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CJ
John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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CJ
The game is played mostly by feel....I've always used the expression "I feel with my eyes when I play pool".... people always said as I was growing up "that kid has a great eye" or other references to eye sight...however, there are many great players that don't have great eye sight and play outstanding (I saw Mike Lebron win the US OPEN and put on glasses to rack the balls and to see if he could "hit" certain shots) ... this is because they develop a type of "radar" that allows them to feel how much of the object ball they're hitting.....even with that being said they STILL must be about to see some kind of connection between the CB and the OB....from talking to many of them that can't explain what they do one thing became apparent to me.....they do look at the center AND/OR the edge of the Object Ball.....this is how I came up with my Aiming System....it's not a system I invented, it's a system that came apparent trying to figure out what I did (and other top pros) when I was in "The Zone" or "Dead Stroke".
As we wait for the diagrams,
If one aims the left edge of the CB at the left edge of the OB, he will have a straight in shot.
If one aims the center of the CB at the center of the OB, he will have a straight in shot.
If he aims the center of the CB at the right edge of the OB to cut to the left, he will have a 30 degree cut angle.
If he aims the left edge f the CB at the right edge of the OB to cut left, he will have a 90 degree cut.
The diagrams will then show what point on the CB one aims at the center and edges of the OB to derive the other cut angles.
Sean has offered in another thread that one can memorize the resulting cut angles for using fraction on the OB. One can then memorize the resulting cut angles when aiming, say, the 1/4 and 3/4 points on the CB at the center and edges of the OB (as you proffer)...then the thirds...then the 1/8ths etc..
I offer this for those that want to play around with your method while we wait for your diagrams.
Just saying.:smile::thumbup:
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The Connection System
That's all correct, except I'm not sure an "edge to edge" is actually 90 Degrees, maybe 89.9 :shrug:...and yes center to center is straight and as you connect less of the cue ball to the object ball it creates more and more of an angle....when I reach the edge to the center I've reached what I refer to as a transitional point and switch from for example the right edge of the cue ball to the center (of OB) to, instead the CENTER of the cue ball to the Left edge of the Object Ball (which is still a "half ball hit").....this, again is all done BEFORE getting down on the shot.....I think it's better for me to call it a "Connection System" rather than an aiming system....it seems like the aiming system has a stigma attached to it with many people.....I'm new to these type conversations, so I'm kinda in the dark about what's been said, and it looks like there are some strong opinions and I respect that....I just know what works for me and I am known for my shot making , especially on long shots.
That's all correct, except I'm not sure an "edge to edge" is actually 90 Degrees, maybe 89.9 :shrug:...and yes center to center is straight and as you connect less of the cue ball to the object ball it creates more and more of an angle....when I reach the edge to the center I've reached what I refer to as a transitional point and switch from for example the right edge of the cue ball to the center (of OB) to, instead the CENTER of the cue ball to the Left edge of the Object Ball (which is still a "half ball hit").....this, again is all done BEFORE getting down on the shot.....I think it's better for me to call it a "Connection System" rather than an aiming system....it seems like the aiming system has a stigma attached to it with many people.....I'm new to these type conversations, so I'm kinda in the dark about what's been said, and it looks like there are some strong opinions and I respect that....I just know what works for me and I am known for my shot making , especially on long shots.
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Thanks for the reply. :smile:
Yeah, my timing has been a little off lately.
John
CJ, adding my 2 cents. Apparently while on vacation and not on the forum for a few weeks another 30 page thread sprang up, who knew... 
Just wanted to say I've enjoyed your posts, they are very well thought out and well written and you hit on a lot of great concepts. Recently I especially liked the one about spending conscious effort to learn the game, a system, etc. and then at some point "letting go" and just letting it happen. That is a crucial step that is often overlooked and one that I learned the hard way after 6+ months of struggling with my game after making a lot of conscious changes - new aiming approach, preshot routine, shaft, etc.
