John Schmidt BANNED from Viking Tour

[Tbeaux]

Terry, I think this was the tournament that was held back in Oct.. 1p, 8b, & 9b... week long tourney. I think Larry Nevel won the all around or came close to it. Larry & Shannon Daulton were in the running for it as best as I can remember. Larry Nevel won the 1p, I think Stevie Moore won the 9 ball & I don't know who won the 8 ball. Normally I would suggest a quick search but instead of keeping most things in one thread, a certain person insisted on starting a new thread every few hours to the tune of 3 & 4 threads per day for the whole week.

Ahh nope, I meant who won this tournament in Duluth, and Monica, Helena and Sarah were rumoured to be going. Presumably to play, but then again maybe they decided to go golfing too.

Terry

 

[BRKNRUN]

Frankly, I just don't get it. Scott Frost can skip his first round match at the 2004 US Open because some good action came along, and everyone's OK with it. Corey Deuel can unscrew in mid-match at the 2004 Hilton event in Florida to go golfing, and everone's OK with it. Larry Nevel unscrewed on the same day of the same event during mid-match, and everyone's OK with it. Jeremy Jones unscrewed in mid-match in Grand Central Station during the 2004 World Summit, and that's OK with everyone, too. Danny Harriman concedes to Corey Deuel at the UPA Championships, and that's OK with everyone. John Schmidt, yes this John Schmidt, unscrewed in mid-match at the 2004 Big Apple Nine Ball Challenge, and that's OK, too. This is all very puzzling.

Some suggest that the formation of the IPT has ushered in a new age in which etiquette, demeanor, respect for the game and respect for the fans will rule. Some have argued that now the players are being treated like professionals, they'll behave with professionalism. Well, at least for me, it will take quite a bit more convincing.

The main problem is that very few of them ARE professionals...They are just very skilled players. They all learned how to play pool, but never learned how to be professional....Hopefully they are fast learners or the up and commers that really want to be Professionals will never get a chance.

Back in the day when sports like baseball, football and basketball were growing...the very skilled players played for the love of the sport....through time they learned to also be professionals and now there is a base of verterans in those sports that help "learn" the rookies....Pool has no verterans to "learn" the rookies...and most of the very skilled players of today play for the love of Money not the love of Pool.........That being said...I think its up to the "fans" to force the players to learn to be professional......

 

[Timberly]

Ahh nope, I meant who won this tournament in Duluth

LOL, they were both held in Duluth... the one that the thread is about and the Viking event that was just held.

 

[Tbeaux]

Terry, the most immediate Viking event, Paul Song won without a loss, Cliff Joyner for second, and Monica Webb for third.

I'm confused now, not knowing which Viking tournament you might be referring to.

JAM

Thank you JAM!
Third again, she must be thinking it's a lucky number.


Terry

 

[Timberly]

Back in the day when sports like baseball, football and basketball were growing...the very skilled players played for the love of the sport....through time they learned to also be professionals and now there is a base of verterans in those sports that help "learn" the rookies....

I have to disagree. One of the reasons I can hardly stand pro football anymore is because the league is infested with criminals that think they can get away with anything because they're "pros". By the time I had given up on the NFL, guys were being busted with drugs, prostitutes, and beating their wives.

If you or I get busted for any of the above, we go to jail and we lose our jobs. These guys get a slap on the wrist with a fine of what amounts to pocket change for these guys.

The NFL isn't the only "pro" sport full of criminals, it's just the 1st that comes to mind. NBA, NFL, MLB, all of them... full of guys that do illegal things because they're "pro". Out of the whole lot of them, the NHL seems to have less than the others but that could just be that it's not as popular nationwide as the others & therefore you don't hear about it as much as the other sports.

 

[BRKNRUN]

I have to disagree. One of the reasons I can hardly stand pro football anymore is because the league is infested with criminals that think they can get away with anything because they're "pros". By the time I had given up on the NFL, guys were being busted with drugs, prostitutes, and beating their wives.

