John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

We only recognize what we're familiar with.

BeiberLvr said:
Maybe CJ can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like this can help your overall pocketing skills. I think once you get the hang of the method, then pocketing balls at any speed and with any english is easier to adjust for. If that makes any sense.
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You are certainly on the right track.....I am limited to how I can explain something that actually connects to the whole game.....to isolate this "throwing the ball into a zone" technique isn't ideal and wouldn't have been the way I would have chosen it...but in a forum you just have to kind of "go with the flow".

At the very beginning of this thread John Schmidt talked skeptically about aiming because "how do you allow for spin and deflection" was one of his points and rightfully so..However, he knows how to USE spin and/or deflection to create Zones in Golf and Pool.....he plays golf so I know he understands Zone Play at a higher level than most players and would understand my points very well .....as a matter of fact I'm convinced that John and I would agree with each other on almost ALL of the points I'm making, even though we may describe them differently or even have a different way of looking at them....the common denominator would be that we BOTH use Zones for shot-making AND position play....he's a straight pool champion and I assure you he is very familiar with zones in his position play.....these two things are synonymous with each other..my original point is the complete perception of World Class playing involves SEEING ZONES to Maximize margin for error....that's the main thing that separates you from someone like John or me.....we SEE THESE THINGS naturally and I'm trying to explain something that you will see if you just give yourself the right information and don't let yourself give up on a new way of thinking..... what it comes down to is "no matter if you think YOU CAN or think YOU CAN'T...YOU ARE RIGHT"....once you start seeing the zone of the pocket and the table you will think it's humorous that you couldn't before...."We only recognize what we're familiar with" ....and such is life ;)

 
Holy sheite. I don't think I've entered this aiming room until this morning when I could not sleep. this is crazy over here, not the thread just the whole forum, man could starve to death wandering around in here.

Anyways wanted to thank EVERYONE for a pretty good thread and I am now going to celebrate my victory of reading through it by curling up with a good accustat, CJ and the Miz, 1991 I believe, hill hill great match. Watched a little bit today and could see CJ "Almost" miss two balls to the 3rd section of the pocket while applying that tiny bit of firm inside, lol
CJ I don't care how you were aiming those balls, you looked like a stone killer.
 
Living Legend said:
on all cut shots to the left, the right side (outside) of the pocket is considered closer to the ob ball, i believe. The right side of the pocket will always be your target unles a situation has come up on left cuts. You should have a feeling of over cutting the ob ball while hitting the cb off center to the inside ... My take on this technique so far.

I am pretty sure i understand the technique and all its advantages and I will try it out when i hit a room.
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Yes, when you're cutting ANY shot to the LEFT it's the RIGHT side of the pocket.....when you're cutting the ball to the RIGHT it's the LEFT side of the pocket.....very simple, very easy :dance:
 
Hal Mix ....a special teacher

Mitchxout said:
I like this alot. Hal Mix explained a similar technique in his book. :thumbup:
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I liked Hal a lot and have had some interesting conversations with him....he was very close to Nick Varner and loved watching and talking pool....he showed me one shot the I will always remember on how to MAXIMIZE english.....it only comes up occasionally, but it involves lengthening your follow through....he always liked that I didn't follow though and further than I drew the cue back....he thought that was a key to my accuracy....it was certainly one of the keys for sure ;)
 
Hal Mix ....a special teacher

Mitchxout said:
I like this alot. Hal Mix explained a similar technique in his book. :thumbup:
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I liked Hal a lot and have had some interesting conversations with him....he was very close to Nick Varner and loved watching and talking pool....he showed me one shot that I will always remember on how to MAXIMIZE english.....it only comes up occasionally, but it involves lengthening your follow through....he always liked that I didn't follow though any further than I drew the cue back....he thought that was a key to my accuracy....it was certainly one of the keys ;)
 
That's really, really funny. Looks like they got CJ. He's trapped in here, never thought it would happen. (CJ, if you are reading this get out son!!!)

