If both players can do it then there is no issue with fairness. I have a jump cue and will jump. It's also fine for my opponent to jump - because jump shots are allowed. By saying what I've just said, I'm not saying I agree that jump shots should be allowed. "It's the same for both players" is a not a good argument because it would be the same for both players whatever the rules are (assuming the rules are not really weird and favour one player over the other).
JUMP CUE ISSUE SOLVED ?
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In other words, a poor positional play which most probably would have been penalized (or at least result in a loss of an inning at the table) - was not.
A 4-rail kick around the angles performed by Biado in the final match was a beauty! Unfortunately it resulted in a fould shot due to no rail contact, but that was exactly how this game should be played. Knowledge and skill at its finest.
I wouldn’t be opposed to not being allowed to jump out of my own mistakes but not for completely banning as it’s just another skill and I feel some are better than others at it like Fedor Gorst. Sure the average player can jump but not as well as the elite and the average player isn’t going to jump then proceed to run a 5 pack on you. I think it brings excitement. It was pure drama for me when Chua passed the push out jump shot to Oi. I was yelling for Chua to take the risk!
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
So how about this: In any tournament or league you are in charge of, ban jump cues. That was easy wasn't it?
Whatever way anyone feels about jump cues, it doesn't really matter unless you are the one putting on the event. If you don't like events allowing jump cues, don't play. I get what you mean but nothing will be solved by this thread and no opinions will change from one side to the other.
I took the time to find this situation as it seemed odd that he hit a "horrible" shot to get on the 1. In fact it was not a horrible play, but an unfortunately result from a combo. He clearly planned on the 1 to run up table slightly which would have given him a clean shot on the 1. That is beside the point of course. Just thought I'd add some realism to the horrible bias some are displaying in the thread.
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When you put in your own time, effort, and money to run your own tournament, you can do that.
I respectfully suggest my analogy is a tiny bit better than yours...
A chainsaw is not approved golf equipment, a jump cue is*.
A chainsaw involves destroying something, a jump cue doesn't.
It is not a good equivalent in my opinion.
*approved equipment, obviously not for golf ;-)
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Whether I struggle or not is surely irrelevant?
I could be a complete banger or a world champion, I would still use a legally permitted piece of equipment to my advantage if I could.
If jump cues were banned, I wouldn't use them. As they aren't I will use them if I think there is value in the shot.
As I've already said, I rarely jump, as for me personally there is often more value in kicking. However if I see value in the jump shot I will happily jump.
I struggle to see how that is remotely relevant to this discussion...I'm not sure many golfers in a bunker are asking the caddie whether they should use a driver?
I appreciate you are trying to suggest my golf analogy is rubbish, fair enough, but at least I've attempted to outline a counter view you've just tried to belittle my opinion without actually explaining why you feel it's wrong (which is fine btw, I don't mind, but you won't win many people over with that approach).
I'm starting to feel that you don't have an actual argument here...not that its a bad thing, I always have a bit of time for Van Halen ;-)
Or we could bring one of these to the table when we can’t reach over a big cluster of balls.
Okay....so by that logic should a bridge be banned too?
I rarely use one.
You can get rid of it, too.
Learn how to play position so that you don’t have to utilize the bridge.
Fair enough, it's a valid view, although personally I wouldn't be in favour as I'm short and need it far more than most!
But as with the jump cue, if its legal I'll use it, if its not I won't!
YEP.
Who needs an old stone-aged game when the new-age people can play virtual pool on their phones and save money to move out of the basement.
My favorite tournament of the year. RIP MO AM State 9 ball.
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Imagine the CB on the rail surrounded by 7 balls numbered from 3-9 with the 1-ball and 2-ball outside of the enclosure.
If confronted with the above situation, and the no-jump-cue rule, are you just going to pick up the CB and hand it to your opponent ?
If confronted with the above situation, and the no-jump-cue rule, are you just going to pick up the CB and hand it to your opponent ?
I've just came up with an idea (sorry golf addicts 
) If a player changes cues midway into the rack, he(she) continues playing with this very cue until the end of his(her) inning! 
Imagine running out with a shorty, LOL
Hence, even in such a situation a player is expected to make a move, as if playing chess. Change the position of the balls, even slightly. In case both players don't wish to disturb the position due to risk of losing the rack, three turns at the table with no obvious proceeding to the end of the rack results in a stalemate. Again, see world rules for this one.
) If a player changes cues midway into the rack, he(she) continues playing with this very cue until the end of his(her) inning! Imagine running out with a shorty, LOL
A player must make a shot, i.e. drive the cue ball with the stroking motion of his cue. Trying to pass turn in a manner you described is unsportsmanlike conduct, under official rules of play.
Hence, even in such a situation a player is expected to make a move, as if playing chess. Change the position of the balls, even slightly. In case both players don't wish to disturb the position due to risk of losing the rack, three turns at the table with no obvious proceeding to the end of the rack results in a stalemate. Again, see world rules for this one.
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