John Schmidt BANNED from Viking Tour

This exact thing happened in Miami this weekend. The best player in the local 1000 added tournament was bought for the highest price in the calcutta. Lost a match, got pissed, and walked out instead of fighting it out in the losers bracket.

The interesting thing is that this player is always looking for sponsors and complaining about the lack of support for his game. The 3 people he burned in the calcutta were some of the wealthiest people in the pool hall, and they wont soon forget this.

The "fans" who bid in the calcutta, in many cases represent opportunities for the players to network for support, sponsorship and stakehorses. If a player I bought in a calcutta quit the tournament, you better believe I wouldnt stake that person for a dime in the future and I would tell all my friends the same. Schmidt, even in a scenario where he is just looking out for himself, should have played.
 
Blackjack said:
IMO, John Schmidt sets the standard for professionalism.
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Yeah any guy that has demonstrated that he may or may not show up for a match when someone else's money is involved sure sounds like a true "professional" huh? Funny how you never hear about pros like Archer or Reyes or any of those guys pulling these stunts.....Maybe thats because they know what it takes to keep the sport going and they are willing to do whatever it takes to support it so that they can continue to make their living doing what they were put here to do. I guess re-scheduling the golf round was just a little too much to ask of Mr. Schmidt the "professional".

Southpaw
 
There's no point to even go deep into the subject. That was such a classless act. Once you get to the pro level (like John is) you should know that you have responsibilities to take care of. He knew he was playing in an event with players auction first off. Yeah you can do what you want, but dont be a punk ass about it. A lot of people look up to pro players and admire them for their talents. Pool already has a reputation for pieces of trash playing the game. I thought it was cleaning up a lot with the IPT starting, but it seems these people's morals havent changed. That $400 may be a lot of cash to dish out for the buyer of John in that auction. You can be like Michael Jordan and be a class act, or Kobe Bryant and disgrace the game. It's a shame and I hope the buyer got his money back.
 
You knew what you were doing and you knew that some poor soul was gonna suffer.
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This is only true if J.S. expected to be banned from the tour instead of being allowed to come up through the one loss side of the bracket.

Unless I am missing something, J.S.'s actions did not ensure his tournament loss. He had no way of knowing that a single forfeit would essentially count as two match losses.
 
Making me sick dude!

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So basically you are saying that TDs like janis should travel on the road for 6-8 months at a time, away from family and friends and life as they know it, to hold these tournies for guys like you and them do it for free? You would really love that huh John? You cry and whine all the time about your integrity and credibility and how "professional" pool players dont get paid enough or get the respect that the sport deserves....well guess what buddy...this kind of crap is why! If you were a top "professional" in any other sport and pulled this little no show game....you would have been fined a hell of a lot more than $400. What you did was just a complete lack of respect for another person. You knew what you were doing and you knew that some poor soul was gonna suffer. Maybe you just thought that janis would refund his money to him, but you still knew that your decision and lack of "professionalism" would have an affect on another person. As for me, well maybe i am a pool player wanna-be, but its people like me that want to play and see the game played correctly that keep the game going in small towns and pool rooms....not guys like you that think since they are on top of the sport that they can do whatever the hell they want to and everyone is just supposed to kiss their ass and forget it. It all comes down to one word..."PROFESSIONAL". Are you one or not??

Southpaw
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Wish you would get off John's jock. He didn't ask anyone to buy him, and it is up to any player to quit a tourney whenever he wants to. The player doesn't owe the calcutta anything at all. If you buy a player there is no Guarantee that you will make a dime off of them, and then is he to repay because he got beat out, NO!! John does set a high standard for professionalism. I have left many a tournament to go play golf, it's MY DAY period. He wasn't sponsored in the event to play or sign autographs or work a booth, he showed up to play and then changed his mind when something better came along. What would be the difference if he just dumped his match really quick so he could leave? Quit being a HACK and leave it alone. You don't know what your'e talking about if you have never been there.
Remember this "We don't play for the calcutta, some will by themselves or other players, and we can still manipulate the outcome in our favor if we want to"
 
Chris said:
This is only true if J.S. expected to be banned from the tour instead of being allowed to come up through the one loss side of the bracket.

Unless I am missing something, J.S.'s actions did not ensure his tournament loss. He had no way of knowing that a single forfeit would essentially count as two match losses.
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So you dont think that the guy that bought him in the auction should feel cheated? He bought a very well known player in a double elimination tourney that had a very good chance of winning and could have possibly only seen him play one match...at best! John should have spoke up and told Janis to take his name out of the auction because there may be a chance that he may miss his 1st match or possibly not be able to play at all.....WOW how difficult would that have been??