If you or I get busted for any of the above, we go to jail and we lose our jobs. These guys get a slap on the wrist with a fine of what amounts to pocket change for these guys.

The NFL isn't the only "pro" sport full of criminals, it's just the 1st that comes to mind. NBA, NFL, MLB, all of them... full of guys that do illegal things because they're "pro". Out of the whole lot of them, the NHL seems to have less than the others but that could just be that it's not as popular nationwide as the others & therefore you don't hear about it as much as the other sports.

I am not saying that there are not bad apples in the bunch...(for any sport)...I will say that it gets magnified, and this does help make my point...The JS incident was magnified, not because of what he did, but because of who he is...He is not the first person to "no show" a match..but when you become a "name" you lose you privacy...like it or not..and your actions become magnified.

Also...No showing a match is not a very good comparison to criminal activity in my opinion.....I definatley don't want to see JS's actions lumped in with Drugs and Wife Beaters......Perhaps Prosti...Nah not them either......

The whole world is full of WBs , Drugs and Prostitues.....I would not say its "rampant" in pro sports, I would say its rampant in just about every "hood"......you don't hear about it from the "hood'...but when one of the "hood rats" makes it to the big time....you hear about it when he slips up....

However...even though there are the bad eggs that can't be helped...there are many that make the transition with help from the verteran players that give them guidance and help them understand what they can and can not do.

BTW...Unfortunatley, I would be willing to lay odds that per capita there are more Wife Beaters, Chemists and Sexual Adventurers in pool than there is in any other sport.

 

[lamar25]

This is only true if J.S. expected to be banned from the tour instead of being allowed to come up through the one loss side of the bracket.

Unless I am missing something, J.S.'s actions did not ensure his tournament loss. He had no way of knowing that a single forfeit would essentially count as two match losses.

OK I'm Back,
John S. to let you who I am. My partner (Billy Wynn) & I lost money to you at Kennesaw Billiards on ghost games about a year ago. The next night at Hollywood we gave you 4:1 odds on the 15 ball 1-Pocket ghost, $800:$200.
Out of the gate John ran TWO RACKS. My partner pulled up.

Your performance is why I bought you even though you were on the 1-loss side (Re: previous post). I had faith in your game. John you were the #1 seed at this event and the auction buyer was the same person that bought you in the 1-Pocket event at the Southern Classic.
BTW it was not me.

Know Re: Jelly Roll's, Ask The following players how I treated them, when they won me money in the auctions:
Charlie Bryant, Stevie Moore, Brian Butler, B. J. Ussery, Larry Nevel, Shawn Puttnam.

I Have respect for players that have heart! do not have respect for players that are guitters.
"Have a nice day",
Lamar

 

[lamar25]

Ahh nope, I meant who won this tournament in Duluth, and Monica, Helena and Sarah were rumoured to be going. Presumably to play, but then again maybe they decided to go golfing too.

Terry

Hey Terry,
Re: The Viking Tour stop 02/04-05/06 in Duluth.
79 players entered this event. A very good turn out!!!
Main Event Results:
1st: Paul Song
2nd: Cliff Jonner
3rd: Monica Webb who sent Cliff to the 1-Loss side and then lost to Paul for the hot seat was then defeated by Cliff.

Second Chance Event: ( New to the Viking Tour )
This event had 14 entries & was a ring game still format.

This is an event that comes from the old school, my main stay from the late 60's, early 70's.

Most of the entries had never played in this type of event.
What I saw was the players were having fun.

Results:
1st: Helena Thornfeldt $400
2nd: Billy Tyler $230
3rd: Diane Gabberd (Diane Crane) $100
4th: Marcus Pendly $50

 

[jay helfert]

The inscrutable Mr. Reyes

this is a little off topic, sorry to the others about that, but to Jay... i think you just unknowingly proved my point about efren getting favorable press. am i supposed to believe you because you are an honest man too (yes, right?)? it makes me laugh to think people believe efren is this perfect little angel... never purposefully racks the balls bad, never used to stand in players shot line, never coaches other philipinos during one-pocket money games in their language; never any of it, right? i'm sure he's gotten better recently because all he does is win, he doesn't need the money as bad. but 10 or 12 years ago i saw him pull quite a few seedy little moves. i just don't feel the need to put up a post about how bad a guy he is. yet, people are giving john schmidt a hard time and doubting his credibility in pasts posts because of this incident? i just feel schmidt receives an undue amount of negative press.

btw jay, did mark tadd ever get back to you?

