John Schmidt BANNED from Viking Tour

[john schmidt]

will you people listen

again for the record i have no problem getting banned from the tour thats exactly what should happen to me or anyone else who does not show ,i just did not know i could be excluded from the auction .what im mad about is southpaw coming on here and constantly saying im bad for the game,unproffessional,think i can do what i want because i play good .me posting on here has nothing to do with my being banned i could not care less ,what i dont like is southpaw trying to ruin my careerand rep and if he keeps it up me and him are going to have alot bigger problem than me not being able to make minimum wage on the viking tour.and yes i type bad i can only type 10 wpm so i have to be pissed to even write this much as took me like thirty minutes believe me i have better things to do than try to defend myself to southpaw every 8 minutes,im going to try my best to never look at these forums because it gets me in a bad mood .every day someone new basically says im a piece of crap on here and they know hardly anything about me .pool sucks im going golfing

 

[Timberly]

As much as I hate to say it, I totally agree with Mike Janis on this one. His ban for a player not showing up & being in a player auction/calcutta is standard practice in tournaments. Maybe Timberly never heard of this but I am sure if she took the time to ask other tours & tournament directors she would find out this is true.

I never said that what Janis did was wrong. I never said anything negative about him at all. This thread was made (sadly because John & Mike shook hands and agreed that they both had to do what they did. Now there's more animosity).

John doesn't come onto the forums very much and thinking that he might not see the thread anytime soon & the fact that someone asked what his side of the story was, I simply relayed the story as it was told to me by John. The only opinion I put forth was that I didn't think John should be burned at the stake for what he did. Others have done that & done worse.

I also don't think that Mike should be burned at the stake either. According to John, he had the chance to play on an exclusive golf course that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to play on. He wanted to take that offer. He did what he wanted/had to do and Mike did what he had to do.

I have absolutely no problem with tournament directors taking a percentage of anything. They're putting forth their time, effort, & money to run tournaments almost every wkend of the year. Just like the rest of us, they need to get paid too.

 

[Jimmy M.]

every day someone new basically says im a piece of crap on here and they know hardly anything about me .pool sucks im going golfing

I still like you, John - regardless of how bad you are for the game.

 

[mnorwood]

My 2 cents.

My comments are not meant offend anyone and I do not wish to take sides.

The thing that strikes me about the whole deal is the fact that this contravercy has been started over the matter of 400$. This amount of money is chicken feed. The prize money in alot of "Pro" events is simply chicken feed. I could participate in 2 weekly home poker games here in houston where the winner wins more than 400$. I could see the outrage if the offense was over more money.

John Schmidt is a world class talent who probably feels like he is not getting paid enough for his time. If the man wants to play golf anytime he feels like it than great. John Schmidt does not need any regional pro tour, most regional pro tour's need John Schmidt.

 

[1pRoscoe]

again for the record i have no problem getting banned from the tour thats exactly what should happen to me or anyone else who does not show ,i just did not know i could be excluded from the auction .what im mad about is southpaw coming on here and constantly saying im bad for the game,unproffessional,think i can do what i want because i play good .me posting on here has nothing to do with my being banned i could not care less ,what i dont like is southpaw trying to ruin my careerand rep and if he keeps it up me and him are going to have alot bigger problem than me not being able to make minimum wage on the viking tour.and yes i type bad i can only type 10 wpm so i have to be pissed to even write this much as took me like thirty minutes believe me i have better things to do than try to defend myself to southpaw every 8 minutes,im going to try my best to never look at these forums because it gets me in a bad mood .every day someone new basically says im a piece of crap on here and they know hardly anything about me .pool sucks im going golfing

No need to defend yourself, John........

 

[Williebetmore]

again for the record i have no problem getting banned from the tour ...what im mad about is southpaw coming on here and constantly saying im bad for the game

JS,
Just in case you read this, realize (as JAM mentioned) there are a few posters here who jump at the chance to fling dirt whenever and wherever possible (even the poster you mention who has fewer than 30 posts here, and seems to have dropped in just for this purpose).