Now after a few week layoff, I can go to the pool hall and while I'm a little off my feel and confidence, I'm not thinking about all of the minutia that I was before. I'm confident with my alignment/sighting/routine and can just focus on concentration and execution. Took a while to get there but I'm finally there.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for contributing to the conversations and look forward to more of your insight.
Scott
Just wanted to say I've enjoyed your posts, they are very well thought out and well written and you hit on a lot of great concepts. Recently I especially liked the one about spending conscious effort to learn the game, a system, etc. and then at some point "letting go" and just letting it happen. That is a crucial step that is often overlooked and one that I learned the hard way after 6+ months of struggling with my game after making a lot of conscious changes - new aiming approach, preshot routine, shaft, etc.
Now after a few week layoff, I can go to the pool hall and while I'm a little off my feel and confidence, I'm not thinking about all of the minutia that I was before. I'm confident with my alignment/sighting/routine and can just focus on concentration and execution. Took a while to get there but I'm finally there.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for contributing to the conversations and look forward to more of your insight.
Scott
I've found that on straight in shots to shots with small angles, the object ball can easily be made by aiming center ball on the CB with your tip pointed directly at the contact point on the OB. Want to use english? Just use BHE.
It doesn't work on all shots though. Seems to lose it's effect when you can no longer aim your tip right at the contact point.
It doesn't work on all shots though. Seems to lose it's effect when you can no longer aim your tip right at the contact point.
Try aiming the right side of your tip (or shaft) at the center (when cutting to the right/ left side cutting to the left) and see what happens....there's a few "tricks" to making those slight cuts much easier....many pros use the side of their tip/shaft/ or like me just use a touch of inside on most of their shots.
Same as center to center and pivot 1/2 tip to the outside. The edge of your shaft ends up at the center.
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Here is how I interpret CJ's aiming method.
The fractions on the CB and the resulting cut angles are from the left edge and are approximated for Power Point is just a cartoon and not CAD.
Some wiewers will get the idea and depending on your vision center the cut angles will vary from shooter to shooter. With time at the table, one can memorize the aim point on the CB that is aimed at the center or edge of the OB and the resuting cut angle.
The pic on the right is aimed at the right edge of the OB and the fraction is 3/8 and not 7/8 from the left edge - my mistake.
just sayin and drawing.:smile::thumbup:
The fractions on the CB and the resulting cut angles are from the left edge and are approximated for Power Point is just a cartoon and not CAD.
Some wiewers will get the idea and depending on your vision center the cut angles will vary from shooter to shooter. With time at the table, one can memorize the aim point on the CB that is aimed at the center or edge of the OB and the resuting cut angle.
The pic on the right is aimed at the right edge of the OB and the fraction is 3/8 and not 7/8 from the left edge - my mistake.
just sayin and drawing.:smile::thumbup:
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I'll give it a try. Something else that helps on on those cut shots is to aim for a slightly thicker or thinner hit depending on the cut angle.
If you have the ability to see the OB contact point (not everybody can), then you have aiming options. For instance, instead of memorizing "fractional" starting alignments you could simply use center-to-contactpoint as your starting alignment. You still have to adjust your aim from the starting alignment, but having the contact point to work with is very valuable.
One way to adjust "scientifically" from the centerball-to-contactpoint starting alignment is called "double-the-distance". I describe it in this thread: "Basic Aiming Methods Illustrated".
pj
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Here is how I interpret CJ's aiming method.
The fractions on the CB and the resulting cut angles are from the left edge and are approximated for Power Point is just a cartoon and not CAD.
Some wiewers will get the idea and depending on your vision center the cut angles will vary from shooter to shooter. With time at the table, one can memorize the aim point on the CB that is aimed at the center or edge of the OB and the resuting cut angle.
The pic on the right is aimed at the right edge of the OB and the fraction is 3/8 and not 7/8 from the left edge - my mistake.