First of all, have never heard another word from Mark after two PM's. Maybe he was just blowing off steam. We weren't. Tang was ready to play and I had my end ready. If it comes off I will let you know, on here.
I never said Efren was an angel, but I personally have never seen him give less than 100% in a match. He looks to me like he is always trying to win. And I can't remember him ever not showing up for a match. I know I never had to forfeit him. And I thought that was the point we were discussing here.

 

[jay helfert]

I never mentioned giving John the 8 as i recall i said i would need a big spot. Maybe i should have considered the "Ask the Pro" section of this forum before i chose this name. Aside from those, my user name stands true. Obviously im not gonna give any pro the 8 but i will gamble with anyone breathing for any amount. If you anyone needs references to wether or not ill gamble pm me. I havent been around much lately due to some bad luck so to speak but several on this forum know ill gamble. If pool isnt your gambling game of choice me and my friends will gamble at arm wrestling, coin lagging, or beer drinking for as much money as anyone can bring.

I don't know you (or maybe I do), but I like you.

 

[jay helfert]

The integrity of the game

Forgive me in advance for being the confirmed idealist that I've always been, but it always disheartens me when I read how some feel that a player has no obligation to either tournament proprietors or the game's fans. So many feel it's a player's right to not show up for a match or to unscrew whenever they please, that they have no obligations other than to themselves.

Let me open by saying that I wholeheartedly agree with those who say John Schmidt has no obligation to anyone who purchases him in a calcutta, but this is hardly the point.

As far as I'm concerned, when money is added to the prize fund, the persons or businesses adding that money should be viewed as sponsoring the players, and players should feel at least some obligation to them. Second, there are fans of this game who come to watch their favorite players, and it is regrettable that players don't feel a greater obligation to their fans. Finally, a professional player must behave with professionalism, whether playing in the WPC or a Viking tour event.

Frankly, I just don't get it. Scott Frost can skip his first round match at the 2004 US Open because some good action came along, and everyone's OK with it. Corey Deuel can unscrew in mid-match at the 2004 Hilton event in Florida to go golfing, and everone's OK with it. Larry Nevel unscrewed on the same day of the same event during mid-match, and everyone's OK with it. Jeremy Jones unscrewed in mid-match in Grand Central Station during the 2004 World Summit, and that's OK with everyone, too. Danny Harriman concedes to Corey Deuel at the UPA Championships, and that's OK with everyone. John Schmidt, yes this John Schmidt, unscrewed in mid-match at the 2004 Big Apple Nine Ball Challenge, and that's OK, too. This is all very puzzling.

Some suggest that the formation of the IPT has ushered in a new age in which etiquette, demeanor, respect for the game and respect for the fans will rule. Some have argued that now the players are being treated like professionals, they'll behave with professionalism. Well, at least for me, it will take quite a bit more convincing.

You know, maybe I'm old fashioned but this kind of stuff is not okay with me. I was there when Danny H. didn't show for his match with Corey and everyone was buzzing about it. People paid money to see two great players
compete and they were disappointed and left with a bad taste in their mouth.
I've been around this game a long time and I think it's the greatest game on Earth. I still would rather watch a great pool match than any other sporting event, including the (once again) lack luster Super Bowl. I competed professionally when the prize money was even smaller than it is today.
And I gambled at pool almost every day for ten years. I needed to survive and winning $50 or $100 bucks a day in the 60's and 70's was enough to make it. But I loved playing pool and the freedom I had to live my life on my own terms. Like many others I eventually realized that being a pool player was a difficult way to make a living and raise a family. Few have done it successfully. So I took what little money I had and bought a poolroom. Four poolrooms later I am still involved in the game I love.
So there are opportunities in this game and maybe even a chance for a great player to succeed. I don't think Allison, Earl and Efren have done to badly, not to mention Jeanette.
I'm not sure what my point is, but I would hope that the greatest players would show respect for the game and appreciation for the opportunities that come their way.