In addition there are also a significant number of members who live in a fantasy world where there is "professional pool" - with rules, regulations, "codes" of conduct, obligations. In the hope that everyone will behave as they wish, they love to criticize any apparent deviation from their ideal.

I would hope that the majority of the true fans of the game realize that if you (or any player, myself included) entered a tournament, then they have EVERY right to drop out ANY TIME they choose - forfeiting their entry fee, but not in any way their honor. The only obligation (IF ANY) to the Calcutta "buyer" would be from the tournament director. Let the gambler beware.

In any case, many reasonable posters couldn't care less about this entire thread; and I doubt any damage has been done to your reputation - this is just an anonymous internet forum - the "haters" will always hate, thats what they do. They have the freedom to say what they want, we have the freedom to ignore them.

 

[JAM]

JS,
Just in case you read this, realize (as JAM mentioned) there are a few posters here who jump at the chance to fling dirt whenever and wherever possible (even the poster you mention who has fewer than 30 posts here, and seems to have dropped in just for this purpose).

In addition there are also a significant number of members who live in a fantasy world where there is "professional pool" - with rules, regulations, "codes" of conduct, obligations. In the hope that everyone will behave as they wish, they love to criticize any apparent deviation from their ideal.

I would hope that the majority of the true fans of the game realize that if you (or any player, myself included) entered a tournament, then they have EVERY right to drop out ANY TIME they choose - forfeiting their entry fee, but not in any way their honor. The only obligation (IF ANY) to the Calcutta "buyer" would be from the tournament director. Let the gambler beware.

In any case, many reasonable posters couldn't care less about this entire thread; and I doubt any damage has been done to your reputation - this is just an anonymous internet forum - the "haters" will always hate, thats what they do. They have the freedom to say what they want, we have the freedom to ignore them.

Williebetmore, that has got to be my number-one favorite posts of the new year. Excellent. And I hope John does get the opportunity to read it.

JAM

 

[thebigdog]

again for the record i have no problem getting banned from the tour thats exactly what should happen to me or anyone else who does not show ,i just did not know i could be excluded from the auction .what im mad about is southpaw coming on here and constantly saying im bad for the game,unproffessional,think i can do what i want because i play good .me posting on here has nothing to do with my being banned i could not care less ,what i dont like is southpaw trying to ruin my careerand rep and if he keeps it up me and him are going to have alot bigger problem than me not being able to make minimum wage on the viking tour.and yes i type bad i can only type 10 wpm so i have to be pissed to even write this much as took me like thirty minutes believe me i have better things to do than try to defend myself to southpaw every 8 minutes,im going to try my best to never look at these forums because it gets me in a bad mood .every day someone new basically says im a piece of crap on here and they know hardly anything about me .pool sucks im going golfing

You should have never quit golfing John. I bet you really regret that first time you came into Boyce's and decided you were going to give up golf to be a pool player. I guess it still beats working anyway. I wouldn't get all worried about what people say on here. The fact is that in other sports the reason why you don't see no shows is because there is real money involved in other sports.
Mike jr.

 

[Tbeaux]

Has ANYBODY posted the RESULTS of the TOURNAMENT?

Terry

 

[Banker Burt]

Pool player vs. Race horses

Any player who enters a tournament is only obligated to play by the rules of the game. If for any reason they choose not to play, this is their business and their business alone. PERIOD.

You can call a calcutta whatever you want but it is nothing more than a side bet, which has everything to do with the promoter of the calcutta (oh I'm sorry the player auction), but it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAYER.

Another thing - there is only one difference between side betting on a horse and a pool player, it is LEGAL to bet on a horse.

AND the only difference between a pool player and a race horse is the horse is treated better.

John owes nothing. If some of you think otherwise then so be it.

 

[Scottster]

This is a brief explanation of the facts...............

1st of all, we do not do Calcutta's on the Viking Tour, we do Player Auctions.

"Bong" is to "calcutta" what "water pipe" is to "player auction"

You can sell a bong if you call it a water pipe without a penalty even though it is the same thing,
and, yes, TD's make the majority of their money from the "water pipe".