This is a great diagram and although the relationships are the same as I illustrated in volume 3 of my Ultimate Pool Secrets I like yours better....as it shows the less of the CB hitting the center, the more angle is produced....after you visually learn how this works it's time to start sensing it...I've always thought of it as "feeling the angle with my eyes".....Less is More, in other words, the less of the cue ball you connect to the center of the object ball the More the cut angle.....the same therefore goes for connecting to the edge of the OB...LESS IS MORE...it's easy to remember for your subconscious especially, it can deal with a hundred times more info than this
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Here is how I interpret CJ's aiming method.
The fractions on the CB and the resulting cut angles are from the left edge and are approximated for Power Point is just a cartoon and not CAD.
Some wiewers will get the idea and depending on your vision center the cut angles will vary from shooter to shooter. With time at the table, one can memorize the aim point on the CB that is aimed at the center or edge of the OB and the resuting cut angle.
The pic on the right is aimed at the right edge of the OB and the fraction is 3/8 and not 7/8 from the left edge - my mistake.
This is a great diagram and although the relationships are the same as I illustrated in volume 3 of my Ultimate Pool Secrets I like yours better....as it shows the less of the CB hitting the center, the more angle is produced....after you visually learn how this works it's time to start sensing it...I've always thought of it as "feeling the angle with my eyes".....Less is More, in other words, the less of the cue ball you connect to the center of the object ball the More the cut angle.....the same therefore goes for connecting to the edge of the OB...LESS IS MORE...it's easy to remember for your subconscious especially, it can deal with a hundred times more info than this
Thanks.
The more time at the table one has with this/your method or any other viable method, the more feel "Been there done that." becomes automatic.
You have injected a breath of fresh air into this neglected Forum.
Keep it coming and be well.:thumbup:
Yes, you touched on something that's very important and I'm not hearing addressed....In my Ultimate Pool Secrets DVD I refer to it as the "Three Part Pocket System"....I divide the pocket into 3 parts and aim at one part while addressing the cue ball to throw the Object ball into one of the other two parts....this is something I learned in golf.....Pro golfers aren't trying to hit any of their longer shots straight, they, instead aim for one side of the fairway and either draw or fade the ball into the middle or other side...I'm doing the same thing, and if we hit it where we aim , it's still fine, however, we give ourselves a MUCH BIGGER margin for error....this is VERY important on long shots or on very tight pockets. CJ www.cjwiley.com
Was in Tunica last month and saw Landon play in person. Pretty convincing. I watched the CTE video a few months ago. I was impressed. The concept is not so much an aiming system as it is aligning the body, bridge, etc etc to the correct contact point. I watched Landon stand back up several times during 10 foot match with Earl. BTW he didn't miss any of those balls. That match is still viewable on insidepool.com I think. Kid played world class pool. And I see the aiming system he used. It is the the same system taught in the videos. I'm sure there is a mixture of god given ability and a lot of fine tuning but overall he uses the system. Just saying. I actually startled him by walking up beside him and his dad and telling him nice instructional video.
Interesting. Is the choice of using inside or outside english a matter of comfort like some golfers prefer fade or draw ?
If people are interested in the full context, this quote is from the following series of articles:
Aim, Align, Sight - Part I: Introduction and Ghost Ball Systems (BD, June, 2011).
Aim, Align, Sight - Part II: Visual Alignment (BD, July, 2011).
Aim, Align, Sight - Part III: Sighting (BD, August, 2011).
Aim, Align, Sight - Part II: Visual Alignment (BD, July, 2011).
Aim, Align, Sight - Part III: Sighting (BD, August, 2011).
I think these are good reads for anyone interested in aiming, alignment, and sighting ... the most important "fundamentals" of pool.
Enjoy,
Dave
Excellent summary of the ages-old CTE "debate."
I personally think all versions of CTE (including Stan's version of CTE) "work" for the people who use it effectively for the some or all of the reasons documented here:
I think these reasons explain how most cut shot aiming systems actually "work" (not on paper but in reality at the table) ... not just CTE.
Regards,
Dave