 

[jay helfert]

boy people sure are quick to rag on me even though they were not there.if janis could not have auctions he would not have tourneys you think he just loves pool,he does them because he makes a percentage .auctions do guys like me no good because we go for high amounts so its a bad move to buy halve ourselves because we are not getting much odds on the money.then some guy who cant play and is jealous and probably hates good players anyway buys you and then acts like he owns you,it cracks me up.and for the record helfort you were not putting me in the tourney and neither was anybody else so whats with you chiming in oh thats right your a td so of course your going to take janis side because you make money off auctions too,and another thing you do not need to speak on my behalf about me expecting a piece when i win a tourney.as a matter of fact ive won around 20 tourneys that had big auctions and got jellied twice so no i dont expect shit. and as far as me acting like a professional southpaw if that was actually what i consider a pro event than maybe i would not have brought golf clubs.another thing southpaw you keep saying derogatory things about me but it seems out of the norm for you are you sure someone is not using your keyboard someone who maybe got banned from this forum .huh just something to think about.people told me years ago that wannabe nobodys who have never been able to be great at too much will secretly hate and be jeolous of people who are im starting to see what their talking about,now that ive pissed off guys like southpaw watch how much crap they bring up now bravely behind their keyboard. john schmidt

Thank you John for having the guts to get on here and defend yourself. You and I may not agree and that is okay with me. I kinda like the fact that there is an open forum in Pool to discuss things. To me that is a good thing and that is why I'm on here.
Say what you want John, but you made the choice to be a participant in the tournament. No one forced you to play, or to be a pool player for that matter. You can always choose another line of work.
Having said that, only you John can make the choice to show up and play your matches. Often a player who loses in the first round will not try to weather the storm on the loser's side of the board. It is ultimately a matter of personal conscience whether to continue or withdraw. You made your choice and I respect it, even If I don't agree with it.
And it is true that the person that bought you in the Calcutta has to accept the consequences of that purchase. He may not like it, but that is between you and him. As for me, I have always thrown the player I bought in any Calcutta a 10% bone if they did good. Same goes for successful side bets.
But that's just me and I'm not saying that's what someone else should do.
If I have any doubts about a player's willingness to hang tough on the loser's side, I will probably be very careful in bidding on them.
And as for siding with Mike Janis because he is a TD, that is just not the case. You obviously don't know me very well, but I try my best to hear both sides of an argument, before passing any judgement. There have been many times when I made an unpopular call but it was the correct one as I saw it. And I would do it again. Just ask Nick Varner about the foul I called on him in Kentucky in the Finals against Jose, with the hometown crowd screaming bloody murder.
Anyway, good luck to you John. I admire your talent at Pool and I hope it brings you much success and happiness.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Hey Mike Janis, I have an idea that is amazing, revolutionary, incredible, and it might leave some of you speechless! How about if a player is not present at the time of the calcutta, YOU DONT INCLUDE HIM. And Southpaw, I think deep down you have a crush on John Schmidt but unfortunately he doesn't swing that way. Better luck next time.

 

[watchez]

I have to disagree. One of the reasons I can hardly stand pro football anymore is because the league is infested with criminals that think they can get away with anything because they're "pros". By the time I had given up on the NFL, guys were being busted with drugs, prostitutes, and beating their wives.

If you or I get busted for any of the above, we go to jail and we lose our jobs. These guys get a slap on the wrist with a fine of what amounts to pocket change for these guys.

The NFL isn't the only "pro" sport full of criminals, it's just the 1st that comes to mind. NBA, NFL, MLB, all of them... full of guys that do illegal things because they're "pro". Out of the whole lot of them, the NHL seems to have less than the others but that could just be that it's not as popular nationwide as the others & therefore you don't hear about it as much as the other sports.

