Most of us do support and use aiming systems to one degree or another, so in that sense we're all A.S.S.
John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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In either, case you still have 2/3's of a pocket. 1/3 + 1/3=2/3. Simple math.
The difference is the location. With center pocket, you have two sides to which you can be off and still go in the pocket. Aiming for one side of the pocket means you only have one side for error and still make the ball.
I used to shoot with a hair to the right of center and the OB would go a hair to the right...enough to miss a straight in shot.
I now start with my cue tip on the cloth at the base of the CB and raise my bridge to the center of the CB...then shoot several straight in shots. Then, if I am still sending the OB to a hair to the right, then I must adjust where I stroke my cue under my chin...to thee right or left of my dominant eye until I can make several straight in shots.
Cutting, as CJ recommends, with a hair of inside english while aiming at the closest side of the pocket, makes me become conscious of where the tip of my cue is...otherwise I would just take it for granted that the tip is going to hit the center of the CB.
This added step has been added to my PSR with better results than otherwise.:smile:
I now start with my cue tip on the cloth at the base of the CB and raise my bridge to the center of the CB...then shoot several straight in shots. Then, if I am still sending the OB to a hair to the right, then I must adjust where I stroke my cue under my chin...to thee right or left of my dominant eye until I can make several straight in shots.
Cutting, as CJ recommends, with a hair of inside english while aiming at the closest side of the pocket, makes me become conscious of where the tip of my cue is...otherwise I would just take it for granted that the tip is going to hit the center of the CB.
This added step has been added to my PSR with better results than otherwise.:smile:
Which ones do you use and support other than ghost ball?
Grasshopper you have a long way to go to learn what the cinch is. May you be favored with enlightenment someday.
You are hedging your errors so that you don't miss to one side... So you have Target +1/3 +1/3.... IF you aim center and don't hedge you can miss either way and you get 1/3 +Target +1/3 which mathematically is the same equation but effectively it's not even close... Since you can miss by 2/3rds in a single direction and have removed misses in the other direction using CJ's technique your effective pocket is enlarged by 1/3 over the aiming center pocket idea.... You cannot miss more than by 1/3rd in either direction center pocket... you can miss by 2/3rds with CJ's method.....
Maybe a better way to look at it would be using the a single axis where the integers are the scale of the miss....
-1,0,1 would be the integers for center pocket you may miss the center by a factor of 1 either positive or negative and you are successful
0,1,2 would be the integers for the method CJ has been discussing... SO you can miss by a factor of 2 and still make the ball...
So mathematically CJ's method makes the target pocket twice as large as center pocket.......
J.a.c.k.a.s.s.
J.A.C.K.A.S.S. - Just Ask CJ Kindly Aiming System Supporters :groucho:
J.A.C.K.A.S.S. - Just Ask CJ Kindly Aiming System Supporters :groucho:
I primarily use Dr. Dave's aiming system, DAM, as it is a bit more refined than the ghost ball aiming system. For kicking or banking, I may use multiple aiming systems.
Back in the day, some folks considered themselves part of the Aiming Systems Mafia (ASM) so we've come a long way since then. :groucho:
That is not an aiming system. Dr. Dave admits that the D.A.M. acronym was created to MOCK aiming systems.
Do you support any of the aiming systems primarily discussed here? Referring specifically to Center to Edge, ProOne, The SEE System, and any similar methods.
there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger
Yes, there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger. It teaches an accelerating stroke that is extremely accurate and enables you to do things with the cue ball that you COULD NOT do before. It wasn't that you weren't capable of doing it, you just didn't know it was an option.
That's why you MUST do it for 3 hours staight to allow your perception to change long enough to grasp it. Then, even if you go back to your old style you will play it differently. You will "Real Eyes" that there's another type of shot you can hit and you will recognize the ZONE in the pocket - The Three Part Pocket System I speak of in my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
When I first spoke of the 3 Part Pocket System I advised people to use ouside english and hit it slower just because I didn't want to get into "changing players perceptions", but now I'm sharing the "real deal". This is the system I used to dominate the gambling world for several years. I went 3 straight years and won countless gambling matches and the list of people I played was very impressive.
They all knew I was doing something addressing the ball that was powerful, but I didn't talk about what it was. Even now, when I share it there's many people that won't try it just out of principle. This is perfectly ok with me, I'm only here to help a few players that REALLY want to explore a new dimension in their pool game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger. It teaches an accelerating stroke that is extremely accurate and enables you to do things with the cue ball that you COULD NOT do before. It wasn't that you weren't capable of doing it, you just didn't know it was an option.
