John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

There are three levels of teaching, the surface structure, deep structure and deepest

JB Cases said:
From your link.

"Musashi establishes a "no-nonsense" theme throughout the text. For instance, he repeatedly remarks that technical flourishes are excessive, and contrasts worrying about such things with the principle that all technique is simply a method of cutting down one's opponent. He also continually makes the point that the understandings expressed in the book are important for combat on any scale, whether a one-on-one duel or a massive battle. Descriptions of principles are often followed by admonitions to "investigate this thoroughly" through practice rather than trying to learn them by merely reading."

Hmmm, sounds a lot like what all of who are learning CTE and TOI and SEE methods are already doing. And what you are NOT doing.

Sounds like you read these books but you don't follow their teachings. You quote Bruce Lee and don't learn like him, you recommend Musashi and don't practice what he teaches.

You dare to call a master player a purveyor of BS. I wonder what Musashi would have done with a student like you? In fact I wonder if you would have ever even been accepted as a student by any master swordsman in the 1600s? With the attitude you display here I would guess the answer would be no.

And even more interesting is that Musashi appears to be much like CJ Wiley in that he wrote a book espousing techniques that defied conventional wisdom and favored sparse motion designed to get the job done quickly and consistently.
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Yes, there are many parallels between what I teach and the teaching of the Samurai, Zen Masters and Martial Arts/Archery Instructors.

I use swords, archery, zen, and many "Far Eastern" concepts and philosophies in my first 4 videos and you can see it as a constant theme in my TOI Technique.
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There are three levels of teaching, the surface structure, which is physical, the deeper structure, which is mental, and the deepest structure, which is spiritual/unconscious. Everyone learns of the level that they are currently on, and this changes and matures constantly. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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For players wanting to improve your "feel for the game", try doing what I suggested......when you're above the shot see the "line of the shot" (with TOI this is center to center or center to edge), then go down and ONLY concentrate on the cue ball for a count of 5 - 5....4....3....2...1...(in this process switch from visual to complete "feeling/touch" mode) ....then look up at the object ball, however, JUST be aware of it's presence, then back to the specific spot you're aiming at on the cue ball, then EXTEND your tip through that spot with acceleration......as you watch the object ball and SEE it go into the pocket......make SURE to see what part of the pocket the object ball goes in so you can make any adjustment on your next shot. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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JB Cases said:
From your link.

"Musashi establishes a "no-nonsense" theme throughout the text. For instance, he repeatedly remarks that technical flourishes are excessive, and contrasts worrying about such things with the principle that all technique is simply a method of cutting down one's opponent. He also continually makes the point that the understandings expressed in the book are important for combat on any scale, whether a one-on-one duel or a massive battle. Descriptions of principles are often followed by admonitions to "investigate this thoroughly" through practice rather than trying to learn them by merely reading."

Hmmm, sounds a lot like what all of who are learning CTE and TOI and SEE methods are already doing. And what you are NOT doing.

Sounds like you read these books but you don't follow their teachings. You quote Bruce Lee and don't learn like him, you recommend Musashi and don't practice what he teaches.

You dare to call a master player a purveyor of BS. I wonder what Musashi would have done with a student like you? In fact I wonder if you would have ever even been accepted as a student by any master swordsman in the 1600s? With the attitude you display here I would guess the answer would be no.

And even more interesting is that Musashi appears to be much like CJ Wiley in that he wrote a book espousing techniques that defied conventional wisdom and favored sparse motion designed to get the job done quickly and consistently.
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tap tap tap!
 
believe in systems

bdorman said:
Who are they?

A singing group? Looks like their first hit was 130 pages ago.
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They are the only ones that haven't posted on this thread....ironically. :thumbup:

I wonder if John is starting to believe in systems yet? :wink:
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The answer is in our ability to explain them.

mista335 said:
He might. After all, a new aiming system was born since this thread was started.
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What aiming system are you referring to? I talked to John about it recently. I think it's a given that we all use systems, it's just whether we're consciously aware of them or not is the only question. The answer is in our ability to explain them.
 
CJ Wiley said:
They are the only ones that haven't posted on this thread....ironically. :thumbup:

I wonder if John is starting to believe in systems yet? :wink:
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LOL, John is so narrow minded the only thing he believe in is...his way or the highway!:D
 
TOI isn't an aiming system, I don't advise aiming, I do recommend aligning

mista335 said:
Why TOI of course.

