Jump Cue

Buckeyejim

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I have just recently started reading AZBilliards forum, and became 'hooked' immed., Lots of info. I could use some more- what is concensus of jump cues? I'm sure it has been discussed before,but I would like to get some feedback on this item. Is there one you really would want me to try? Age 55 and trying hard before its too late! NOT J/B!!
 
jump cues

Tadpole and Frog jump cues work well. Bunjee jump cue has a very good tip. I saw Alex Pagulayan jump over a ball 2 milimeters away once. If I were to buy a jump cue it would be a Bunjee.
 
I saw Alex Pagulayan jump over a ball 2 milimeters away once.
I would have to say that I find this statement troublesome. Jumping balls that are that kind of close together and getting forward movement as well as upwards movement off the cloth...... have to be fouls. Because the shaft of the cue has to move the cueball forward. Newtons law about every action has an equal and opposite reaction falls true. Yes you can make the ball jump almost straight up in the air, however the natural reaction is for the ball to come down in a similar, but opposite angle, unless acted upon by an outside force. Jumping a ball that is that close and getting distance...... I would love to see some high speed video from the side, because I can almost bet you that the cue ismoving the ball forward after it is in the air. Maybe Bob Jewett can weigh in on this.
Chuck
 
my opinion is that the lighter the better. 6 to 8 oz would be the range.

Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman played and won the ESPN Trick Shot Challenge back in 2002 with a Jump Daddy jump cue. he let me use it one night when he was over, and i could tell it was of high quality.

personally i have a Lucasi jump cue, and Rossman told me that it was also a fine jump cue too.

i'd say bottom line is any jump cue will work - as long as you know what you are doing with it. like the old saying: Its not the wand, its the magician!

DCP
 
i love my bunjee jumper, getting pretty accurate with it now too. the price is pretty good aswell.
 
RiverCity said:
I would have to say that I find this statement troublesome. Jumping balls that are that kind of close together and getting forward movement as well as upwards movement off the cloth...... have to be fouls. Because the shaft of the cue has to move the cueball forward. Newtons law about every action has an equal and opposite reaction falls true.

I think you're assuming that the cue stick is moving towards the object ball. It's not. If anything, the cuestick is angled such that the cue tip is angles away from the object ball, but not necessarily. In either case, the cuestick moves away from the cueball.

The way those guys make this shot is to virtually let go of the cuestick. The cuestick moves away from the cue ball, and the cueball hops almost straight up in the air. The slight tip offset is enough to get the cueball to move linearly (and over the object ball.)

Check out the Larry Nevel video on Richard Chan's site. Note the cuestick angle and the action.

Nevel photo, cue angle 1mm jump

1mm Jump, Larry Nevel Video

Fred
 
Buckeyejim said:
I have just recently started reading AZBilliards forum, and became 'hooked' immed., Lots of info. I could use some more- what is concensus of jump cues? I'm sure it has been discussed before,but I would like to get some feedback on this item. Is there one you really would want me to try? Age 55 and trying hard before its too late! NOT J/B!!
Although you said no J/B, many jump cues from a J/B are the elite of the field. The Xtreme J/B for one.

The Stealth Air Jump is a great one, and it uses a leather tip if that's your fancy. It also comes with an extension to make the cue easy to use with a normal pendulum stroke.

The Jacoby Jump Cue has the hour glass joint for easy dart jumping.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=348451&postcount=17



Fred
 
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Jump cues

I have personally had 3, butr tried others, including Bunjy.

I had an original Frog with brass ferrule. I got pretty accurate with it, but could not be close than 5" when jumpin.

I had the Scorpion jump cue which I liked, I could jump closer a little, but my accuracy was not as good.

I now have the J&J Break/Jump cue with phenolic tip, and after getting used to phenolic, I like it better than the other two. I have jumped as close as a 1/2" over 1/2 ball. Have to take a little extra time for accuracy, but I am pretty pleased with it. Have made some game saving jumps with it.

I see lots of people 'darting' with the Jacoby, although not many are actually making the ball unless it is with 4" of the pocket. I have yet to see anyone make a ball in the middle of the table darting with it.

I also only use the stroke method.
 
Buckeyejim said:
I have just recently started reading AZBilliards forum, and became 'hooked' immed., Lots of info. I could use some more- what is concensus of jump cues? I'm sure it has been discussed before,but I would like to get some feedback on this item. Is there one you really would want me to try? Age 55 and trying hard before its too late! NOT J/B!!

Yes, I would like you to try this one. The Kangaroo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330013950050
 
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daytonajoe said:
I have tried many and have found the Jacoby to be the best dedicated jump cue

The Jacoby works the best for me too. I mostly use the dart stroke.
Zenpool.
 
Fred,

Other than the Larry Nevel 1mm jump, there was a fellow who made a similiar shot in Vegas during the BCA at my booth, with the X Breaker shaft, but he actually jumped really far and high with the ball at 1mm apart. If there was a table next to mine, his cue ball would have landed there.

He is not a professional player. He works with Joe Neilsen and is a very good table mechanic, as well as being a great player.

Here is the link(the first video): http://xtremebilliard.com/BCA/album02

Speaking of jumping very close jumps, here are some facts I find quite interesting:

I have had the pleasure of speaking with a lot of pro players who told me they normally would not attempt any jump closer then 2 balls apart. They would opt for a kick. One guy told me he will never try to jump less than 2.5 balls apart in any important match, and this guy has won a few international major titles.

From my observation, most, if not all, of them jumped with a pendulum stroke. Most of the players I spoke to told me they are much more accurate with the pendulum stroke. Some pros told me they do not really like to use the dart at all, a few of them actually told me they never really try to learn this technique!

I also have been requested to build a longer jump section(rather than shorter), on their cue; some players like to use the butt portion to attach to the shaft for a more butt heavy (rather than lighter) jump cue. They told me they could achieve better control and more power that way.

I hardly ever see regular players do this, but a few pros have told me that it is very important to use the shaft to measure how close the cue ball is to the object ball before attempting the jump. They practise jumping at different elevations with different distance, so once they have a realistic understanding of the actual distance, they will make the adjustments to try jump with more control. I know most players judge the distance with their naked eyes, but what I was told was that everyone has a limit; for example, some players are much more comfortable jumping 3 balls apart than if they were a bit closer; therefore, it would help to know the actual distance rather than guessing with one's eyes.

I think it is quite interesting that while a lot of people are talking about how light or easy a jump cue is, from my observation, pro players are much more interested in its control and realistic applications.

Their opinion have been very valuable and precious in helping us to develop and design our cues. Thank you so much.:)

Regards,

Richard
 
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What do you guys mean be "darting"? Is that holding the cue like a spear and popping down on the ball?
 
Bishop said:
What do you guys mean be "darting"? Is that holding the cue like a spear and popping down on the ball?
Yes, it is kind of like holding the cue with two to three fingers and let the cue bounce off the ball so it will jump.
Fred is the best Azer I have seen with this technique.
Mike Massey does it one handed all the time.
Richard
 
Snapshot9 said:
I have yet to see anyone make a ball in the middle of the table darting with it.

I also only use the stroke method.
Not that I'm a great jumper, but I made a few of my dart jumps at the BCA Nationals this year, one of which would be considered in the middle of the table. The others would be considered hangers.

Fred
 
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