Jump stick rule change??

[u12armresl]

Lots of talk about how Fedor is accepting push outs and jumping to either make a good hit, or make the ball.

Do you think going back to the old break stick and playing stick, that is all you can have is on the horizon?

Corey figured out the break and they added rules, are jump sticks too prevalent, and there needs to be a change to that rule?
That and a new way to keep the pace and excitement of 9 ball, without the guaranteed 9 ball on the break or the 1 ball on the break.

Back to wood or plastic racks and no jump sticks?

 

[Island Drive]

I prefer 4 ball to be purple with the five Orange.

 

[straightline]

Depends on the weight of the union.

 

[InsertCleverNameHere]

I’m all for getting rid of jump cues because it’s pretty boring to me to see guys easily get over balls. It used to be much harder. Nowadays, with today’s technology, you see APA5s getting over full balls with ease.

But it’ll never happen.

Because event sponsors sell A LOT of jump cues and they aren’t cheap anymore.

Game is more beautiful and creative without them.

 

[straightline]

To a degree but for the show to go on, it must be interesting to the average viewer.

 

[u12armresl]

I prefer 4 ball to be purple with the five Orang

To a degree but for the show to go on, it must be interesting to the average viewer.

We have/had 2 of the best full sized stick jumpers in the country in Mark Jarvis and George Breedlove.

 

[straightline]

We have/had 2 of the best full sized stick jumpers in the country in Mark Jarvis and George Breedlove.

Did not know this. I "shared" a table once with Jarvis before a tourney. He piled a truckload of racks on me lol. Strickland's the only one I can think of who excelled at full stick jumping. That would come under outstanding skill but isn't that really abusive to thin cloth tables?

 

[David in FL]

In my experience, most of those hating on jump sticks are those who either can't use them themselves, or have yet to learn that simply putting blocking ball between the cueball and an object ball doesn't qualify as a good safety...

 

[skor]

Play better safety!

 

[InsertCleverNameHere]

In my experience, most of those hating on jump sticks are those who either can't use them themselves, or have yet to learn that simply putting blocking ball between the cueball and an object ball doesn't qualify as a good safety...

I’m pretty darn good with a jump cue. But the difference between myself and my opponents with them is minuscule and until you get to the elite tip top players there isn’t much difference at all. However I’m a far FAR superior kicker to other players at my level. And kicking is art. Jumping is just too easy with today’s equipment.

If a blocking ball isn’t a good safety then what the hell is? Also if it’s in fact not a good safety then yeah the jump cue needs to go. Kinda proves my point.

 

[gregcantrall]

Why not eliminate the jump shot? Snooker doesn't allow intentional jumping and pool would do well to follow suit.

 

[skor]

I’m pretty darn good with a jump cue. But the difference between myself and my opponents with them is minuscule and until you get to the elite tip top players there isn’t much difference at all. However I’m a far FAR superior kicker to other players at my level. And kicking is art. Jumping is just too easy with today’s equipment.

If a blocking ball isn’t a good safety then what the hell is? Also if it’s in fact not a good safety then yeah the jump cue needs to go. Kinda proves my point.

So maybe ban kicking

 

[maha]

they are banned when i gamble with someone. so i dont care.

and with present 9 ball i dont care to watch it. its boring. unless you are a banger and ogle over how good the pros play.

 

[skogstokig]

sure it should ideally be banned, but we all know the answer is the cue companies sponsors the game and they want to sell jump cues, so it's a non-starter. think the predator pro series will ban jump cues?? or the cuetec sponsored WNT?

 

[Zerksies]

It's called stratgey, learn to play the game

 

[David in FL]

So maybe ban kicking

Yup.

People tend to have differing skillsets. A few would ban skills other than those at which they excel.

If a blocking ball isn’t a good safety then what the hell is? Also if it’s in fact not a good safety then yeah the jump cue needs to go. Kinda proves my point.

You kinda make my point. Gone are the days where a "blocking" ball a foot from the cue ball is a "good" safe to anyone better than the aforementioned APA 5...

 

[Lowell]

I’m pretty darn good with a jump cue. But the difference between myself and my opponents with them is minuscule and until you get to the elite tip top players there isn’t much difference at all. However I’m a far FAR superior kicker to other players at my level. And kicking is art. Jumping is just too easy with today’s equipment.

If a blocking ball isn’t a good safety then what the hell is? Also if it’s in fact not a good safety then yeah the jump cue needs to go. Kinda proves my point.

Kicking is still really important even in the jump cue era, it's the only way to get out of lockup safeties

 

[garczar]

The cloth makers love the shit out of 'em. In your average room the no talent hacks tear up a lot of rugs by jumping like an idiot.

 

[sjm]

Lots of talk about how Fedor is accepting push outs and jumping to either make a good hit, or make the ball.

Do you think going back to the old break stick and playing stick, that is all you can have is on the horizon?

Corey figured out the break and they added rules, are jump sticks too prevalent, and there needs to be a change to that rule?
That and a new way to keep the pace and excitement of 9 ball, without the guaranteed 9 ball on the break or the 1 ball on the break.

Back to wood or plastic racks and no jump sticks?

Fedor and another twenty five top players are routinely rolling out to a jump. Among the others that frequently use this approach are Yapp, Chua, Ouschan, Shaw, and Ko Pin Yi.

Jump sticks have cheapened our game. They have not raised the bar in defense, although David in FL is right in noting that they require a different mindset in safety play. Anyone suggesting that today's players play better safeties than their counterparts of thirty years ago (when jump sticks were nearly never seen) wasn't watching very closely back then or even at all. Reyes and Varner remain the two greatest defensive players that I have ever watched.

Perhaps the day will come when technology makes it possible to shoot right through an obstructing ball, removing the snooker completely from the game. That will mean that object balls will have to be left where no realisitc shot is left. It would be another regrettable step in the direction of total offense.

As InsertCleverNameHere notes, because they are big business, jump cues are here to stay. It's OK to hate on them, but to compete at the highest level, one better practice with them, because one must expect opponents to be proficient in this area.

To sum, jump cues are here to stay. Take away the revenue they produce, and some of the game's event producers will walk away from pro pool. Such an eventuality would not suit the interests of anybody.

 

[Island Drive]

In my experience, most of those hating on jump sticks are those who either can't use them themselves, or have yet to learn that simply putting blocking ball between the cueball and an object ball doesn't qualify as a good safety...

I think the jumpers are created for excitement for the non playing audience than for the sport.