Jump cues

labatt ice rod

labatt ice rod

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Now i know this might really really really piss some people off but i am sick and tired of people using jump cues.. Now i know what your saying maby i dont know how to use one or i dont have one but that is not the case... i do have one and it sits at home being used as a door stop.... I keep hearing how players want to play like Efren and so on but come on people i feel like your cheating the game when you use a jump cue.. this is why so many players cant kick at balls and if you are going to jump balls try using a full cue and lets see how good you can jump balls....
 
Here we go again…

Okay, those who use and those who don’t use them. Really, so what!
Jump cues are allowed under the rules. You would think that would be the end of it.

It would be like complaining that a separate break cue is allowed.
COME ON MAN!!!
My suggestion is that you contact the BCA, or APA, etc… and get these jump cues outlawed. Then you have a legitimate argument.

Besides, I think per each attempt in the pros, only maybe like 15% of the time the ball is pocketed.
 
has nothing to do with league play all I'm saying is people should learn how to kick i see so many players who are hooked and have a easy 1 or 2 rail escape but would rather jump and miss and give control to the other player and then they wonder why they lost that rack and what did players do before jump cues...... they learned how to kick and make balls
 
I jump pretty well, and will keep the jumper in my case as long as they're allowed.

That having been said, I wish they'd outlaw them :)

I get tired of seeing people waste time getting out their jump cue just to miscue, foul, jump the balls off the table, etc. I spent a lot of time learning how to jump, both with the jump cue and a full cue, but it seems other people just buy the cue and try to make it work in competition with no practice...

So yeah, please have the leagues, etc outlaw jump cues. I'll thank you.

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Jump cues are part of the game, you're just gonna have to accept that fact. Yes, everyone does want to play like Efren, but we resort to jump cues because we realize we won't ever reach his level.

However, if you want to play where jumpers aren't allowed, may i suggest APA (I just noticed you're in Toronto, so I guess it's CPA for you)?
 
Sorry to say but no player has to play the way you think they should!

Everyone who plays this game has been at the bottom and we all work our way up at different speeds.

You would think that missing would be a lesson for them. Next time they should at least think twice before jumping. Then again, I see the same people who have played the game well before my time, still make the same mistakes.

The fact is some of us learn, and some of us don't.

I would love to know what give you the authority to say how a shot has to be played. You apparently feel you have the authority to say when a shot should be played this way or that way, when a jump is appropriate and when not.

Are you a master level instructor? If so you should offer some lesions to those who just don't know.
 
twal said:
Sorry to say but no player has to play the way you think they should!
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I would love to know what give you the authority to say how a shot has to be played. You apparently feel you have the authority to say when a shot should be played this way or that way, when a jump is appropriate and when not.
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I beg to differ. The issue of the 'jump cue' is one of validity.

It's not about whether the player should choose to jump in the situation, it's about whether the jump cue should be allowed at all.

Sure, everyone's gotten used to seeing these little short cues everywhere, but that was not always the case. In a pure geometric sense, jumping in pool is a perversion of the 2-D nature of the playing field.


oh sh1t, i got caught up in an internet argument. sorry, carry on without me.

-s
 
labatt ice rod said:
Now i know this might really really really piss some people off but i am sick and tired of people using jump cues..
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This sounds more like your problem than their problem or a problem for pool/billiards in general.

Now i know what your saying maby i dont know how to use one or i dont have one but that is not the case... i do have one and it sits at home being used as a door stop....
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Good use for it.

I keep hearing how players want to play like Efren
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Peoiple who want to drive like Mario are legion, also.

But if you have the tallent and can afford to spend (about) 30 years playing 8 hours a day, maybe you too can be as good as Efren.

and so on but come on people i feel like your cheating the game when you use a jump cue..
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What makes your opinion so much greater than everyone elses opinoion(s).

this is why so many players cant kick at balls and if you are going to jump balls try using a full cue and lets see how good you can jump balls....
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OK, lets see you kick your way out of a situation where your BC is near a rail and is surrounded by 4 of the opponents balls less than 1/2 ball diameter away and no path through the mess.

There are situations where the jump cue is the best of the poor choices available.

However much I agree with you that people should learn to kick and even learn to kick before they learn to jump, this does not degrade the utility of being able to jump.
 