That's why you MUST do it for 3 hours staight to allow your perception to change long enough to grasp it. Then, even if you go back to your old style you will play it differently. You will "Real Eyes" that there's another type of shot you can hit and you will recognize the ZONE in the pocket - The Three Part Pocket System I speak of in my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
When I first spoke of the 3 Part Pocket System I advised people to use ouside english and hit it slower just because I didn't want to get into "changing players perceptions", but now I'm sharing the "real deal". This is the system I used to dominate the gambling world for several years. I went 3 straight years and won countless gambling matches and the list of people I played was very impressive.
They all knew I was doing something addressing the ball that was powerful, but I didn't talk about what it was. Even now, when I share it there's many people that won't try it just out of principle. This is perfectly ok with me, I'm only here to help a few players that REALLY want to explore a new dimension in their pool game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
No, that title was hung derisively along with a lot of similarly derisive terms on those who simply wanted to discuss the various methods of aiming without persecution. The persecutors have enjoyed being able to deride with all sort of slurs.
Now however persistence has prevailed and the slurs are largely gone until brought back up in the form of quoted posts. At last we are mostly able to discuss the merits of the particular methods without derision. Hopefully the derision will end completely and the discussion can stick with technical merits.
Dr. Dave is primarily mocking the hyperbolic marketing aspect of aiming systems, and not necessarily the aiming systems themselves.
If you go to Dr. Dave's web site, he does reference two articles in Billiards Digest, which describe the details of what is his refined aiming system, DAM.
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there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger
Yes, there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger. It teaches an accelerating stroke that is extremely accurate and enables you to do things with the cue ball that you COULD NOT do before. It wasn't that you weren't capable of doing it, you just didn't know it was an option.
That's why you MUST do it for 3 hours straight to allow your perception to change long enough to grasp it. Then, even if you go back to your old style you will play it differently. You will "Real Eyes" that there's another type of shot you can hit and you will recognize the ZONE in the pocket - The Three Part Pocket System I speak of in my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
When I first spoke of the 3 Part Pocket System I advised people to use ouside english and hit it slower just because I didn't want to get into "changing players perceptions", but now I'm sharing the "real deal". This is the system I used to dominate the gambling world for several years. I went 3 straight years and won countless gambling matches and the list of people I played was very impressive.
They all knew I was doing something addressing the ball that was powerful, but I didn't talk about what it was. Even now, when I share it there's many people that won't try it just out of principle. This is normal and to be expected, I'm only sharing this information to help a few players that REALLY want to explore a new dimension in pool that few have experienced. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, there's much more to this technique than just making the pocket zone bigger. It teaches an accelerating stroke that is extremely accurate and enables you to do things with the cue ball that you COULD NOT do before. It wasn't that you weren't capable of doing it, you just didn't know it was an option.
That's why you MUST do it for 3 hours straight to allow your perception to change long enough to grasp it. Then, even if you go back to your old style you will play it differently. You will "Real Eyes" that there's another type of shot you can hit and you will recognize the ZONE in the pocket - The Three Part Pocket System I speak of in my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
When I first spoke of the 3 Part Pocket System I advised people to use ouside english and hit it slower just because I didn't want to get into "changing players perceptions", but now I'm sharing the "real deal". This is the system I used to dominate the gambling world for several years. I went 3 straight years and won countless gambling matches and the list of people I played was very impressive.
They all knew I was doing something addressing the ball that was powerful, but I didn't talk about what it was. Even now, when I share it there's many people that won't try it just out of principle. This is normal and to be expected, I'm only sharing this information to help a few players that REALLY want to explore a new dimension in pool that few have experienced. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I see. Well then perhaps you should start another thread on that method. Wouldn't quite get the same reaction I think as one which highlights a knock on them I think.
Since you are a proponent of Dave's method then why not open a discussion on it and see where it goes?
Good to know you are an A.S.S. I have long thought you might be but am glad to see you come out of the closet and join us.
In that line of thought, would you agree that words like "yeasayers and naysayers" and "haters" that some people are still using are derisive terms that should be done away with?
People are free to do what they want and have to deal with the consequence of those actions. The moderators have made it pretty clear that they don't want to see this type of conflict in these discussions. Therefore my opinion is that anyone who brings it back to to the fore is more interested in conflict than they are in peaceful and productive discussion.
The terms "yeasayers," "naysayers" and "haters" haven't been used in these threads in quite some time; why bring them up now? You know I like you Allen, but it's time for change.
I agree with John. If we can't all discuss aiming systems - and sometimes even disagree on them - without trying to start the war all over again, then the moderators will eventually yank our priveleges of discussing anything altogether. So why don't we just forget about all of the negative things that have been said in the past, and work on the positive things that can be said now and in the future?
Roger
PoolSharkAllen made it very clear exactly what he is doing here. He is baiting John for one reason. To get the post count of the thread up. For some strange reason, he thinks that is some kind of badge of honor or something. ??????????? I guess it is to him. To everyone else on here it doesn't mean squat.
Just read post 1456.
Just read post 1456.
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