Southpaw
 
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PROG8R said:
Wish you would get off John's jock. He didn't ask anyone to buy him, and it is up to any player to quit a tourney whenever he wants to. The player doesn't owe the calcutta anything at all. If you buy a player there is no Guarantee that you will make a dime off of them, and then is he to repay because he got beat out, NO!! John does set a high standard for professionalism. I have left many a tournament to go play golf, it's MY DAY period. He wasn't sponsored in the event to play or sign autographs or work a booth, he showed up to play and then changed his mind when something better came along. What would be the difference if he just dumped his match really quick so he could leave? Quit being a HACK and leave it alone. You don't know what your'e talking about if you have never been there.
Remember this "We don't play for the calcutta, some will by themselves or other players, and we can still manipulate the outcome in our favor if we want to"
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Another great promoter of the sport of pool I see....Good luck with this career.

Southpaw
 
I also don't understand why some of these posters keep bringing up whether calcuttas/player auctions are legal or not? Does that have any bearing on the topic of this post? Did John Schmidt walk out of the tournament because he didnt want to be apart of something illegal? NO--he walked out because he felt he could make more money on the golf course that day.

Mike Janis--answer: Did you give the $400 back to the person that bought John Schmidt?
 
Originally posted by Southpaw:
So you dont think that the guy that bought him in the auction shouldnt feel cheated? He bought a very well known player in a double elimination tourney that had a very good chance of winning and could have possibly only seen him play one match...at best! John should have spoke up and told Janis to take his name out of the auction because there may be a chance that he may miss his 1st match or possibly not be able to play at all.....WOW how difficult would that have been??
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If the guy that bought him in the auction feels cheated, IMO he should take it up with the TD, as it was the TD's decision that eliminated JS from the tournament, and not JS's forfeit of a single match. There's no reason JS shouldn't have had the opportunity to win from the one loss side.
 
uwate said:
This exact thing happened in Miami this weekend. The best player in the local 1000 added tournament was bought for the highest price in the calcutta. Lost a match, got pissed, and walked out instead of fighting it out in the losers bracket.

The interesting thing is that this player is always looking for sponsors and complaining about the lack of support for his game. The 3 people he burned in the calcutta were some of the wealthiest people in the pool hall, and they wont soon forget this.

The "fans" who bid in the calcutta, in many cases represent opportunities for the players to network for support, sponsorship and stakehorses. If a player I bought in a calcutta quit the tournament, you better believe I wouldnt stake that person for a dime in the future and I would tell all my friends the same. Schmidt, even in a scenario where he is just looking out for himself, should have played.
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I have said before, When you buy an idiot, that is what you get. You have to measure a guys ability against the 'quit factor' 'dog factor' 'drug factor' 'oversleep factor' 'lost on the way factor' etc. There is no way that you should just look at ability.

There should be a negative risk premium in all these erratic players auction prices. Just like at the trotters-If the fastest horse in the race is a "breaker", he is never gonna be the odds on favorite. If he stays flat you probably will be looking good but if he breaks, you are done.
 
watchez said:
I also don't understand why some of these posters keep bringing up whether calcuttas/player auctions are legal or not? Does that have any bearing on the topic of this post?
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Because if it's illegal then it the calcutta/auction should not have been held and this whole situation could have been avoided. People in the past have been arrested for gambling and people in the future will be arrested for gambling, they are doing it of their own free will.

Imagine if you travel hundreds of miles to spend the week/weekend at a tournament and they hold an auction. The tournament gets cancelled because of the auction and you are out all of your traveling expenses, how woul you feel?

Gambling is gambilng and it should be between people that agree upon the stakes and the game.....or completely on the side, not run by the same people that run the tournament to avoid any conflicts of interest.

And yes it has a bearing to this thread, if you don't resolve the dispute and figure out what the best thing to do is in the future, have you really learned anything?
 
pillage6 said:
Because if it's illegal then it the calcutta/auction should not have been held and this whole situation could have been avoided. People in the past have been arrested for gambling and people in the future will be arrested for gambling, they are doing it of their own free will.

Imagine if you travel hundreds of miles to spend the week/weekend at a tournament and they hold an auction. The tournament gets cancelled because of the auction and you are out all of your traveling expenses, how woul you feel?

Gambling is gambilng and it should be between people that agree upon the stakes and the game.....or completely on the side, not run by the same people that run the tournament to avoid any conflicts of interest.

And yes it has a bearing to this thread, if you don't resolve the dispute and figure out what the best thing to do is in the future, have you really learned anything?
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When was the last time a tournament anywhere was canceled or raided by the police for a calcutta? John Schmidt knows this--they have calcuttas at golf tournaments. Both locals by hackers & on the pro tour. Believe me these are much bigger than anything pool has ever seen and I don't think they have made any arrests outside of Augusta each year. Police have better things to do.

