempting three times to get me to hit him.

you forget the tirades you directed at me in posts and PM's. With the threats in them do you really think I would believe that you wouldn't commit a violent act? The problem with your fantasy world, everyone else isn't along for the ride!

Hu
 
When you have hundreds of hours and considerable dollars in a design then someone comes along and copies all of your work, no failed designs or hours of prototyping then maybe you would understand. Then again, you probably thought you deserved to charge what you did for cigars when people could go down to the corner and buy a cigar for about a dollar. Nothing special about your cigars. Tobacco rolled in a tube and full of short cut tobacco for both cigars. You must have been ripping people off, tobacco is tobacco, right???

Two people paint pictures. One picture sells for $30.00, the other for $30,000. Both are oil on canvas, the material costs are the same. Probably not a lot of difference in time to paint them either. Seems certain that the person that had the talent and training to sell a picture for 30,000 is ripping people off, two blocks down on the left they can buy the $30.00 picture.




That was the conclusion I came to. Working in R&D it seemed like everyone around me had patents. My friend and partner had over eighty patents to his name. He made money off of two of those patents!

Another friend invented an industrial pump. He sold the US rights to manufacture and market the pump for four million dollars. A delegation came over from japan. "We will give you forty thousand for all overseas rights. Otherwise we will give you nothing and make the pump anyway. You will have to file any claims of intellectual theft in japan." japanese courts were noted for being hostile to overseas parties and almost automatically ruled for the japanese entity. My friend could piss away the four million trying to defend his patent, take the forty thousand, or stick his toes in and tell the company to go pound sand.

He had never touched the four million, just banked it. After giving it some thought and looking into the situation he took the forty thousand, little skinny pecker and all. Mr Leon knew he was getting screwed but the choices were to take it on the chin and get nothing or take it on the chin and get forty thousand. Even in the eighties that was a very raw deal.

john, an appropriate name if there ever was one! You are the one that brought an ancient thread back to life. I can't remember the last time I gave you a thought, much less posted about you. There is a big difference between looking at other designs to see how they work and proudly copying them, something you brag about doing and have bragged about over and over. You are living proof that those that can't innovate imitate. After almost thirty years maybe you or some of the ladies in your shop have designed something. Not what your business was based on, according to your own claims!

Anyone that can innovate hates to see out and out ripoffs. You are proud that you did! Now you whine about your designs being copied, but is it your design being copied or the person you took the design features from. Hard to deny your activity when you brag about taking features in this very thread!

You can spin fantasies as long as you want. Anyone that can read can figure out who did what if they cared enough to do it. Most of us quit caring other than for the entertainment you provide. When I was toddler I had a little rooster that would fluff up and fight with anything, even flowers and such. I think you would be hard to tell apart if you dyed your hair bright red.



Don't sugar coat things tell it like it is! Anyway, most of what john says isn't really lies, wouldn't cause a blip on a lie detector. They are more the natural outcome of his own unique perspective. he can be ninety even one hundred eighty degrees off from everyone else but with his perspective he is always the victim and the one attacked. Easy enough to see what time of morning john revived this old thread.

I was wondering what I was going to do today anyway. This old humor is pretty priceless to reread.

Hu
I have no clue what you're referring to in regards to JB's case designs. The implication is he copied/stole another design?? Like i said i truly do not have a clue as to background/history of these cases. I do know that the other guy's version is lame in comparison.
 
you forget the tirades you directed at me in posts and PM's. With the threats in them do you really think I would believe that you wouldn't commit a violent act? The problem with your fantasy world, everyone else isn't along for the ride!

Hu
Anything I ever said to you was absolutely deserved by virtue of your actions towards me. No threat of physical violence was ever made towards you. I don't even know who you are and don't care. You're an inconsequential anon troll.

You have "stories" that may or may not be true but are of zero value regardless.

You believe what you want but the fact is that Mike was not touched and the offer to bet 50,000 Dollars is still open from my side.
 
It's not hard at all. I still have the threatening emails and everything from you.
Post them then. As of right now you're an Anon troll making unproven claims.

All of you are the same. Just post what you have and who your are and then all of us can see the context and evaluate the claims.

But somehow you never do.....
 
Finding out the good and bad indeed isn't stealing. It is what you do next that matters. Using the other party's design is generally over the top. Just looking at what a component needs to do then going out and seeing what you can do to accomplish that task better is fair. john's own words, "taking what works" seem pretty damning.

The whole "Homage" thing is pretty much BS unless the original makers are no longer in business and the design no longer available. I have several case designs in mind, as far as I know unique designs. I won't be silly enough to put the designs on a public forum, particularly not one with a member that proudly proclaims he takes what works!

Hu
Jesus you are dense. I douby highly that you have any designs but if you do the adage applies that there is nothing in the world cheaper than a good idea with no action.

If you ever did bring out anything that was any good and I thought it was something that my customers could benefit from and it were legal to implement without licensing it then I would probably incorporate it into our work. And if it required licensing then I would seek the licensing. If it were not licensable then I wouldn't use it.

Again, I don't have any issue with copying. We are all genetic copies and we are all taught to imitate during our formative years. We are encouraged to copy and improve and innovate.

My issue is when poor copies are done and touted as superior products. That's delusional at best and deliberate fraud at worst.

Only a fool or a fraud doesn't offer his customers the state of the art or better.
 
I don’t know what happened here, but it’s important to point out that a properly executed head butt can be devastating. My oldest son mastered the Irish Kiss at a very early age- they never saw it coming.
I taught my son the Irish Kiss when he was 2 years old...thought it was funny until a while later we were at a family gathering and his grandpa was holding him and said, "let's have a kiss"...
 