In my opinion jump cues are like liquor best used in moderation lol. ive played people who use it like their shooting cue. some pool halls dont allow for jumping period, even during tournament play its a no no. theyre hard on the cloth and some cue balls depending on the type of tip being used ie phenolic. i do own a jump cue but didnt own one for a long time. i was advised that i shouldnt until i become proficient in my kicking.
 
labatt ice rod said:
try using a full cue and lets see how good you can jump balls....
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So jump cues give an advantage, right? So should we not use a Low Deflection shaft then? What about phenolic tips, or layered tips? What about custom cues? Or dedicated Break cues? These are all advancements in equipment, just like a jump cue is. So should everyone just use a house cue to keep the playing field even. I mean, really?

I can do both fairly well so depending on the shot depends on if I kick or jump. I agree kicking is important to know, and feel everyone needs to know this to advance their game. I also feel jumping is important in today's day and age, and if you refuse to do it then you deserve to be at a disadvantage.
 
I personally love the use of the short jump cue. I'm pretty decent at jumping and the people I play with are better at it than I am. The reason I like it mostly is because it makes me play better safeties where I actually tuck whitey up on an object ball to where they don't have the option to jump.
 
bullshot said:
I personally love the use of the short jump cue. I'm pretty decent at jumping and the people I play with are better at it than I am. The reason I like it mostly is because it makes me play better safeties where I actually tuck whitey up on an object ball to where they don't have the option to jump.
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good point....safety play has become a bigger issue because of jump cues. No longer can you just leave whitey behind a wall of obstructing balls; you'd better tuck it up close to something.

Jump cues don't bother me a bit. Just another part of the game to practice, and an invaluable asset to have if you master it!!

I'm REALLY glad someone came up with a wedge with alot of bounce on it to get outta bunkers!! And in the PGA the pros go for bunkers on par 5s on purpose (because they are so good at getting up and down out of them). Now you are seeing that in pool....pushing out to a jumpshot they know they can execute!!! Get good at it, or get left behind.
 
15 years ago or so I was pretty good at jumping a full ball with my playing cue...was useful in 9 ball when you had a dead combo for a short cut and needed just to make contact to drop it. I quit doing it, worked on kicking to escape and somehow forgot the feel of jumping with a player, I prefered and practiced long masse/wrinkle shots, even to get around full balls...bought my first jump/break cue three months ago (mainly for breaking) with a Samsara jump break tip. I practiced for a few hours and can jump without fouling about 95% of the time (even full ball within an inch of the obstruction!).

That said, I still prefer to kick or masse, and am glad to see an opponent whip out a jump cue...most of them don't practice and the chances of fouling or not making useful contact with a ball are much higher, even for a top player. The guys I take seriously are the ones that go for the kick first (even if it's a three rail kick) before reaching for a jump cue. Forcing yourself to kick out of trouble gets you very sharp at seeing shot possibilities you wouldn't think of if jumping is your preference. That's why Efren is so wicked with all his spin shots and kick safeties--30+ years of kicking opened up a whole new dimension of shots for him that most people never dream of trying.

I say let them have the jumper. For me it's a useful tool that gets used about once a month!
 
Agree with the OP. Jump shots with a full cue (ala Earl Strickland) are exciting, but any jump shot with a jump cue puts me to sleep.

Jump cues are permitted for two reasons to generate revenue and to make the game easier to play. Trickshot exhibitions are fine, but they should never have been allowed for games.

Even if the person doesn't make the ball it allows them a legal hit where they probably wouldn't otherwise.

I do like people using a jump cue they can't use rather than a kick they should/could make every time. Those people need to be encouraged "you almost had it that time".

The only positive I see in jump cues is it forces you to play better safeties which makes you a better player.
 
TimKrazyMon said:
Jump cues are part of the game, you're just gonna have to accept that fact. Yes, everyone does want to play like Efren, but we resort to jump cues because we realize we won't ever reach his level.

However, if you want to play where jumpers aren't allowed, may i suggest APA (I just noticed you're in Toronto, so I guess it's CPA for you)?
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I do play in the CPA but the only time you can use a jump cue is in the master division but all those players dont use them
 
rburgoyne said:
So jump cues give an advantage, right? So should we not use a Low Deflection shaft then? What about phenolic tips, or layered tips? What about custom cues? Or dedicated Break cues? These are all advancements in equipment, just like a jump cue is. So should everyone just use a house cue to keep the playing field even. I mean, really?
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Exactly.

If every player was required to use identical "standard" cues, then of course there would be no jump cues. But cues are not standardized, and in my opinion, should never be.

General parameters or limits, yes. Standardized, no.
 
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