And if you are going to worry about that, maybe you should be worried that the police will come in & search the pockets of the pool players for illegal items and shut the tournament down.
 
No offense JAM, but...

JAM said:
...However, in this day and age, being a good pool player does not pay the bills; that is, unless you're sponsored by one of the few industry members out there who can afford it...JAM
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Is anyone else tired of this statement being used as an excuse for the lack of professionalism exhibited in pocket billiards today?

Yes, pool players are unappreciated. Yes, they don't make good money. Yes, it's been that way for a long time. Yes, it sucks. But these facts are not justification for doing what John Schmidt did and many other top pool players have done.

The reality is that until professional pool players begin acting like professionals, pool will never be elevated to the place where it can "pay the bills". You'll see this in the coming year. If someone walks out on an IPT event, you watch how quickly their butt gets tossed right off the tour. KT is going to demand a level of professionalism because that is what pool will need to become mainstream. If he is unsuccessful in ensuring professionalism, his tour will flop.

Come on John, get with it. Admit your mistake and move on.
 
Just because it hasn't happened in a while doesn't mean it can't. Are the auctions at the golf tournaments held by the same people running the tournament? My guess would be no.
 
interesting info

Very interesting laws.

taken from
http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0849/ch0849.htm

849.07 Permitting gambling on billiard or pool table by holder of license.--If any holder of a license to operate a billiard or pool table shall permit any person to play billiards or pool or any other game for money, or any other thing of value, upon such tables, she or he shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

849.14 Unlawful to bet on result of trial or contest of skill, etc.--Whoever stakes, bets or wagers any money or other thing of value upon the result of any trial or contest of skill, speed or power or endurance of human or beast, or whoever receives in any manner whatsoever any money or other thing of value staked, bet or wagered, or offered for the purpose of being staked, bet or wagered, by or for any other person upon any such result, or whoever knowingly becomes the custodian or depositary of any money or other thing of value so staked, bet, or wagered upon any such result, or whoever aids, or assists, or abets in any manner in any of such acts all of which are hereby forbidden, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
 
Buying a player in a calcutta involves risk. Most participants understand the risks involved (forfeits, dumping, etc.). If a player decides to forfeit, he cannot be forced to play just because he went high in the calcutta.

What if some local guy went for $25 in the calcutta and then went out and played golf instead, should he be banned too?
 
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Southpaw said:
Yeah any guy that has demonstrated that he may or may not show up for a match when someone else's money is involved sure sounds like a true "professional" huh? Funny how you never hear about pros like Archer or Reyes or any of those guys pulling these stunts.....Maybe thats because they know what it takes to keep the sport going and they are willing to do whatever it takes to support it so that they can continue to make their living doing what they were put here to do. I guess re-scheduling the golf round was just a little too much to ask of Mr. Schmidt the "professional".

Southpaw
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He missed 1 match and you're upset? It happens. Passing judgment on his professionalism isn't necessary. People make mistakes. John didn't twist that guy's arm to pay $400 into the player auction and chances are that John would not have seen a dime if the guy made any money back. That's reality. That's how players view it. You bring up Johnny Archer... that's probably the guy John went golfing with. lol
 
Wager on a horse and you can be the victim of the horse's behaviour.

Niatross, one of the fastest and most consistent pacers of all time once went, with driver and sulky, over the hub rail. Puss n Boots became famous for jumping the rail at Woodbine and going for a swim in an infield pond.

Like Puss, Schmitt has an inexplicible affinity for water hazards. Let the punters beware.

No refunds to the bettors.:D
 
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Well this has went far enough. First of all you can believe this or not, but I did not know I could be taken off the calcutta list, since I have played in around seventy five tourneys in my life, its my fault that I did not know that. Further more, I never pay any attention to the calcuttas because they are not good odds on the money. Had I have known I would have been forfetted out of the one pocket , eight ball, and nine ball, I would have shown up . And no I wasnt playing golf for big money, It was just Johnny Archer , Corey Duell, and myself playing for fun. You guys bring up my proffesionalism and personally , I dont consider myself a proffesional player. I am just someone who shows up to tourneys occasionally, I only played in nine last year , to try to make a little money. I was not sponsored at that time and no one was paying my bills, so I feel that if I cant make it to a match on time thats my problem. As far as the IPT goes, I will obviously do what is best for the tour, because there is enough money involved to make me show up on time, and they are organized enough to let me know the rules if I dont. Thats about all I can say and I will never be involved in another calcutta. John Schmidt
 
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