I taught my son the Irish Kiss when he was 2 years old...thought it was funny until a while later we were at a family gathering and his grandpa was holding him and said, "let's have a kiss"...

Not familiar with the Irish kiss, what I know of as the Liverpool kiss can be deadly if used between older children or adults. My brothers and I fought pretty much constantly as children. So much so that I was only ten or twelve when our parents bought us quality Everlast I believe it was boxing gloves for Christmas. Anyway, after reading about it in a fiction book I knew enough to know how to execute it but not how dangerous it was.

Rusty was two years older usually about an inch taller and about ten pounds lighter. He was also wiry and strong. In all of our years of fighting over a dozen times a week, bloody battles that ripped clothes and left them destroyed, I had won once or twice without picking up a weapon. Weapons were cause for severe punishment. Dad was a big man and over three feet of leather belt was an attention getter!

We were rolling around on the floor when I decided it was a fine time to give the Liverpool kiss a try. When he ended up on top as usual I got in position and Crack! It worked nicely. When he came around I explained to him what a Liverpool kiss was. We decided to ban it from our fights, the only thing specifically banned. We weren't trying to kill each other, just country boys without much to do.

Hu
 
Jesus you are dense. I douby highly that you have any designs but if you do the adage applies that there is nothing in the world cheaper than a good idea with no action.

If you ever did bring out anything that was any good and I thought it was something that my customers could benefit from and it were legal to implement without licensing it then I would probably incorporate it into our work. And if it required licensing then I would seek the licensing. If it were not licensable then I wouldn't use it.

Again, I don't have any issue with copying. We are all genetic copies and we are all taught to imitate during our formative years. We are encouraged to copy and improve and innovate.

My issue is when poor copies are done and touted as superior products. That's delusional at best and deliberate fraud at worst.

Only a fool or a fraud doesn't offer his customers the state of the art or better.

You have no concept of property rights, or much else. However, my designs are enough different to be patentable. You couldn't steal them from me.

I see you were busy last night. Everyone else is wrong, john is right. As for contact or stalking, you contacted me after we hadn't had any contact in years, wanting a pool match but only on your ridiculous terms. I told you then you were a go off artist, about a year later you proved me right!

Hu
 
You have no concept of property rights, or much else. However, my designs are enough different to be patentable. You couldn't steal them from me.

I see you were busy last night. Everyone else is wrong, john is right. As for contact or stalking, you contacted me after we hadn't had any contact in years, wanting a pool match but only on your ridiculous terms. I told you then you were a go off artist, about a year later you proved me right!

Hu
Lol. I don't remember that but I guess you're as much of a coward as you are a troll. If I offered to play you then it was in response to something. Probably your unsubstantiated umconfirmable "stories" of you being some sort of undercover champion. I can't remember too much about your "stories" on azb except that you always have some.

Let me see, you're a champion marksman, you're a champion race car driver, a champion pool player, a world class business man, you built your whole house with a single Swiss army knife, and many other amazing experiences that would take a state population and a hundred years to equal.

Go on and post what you have. Prove what you claim about me. If you say I "threatened" you then post it.

As you can see I am willing to stand up and prove what I say. I also have a witness willing to testify under oath about every detail I have shared here.

I didn't touch that whiny unethical piece of shit Mike Hoang. I told him that hitting him wouldn't solve the issue of him lying to his customers about his product.

So whether you believe me or not the truth is still the truth.
 

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You have no concept of property rights, or much else. However, my designs are enough different to be patentable. You couldn't steal them from me.

I see you were busy last night. Everyone else is wrong, john is right. As for contact or stalking, you contacted me after we hadn't had any contact in years, wanting a pool match but only on your ridiculous terms. I told you then you were a go off artist, about a year later you proved me right!

Hu
As for being a go-off "artist". Well, on Thursday I won $5000 playing one pocket. I can certainly go-off but you have to have some heart to get in the box and I know that I have more heart than you could even allow yourself to dream of having.

And luckily for me I make enough money that "going-off" is a small fraction of my net worth. I'd much rather have heart than to be a nit like you.

Now tell us some of your "stories" about how you went to pro tournaments and beat all the pros in the backrooms or that time when you played Cajuns giving up the five out and the bet was that loser had to swim across a pond full of gators and when you won you jumped in any way and grabbed the nearest one and rode it across.

We can't wait for you tell us how much heart you have with another "story". Azb has a couple great storytellers and you're among the best. If you played half as good as you tell stories about yourself you could be the whole Mosconi cup team by yourself and they european team would need weight.

I will award you a trophy for being one of the best trolls though. You always come through there like the trolling champion that you are. Once you pick a target then you focus in like a pedophile looking at naked five year old.

You and Mike would make a perfect couple. He should hire you to write his ad copy. He likes to lie and you love to make up stories no one can confirm. I am positive you can help his sales in an industry with no practical regulatory oversight. You and him would be the perfect fraud couple.
 
“Once you pick a target then you focus in like a pedophile looking at naked five year old.”

Jesus. What is wrong with you?
 
“Once you pick a target then you focus in like a pedophile looking at naked five year old.”

Jesus. What is wrong with you?
A lot. I was searching for the right analogy to describe the despicable actions of a dedicated troll. Seems like you got the point quite easily.
 
“Once you pick a target then you focus in like a pedophile looking at naked five year old.”

Jesus. What is wrong with you?

Not at all surprised to see the same members who run through the NPR bullying people through political ideologies are the same ones who attempt to run people off the main.

These people aren’t members of the billiard community. They’re malcontents who have found a platform on this forum to espouse hate and intolerance.
 
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