 

[AnyAZer_hasthe8]

boy people sure are quick to rag on me even though they were not there.if janis could not have auctions he would not have tourneys you think he just loves pool,he does them because he makes a percentage .auctions do guys like me no good because we go for high amounts so its a bad move to buy halve ourselves because we are not getting much odds on the money.then some guy who cant play and is jealous and probably hates good players anyway buys you and then acts like he owns you,it cracks me up.and for the record helfort you were not putting me in the tourney and neither was anybody else so whats with you chiming in oh thats right your a td so of course your going to take janis side because you make money off auctions too,and another thing you do not need to speak on my behalf about me expecting a piece when i win a tourney.as a matter of fact ive won around 20 tourneys that had big auctions and got jellied twice so no i dont expect shit. and as far as me acting like a professional southpaw if that was actually what i consider a pro event than maybe i would not have brought golf clubs.another thing southpaw you keep saying derogatory things about me but it seems out of the norm for you are you sure someone is not using your keyboard someone who maybe got banned from this forum .huh just something to think about.people told me years ago that wannabe nobodys who have never been able to be great at too much will secretly hate and be jeolous of people who are im starting to see what their talking about,now that ive pissed off guys like southpaw watch how much crap they bring up now bravely behind their keyboard. john schmidt

Someone with a personality such as yours should feel great that some
'jealous guy who cant play and hates good players anyway' would pay 400 for you and to see your game in the first place. You should feel lucky that the person whom apparently was your fan didnt straighten this out with you physically. It pleases me to see that your not gonna participate in another calcutta. Do all gamblers a favor and do just that... While you may think im a jealous wanna be that will say anything behind a keyboard that isnt the case. This is my first post and a great one in that im able to give an opinion on something like this. Nothing i say here wouldnt be said in person. If you like gambling at golf pm me, ill gamble with you at golf. Ill bet anything you can bet that i can outdrive you with any club in the bag. Ill gamble with you at pool too. Obviously ill need a big spot because im one of those jealous people whom cant play anyway. Pool tournaments dont pay enough for you? Again, pm i hear you gamble some. Maybe this is the payday your looking for.

 

[onepocketchump]

Calcuttas ln -s /black/eye/on/the/pool/scene/reputation

Isn't this sh*t illegal in most states?! I have to find that 4 page legal paper that the late John McChesney had a full lawyers department do on this matter. It is illegal in most states!Barbara

Goodness, the world is standing on end when I agree with Barbara. I agree that calcuttas are extraneous to the sport and while not neccesarily bad they should not OBLIGATE a player to participate. A person who bets on another player is assuming that risk ENTIRELY on their own. The player in the tournament can do whatever he wants to - go home, be sick, play golf, whatever because he is the one who is paying for his participation. If he has a backer/sponsor then he must answer to them.

A tournament can make up some rules about participation, i.e. the player must clear their reasons for not participating in order to not endanger participation in future events. I would say however that the lesson for the betting crowd is to make sure that your player is involved and committed to the outcome to ensure his best effort. For the tournament it should be such that they make it clear what is expected. And I expect that betting pools are still pretty much illegal and that banning a player for not being an object to bet on is kind of shaky at best.

 

[Timberly]

You should feel lucky that the person whom apparently was your fan didnt straighten this out with you physically.

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While you may think im a jealous wanna be that will say anything behind a keyboard that isnt the case. This is my first post and a great one in that im able to give an opinion on something like this. Nothing i say here wouldnt be said in person. If you like gambling at golf pm me, ill gamble with you at golf.

Looks like TBA found their way back to the forum.

 

[onepocketchump]

Hey Everyone,
Just for the fun of it I would like to ask a question. I in no way mean to start a word fight here. I'm also not trying to get any debates started. JUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION!!!

What would happen if either of the two teams, Steelers or Seahawks, decided to play golf in lieu of showing up for the Super Bowl???

Lamar

They would be punished according to the contracts they signed. Last time I checked there weren't any players on the Viking Tour that are guaranteed a good payday just for showing up. I don't think that any of the players are under contract or are employees of the Viking Tour.