I suscribed to this thread early on. Unsubscribed a month ago. Just wondered back in and the same sh!t.


Joe T said:
Holy sheite. I don't think I've entered this aiming room until this morning when I could not sleep. this is crazy over here, not the thread just the whole forum, man could starve to death wandering around in here.

Anyways wanted to thank EVERYONE for a pretty good thread and I am now going to celebrate my victory of reading through it by curling up with a good accustat, CJ and the Miz, 1991 I believe, hill hill great match. Watched a little bit today and could see CJ "Almost" miss two balls to the 3rd section of the pocket while applying that tiny bit of firm inside, lol
CJ I don't care how you were aiming those balls, you looked like a stone killer.
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Hungarian said:
That's really, really funny. Looks like they got CJ. He's trapped in here, never thought it would happen. (CJ, if you are reading this get out son!!!)

I suscribed to this thread early on. Unsubscribed a month ago. Just wondered back in and the same sh!t.
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lol try reading a post next time brother :)
 
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When it happens..the only sounds will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Do I have a volunteer to be first?
 
Just guessing.....

I am guessing that CJ uses a traditional maple shaft instead of a low deflection shaft, because of the way he aims cut shots.

CJ, am I correct about this?
 
LAMas said:
Welcome back.
The bolded, to me, makes the pocket effectively larger and increases your percentage of makes.:smile::thumbup:
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When I use the bold blue fonts, I always hit my mark. :grin:
 
Just wondering how do you guys that pivot work this into your system.
Not trying to be funny here just curious on how your going to address what CJ is telling us here.
 
8pack said:
Just wondering how do you guys that pivot work this into your system.
Not trying to be funny here just curious on how your going to address what CJ is telling us here.
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Don't see the problem?? Same way you would when you add english. Most of the pivot systems give you a center pocket alignment. From there, it's an easy adjustment to aim a hair fuller for the outside of the pocket.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
You can duct-tape all of those guys together and you don't have 10% of CJ's knowledge when it comes to playing good pool. CJ is one of the most knowledgeable pros on earth. To suggest otherwise is a circle jerk of ignorance.

P.S.

Let me clarify my comment. CJ's philosophies on pool deal with the simplification of pool down to workable levels... not the opposite. Guys like Dr. Dave, Bob Jewett and in some cases you, PJ, deal with degrees down to the hundreth decimal place, cosines and parabola curves showing math that really doesn't matter. What they do is cement your place in pool-math history to break things down to levels that don't apply in real game play.

Guys like Ralph Greenleaf likely couldn't carry the "1" to the ten's column but would put 200 on you from the break in a heartbeat. In fact, I'd bet most super-great players were/are so bad at math they couldn't do long-division with a pencil and paper if bet to do so.

Guys like CJ have found workable methods to take an infinite game to a workable and objective level. The REAL genius isn't excel charts showing degree variances in making shots from different diamond distances. That's nothing but a science fair project. The REAL genius is the opposite>>>>>>> How to take pool and compact it to a level that PHYSICALLY MAKES THE BALL without the need for post-graduate math.

I know you guys are all fans of advanced math and using it to post facts that to the average player doesn't mean anything when down on a key ball. If you've ever spent the time to read CJ's Facebook page (going back months of posts), you'd see he is a TRUE genius at execution and problem solving at the very, very simplest level--- which happens to be the most repeatable level. We never had a chance to pick his brain on his concentration techniques, his martial-arts and how it applies to his "zone" -- anything like that. It's a shame.

So we all have our heroes--- outside of a title Bob won 30 years ago, none of the guys you mentioned have accomplished anything in regards to playing. CJ has a laundry list of titles, championships and TV appearances. THAT'S the guy I want to learn from -- not the B-level academics.

Not a knock on those guys--- I'm just in a frank mood today. We need those guys too--- but they serve a different role.
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Far Out! Right On! I agree. You can not put a correct price tag on Mr. Wiley's insights. He gets to the 'truth' of the matter, and that is priceless. Like you said, no offense to anyone else. We need all the tools we can get into the tool box.
 
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