Jump stick rule change??

I have seen Efren shoot a jump shot. Something as rare as hen's teeth. 🤷‍♂️ Executed to perfect off the point of the corner he had barricaded whitey into for the safety, but t shat a ball in doing it. 🤷‍♂️ He got the hit and hook. Another reason he is the GOAT.
 
Several thoughts:

1. Banning jump cues will never happen, for the reasons discussed.

2. If you did ban them, guys like Fedor will still have an advantage. Fedor played Turning Stone one year (can jump with break cue only) and he took all the weight out of his breaker, still broke great and made tons of great jumps with it.

3. The level of safety play IS way better these days, despite what SJM may think. Appleton said on a video that he’s had to relearn his safety game. When he joined the tour, any full ball snooker was a good safety. Maybe the oppenent hits the ball but they may well sell out. Now players jump AND kick so well that a simple safety like that likely means your opponent will jump it in,kick it in or leave you in jail. He said before he would take the safety that he was 100 certain to get even if just a bare ball safety, but now he has to go for the dead nuts hook, even if there is a chance he will sell out, because the old safe wasn’t safe.

4. On the point of safety improvements, it’s just the increase in knowledge. Efren and Varner (and Sigel) were extraordinary, and as good or better than many of today’s players in the kicking game. But overall the level wasn’t as high. At most many players were kicking to hit it. Earl and Archer were the top 9b players on their eras and were NOT exceptional kickers by today’s standards. Now all top players have learned from Efren and others, know all kicking systems and know they have hit it and get it safe (hit the correct side of the ball) even if it’s riskier because you might miss completely. Just watch Filler and SVB in this rack and tell me the safety game was better in the old days.

 
GideonF said:
Several thoughts:

3. The level of safety play IS way better these days, despite what SJM may think.
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Actually, I agree. For every good defensive player of the 1990's, there are five today. The average standard is super-high. Still, we have yet to see somebody reach Reyes or Varner level. Of course, we likely will at some point.

The point I'm really making is that while the presence of the jump cue has changed the defensive requirements in safety play, if has not raised the bar.

Whether the goal is to cut off as many kicking angles as possible, as was the priority back in the day, or getting as close to the obstructing ball as possible, these are two different approaches to and priorities in defense. Personally, I think there is greater artistry in achieving the former over the latter, but to each his own. Nobody ever did a better job of denying the kicking angles than Varner, but his brand of defense is slightly less of a guideline for today's best, as they must also protect against the jump shot.

It is best to give both generations of defensive players their due.
 
How about this, all jump shots to pocket a ball Must be called before execution.
If the shooter misses.... the incoming player is allowed to take the shot or give it back.
I truly dislike the ''bad beat''.... being hooked after a lucky jump shot miss.
 
Island Drive said:
How about this, all jump shots to pocket a ball Must be called before execution.
If the shooter misses.... the incoming player is allowed to take the shot or give it back.
I truly dislike the ''bad beat''.... being hooked after a lucky jump shot miss.
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Or after a "lucky kick shot miss"?

Luck sometimes comes into play. We learn to live with it...
 
u12armresl said:
Lots of talk about how Fedor is accepting push outs and jumping to either make a good hit, or make the ball.

Do you think going back to the old break stick and playing stick, that is all you can have is on the horizon?

Corey figured out the break and they added rules, are jump sticks too prevalent, and there needs to be a change to that rule?
That and a new way to keep the pace and excitement of 9 ball, without the guaranteed 9 ball on the break or the 1 ball on the break.

Back to wood or plastic racks and no jump sticks?
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They are making a fortune selling jump cues....they will never go away.
 
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