The point is moot anyway. When a player pays his own money to participate then he should be free to not participate for whatever reason he wants to. People forfeit out of tournaments in other sports all the time and their particpation is regulated according to whatever rules their organizaton imposes and what they agreed to.

In short order John Schmidt will be making so much money on the IPT that players like myself will be able to play the tours like the Viking tour without having to worry about a slew of players of his caliber. OR - Mike will make a deal somewhere and the VIking Tour will start having milliion dollar payouts and there won't be a question in a pro pool player's mind which activity is more important to him, or her.

John

 

[Timberly]

I'll gamble with you at pool too. Obviously ill need a big spot because im one of those jealous people whom cant play anyway.

I would assume that you're giving John the 8 in this game of pool, correct? He is an "AZer" and your screen name says any AZer has the 8. I bet Hillybilly, Danny, & Shawn would like to get in on that action too.

 

[onepocketchump]

The player is automatically responsible the moment he enters the event. He has agreed to play and betting is based upon this agreement. The moment someone else purchases him, he has an agreement that goes beyond himself and the tour. A tour holds the right to revoke membership for almost any reason that would be deemed unwanted behavior. Forfeiting a match under the forementioned circumstances can easily be defined as such.

I respectfully disagree. The player has only an obligation to himself. He has entered to attempt to win the tournament and his participation is totally up to him UNLESS there are some other stipulations agreed to either verbally or in writing.

There is no implied contract between the holder of the tournament and the participants beyond the reasonable expectation that the tournament prize money will be distributed as advertised. There is certainly no legal contract between the player and those who bet on him through a pool. There is no difference in a calcutta bet and a bet between two people - either way the player is not involved or obligated to play.

If you want to run a calcutta then set up a private booking operation and let anyone bet what they want to. All that is going to happen is that the pool of money is going to get cut up in nicely creative ways. There will be a few winners and lots of losers.

I am not sure how it works at the track - do the bettors get their money back if a horse doesn't race? If so, then maybe there ought to be a percentage that goes back to the bettor in the event of unexcused forfeits. I have no idea. I just think that calcuttas are pretty much just gambling and that it's insane to make a player responsible for the bets he is not part of other than to be the object of the bet.

John

 

[Donovan]

JS...you are alright!

Would have loved to be the first to tell you that you are appreciated here. But as you can see, you truly do have many fans! Please don't stop coming in here from time to time. You are alright in my book. Just ignore the idiots who have no business making comments. I made assumptions on what I saw on TV once, (ask Corey Duel, he'll tell you about me)...he made me a fan for life! CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 14.1 VIDEO BROTHER JOHN!

 

[Snapshot9]

Tournament rules ...

Why is a player auctioned off that isn't there?
Why would a player ever be allowed to forfeit the first match if they are not
there to play?
Entry fees are usually non-refundable after a certain date unless there is an emercency of some kind.
JS can do as he wants, although it would have been considerate of him to have notified Janis that he would not make it, and to withdraw him from the tournament.
And yes, when you enter a tournament, and pay your entry fee, it is an implied oral contract of sorts unless you withdraw by way of tournament rules, which includes notifying them of such. That's part of the reason for forfeiture of entry fees.
If the rules had been adhered to to begin with, JS would have never been auctioned to begin with.

 

[AnyAZer_hasthe8]

I would assume that you're giving John the 8 in this game of pool, correct? He is an "AZer" and your screen name says any AZer has the 8. I bet Hillybilly, Danny, & Shawn would like to get in on that action too.

I never mentioned giving John the 8 as i recall i said i would need a big spot. Maybe i should have considered the "Ask the Pro" section of this forum before i chose this name. Aside from those, my user name stands true. Obviously im not gonna give any pro the 8 but i will gamble with anyone breathing for any amount. If you anyone needs references to wether or not ill gamble pm me. I havent been around much lately due to some bad luck so to speak but several on this forum know ill gamble. If pool isnt your gambling game of choice me and my friends will gamble at arm wrestling, coin lagging, or beer drinking for as much money as anyone can bring.