Might not be new to you.
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I guess you could call "aiming" part of TOI, however, it's more of a playing system.

With the Touch Of Inside System I show how to take the 3 calculations you must make on each shot (no matter how you play), and blend them into one.

Speed - My cue speed is very consistent, instead of "slow rolling" balls I just cue it lower with the TOI and "stun/kill" the cue ball, and still accelerate.

Cue Ball Target - Some people actually teach there's up to 20 targets on the cue ball, with the TOI System they are much less and all are "Inside" the cue ball's center.

Angle of the Shot - The more Inside you cue the ball the more angle you create, so all your angles are created by using TOI...THE CUE BALL BECOMES THE TARGET because it's usually the same distance from you. With TOI you ALIGN (not aim) with the cue ball TO the object ball, either like a straight in shot or a half ball shot EVERY TIME.

Just clarifying why TOI isn't an aiming system, I don't advise aiming, I do recommend aligning consistently for consistent results.
 
Does anyone remember the days before TOI.

mista335 said:
Why TOI of course.

Might not be new to you.
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Does anyone remember the days before TOI. They were drab and uneventful weren't they?

Now thousands are using and benefiting from 'The Touch of Inside' and the world will never be the same. ;) This thread was where it all started, and shook the azbilliards forum like an Earthquake.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Does anyone remember the days before TOI. They were drab and uneventful weren't they?

Now thousands are using and benefiting from 'The Touch of Inside' and the world will never be the same. ;) This thread was where it all started, and shook the azbilliards forum like an Earthquake.
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We should move this thread over to the main forum and see what shakes out. :cool:

It'd probably get 3-4,000 more views in a couple of days. The downside is we'd probably lose several posters in all the heat! free-fighting-smileys-316.gif

Best,
Mike
 
CJ Wiley said:
Does anyone remember the days before TOI. They were drab and uneventful weren't they?

Now thousands are using and benefiting from 'The Touch of Inside' and the world will never be the same. ;) This thread was where it all started, and shook the azbilliards forum like an Earthquake.
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You actually resurrected a year old thread just to pat yourself on the back??

Drab? Not at all, in fact, there was the feeling of family on here before you started spamming your schtick. That's now gone, as you have driven away most of the good posters. Rather than stand up to your spamming and arrogance, they just left. As far as thousands benefiting, that's only in your dreams. Time to wake up to reality.

By the way, I heard you played some A player for a couple hundred a game a couple of weeks ago. Guess you don't quite have that TOI down pat yet, huh? Keep on trying though, you just might figure out how to play again.
 
lfigueroa said:
I doubt that there is a man among us who, if *Dad* was trying to sell something, wouldn't endorse it. Whether we truly used it or not.

Let's face it: if challenged on the issue, to a man, we would swear undying belief in whatever it was Dad was selling. It is what it is. Endorsements -- and inherent credibility -- stem from the roots of an unbiased position that can be recognized by one and all and withstand the challenge of bias. A father/son relationship does not withstand that scruntiny.

Lou Figueroa
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This statement shows you have no integrity. BELIEVE me Landon has INTEGRITY.
 
Neil said:
You actually resurrected a year old thread just to pat yourself on the back??

Drab? Not at all, in fact, there was the feeling of family on here before you started spamming your schtick. That's now gone, as you have driven away most of the good posters. Rather than stand up to your spamming and arrogance, they just left. As far as thousands benefiting, that's only in your dreams. Time to wake up to reality.

By the way, I heard you played some A player for a couple hundred a game a couple of weeks ago. Guess you don't quite have that TOI down pat yet, huh? Keep on trying though, you just might figure out how to play again.
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Neil, Why are you still chasing CJ around the forum with these needless attacks? I just don't get it.
 
This was the thread that led me to posting on azbilliards

Mikjary said:
We should move this thread over to the main forum and see what shakes out. :cool:

It'd probably get 3-4,000 more views in a couple of days. The downside is we'd probably lose several posters in all the heat! View attachment 371170

Best,
Mike
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This was the thread that led me to posting on azbilliards, it's ironic, I have some of the same "critics" following me around saying the same things. LoL - after over two years would you say this is "normal" or should I get a "internet restraining order". ;)

There is a lot of great information in this thread, it precedes the 'Touch of Inside' DVD, so players get some of the purest of the TOI knowledge.
 
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