Wanna take a look at the IPT/Pro Pool player list & tell us there are no criminals? People make mistakes in life no matter what their status is.......if you are OJ, Jayson Williams, Allen Iverson, Jamal Lewis, etc. then in this country, you have the $$ to buy your way out of it.

 

[Flex]

Let's see if I got this right. Mike Janis did not make it clear at the players' meeting that anybody missing their match/forfeiting a match would not only lose that particular match, but also the possibility to play in the other events at the venue, i.e., the 8 ball and 9 ball events, and in addition would be expelled from the tour altogether unless *they* paid whoever might eventually *buy* them in the *player auction*. Is that correct?

Or did Mike Janis come up with that in the middle of the tournament?
Also, if I understand it well, Mike Janis takes 10% of all moneys placed into the player auction (kind of like selling slaves, I guess... hmmm...) so he had a direct conflict of interest in the outcome of whether John Schmidt played or not. Let's see, 10% of $400 is $40, not chump change for most people.

If I had been John Schmidt in that circumstance and Mike Janis had attempted to strong arm me into playing under threat of expulsion from the tour altogether, what would I have done. I'm not sure, but I sure wouldn't allow him to get away with it...

This whole thing leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, especially making up these coercive rules on the fly.

My two cents worth.

Flex

 

[Timberly]

Wanna take a look at the IPT/Pro Pool player list & tell us there are no criminals? People make mistakes in life no matter what their status is.......if you are OJ, Jayson Williams, Allen Iverson, Jamal Lewis, etc. then in this country, you have the $$ to buy your way out of it.

I never said that there were no criminals in pool. He said that "pro" players in other sports acted like professionals as opposed to pro pool players. I disagreed with the pro players in other sports acting like professionals. Never once did I say that there weren't criminals in pool. Please read what I say. This is twice in this thread you've insinuated that I said something that I didn't.

Does anyone here remember the outcry of the guys that play in the NBA when they were given a dress code? Some players held a news conference! I don't recall hearing one pool player on the IPT complain about their dress code. I'm sure it happend, I just didn't hear it. Pro players of other sports IMO, do not act professional. Yes, there's some bad seeds and there's some that do act professional.... it's the same thing in pool. BRKNRUN, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Southpaw]

again for the record i have no problem getting banned from the tour thats exactly what should happen to me or anyone else who does not show ,i just did not know i could be excluded from the auction .what im mad about is southpaw coming on here and constantly saying im bad for the game,unproffessional,think i can do what i want because i play good .me posting on here has nothing to do with my being banned i could not care less ,what i dont like is southpaw trying to ruin my careerand rep and if he keeps it up me and him are going to have alot bigger problem than me not being able to make minimum wage on the viking tour.and yes i type bad i can only type 10 wpm so i have to be pissed to even write this much as took me like thirty minutes believe me i have better things to do than try to defend myself to southpaw every 8 minutes,im going to try my best to never look at these forums because it gets me in a bad mood .every day someone new basically says im a piece of crap on here and they know hardly anything about me .pool sucks im going golfing

I love how its ALWYAS just about Mr. Schmdit! If any other person that had a "PROFESSIONAL" status had done this, I would be saying the exact same things. It just so happens that I have now seen 2 instances that involved Mr. Schmidt.....Hmmmmm! And as for me having bigger problems with you....I have already had to help save your little ass from being kicked once in Nashville a few years ago so, if you would like to discuss this in person....you know where to find me. I will not speak on this subject again.

Southpaw

 

[TheOne]

drinking, getting laid, penis size

Timberely I think we need a referee?

 

[cuetechasaurus]

penis size

I think your entire rant was based on the fact that you want to see John's private parts and you have a secret crush on him. John Schmidt if I were you, I would stay away from this guy.

 

[smurf]

It's a real simple deal. If you play in someones' tournament, you abide by their rules. If you disagree with their rules...DON'T PARTICIPATE!!!!
Sure seems simpler than a lot of pointless whining.