Jumping, and Use of Jump cues

CocoboloCowboy

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Personally for me Jumping is a last resort, but I see many players who I think over Jump,(because they got a Jump Stick, it has to get used) and could Kick, or Bank a shot they choose to Jump.

For me I will always Kick, or Bank before Jumping as a last option.

How about you?
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Personally for me Jumping is a last resort, but I see many players who I think over Jump,(because they got a Jump Stick, it has to get used) and could Kick, or Bank a shot they choose to Jump.

For me I will always Kick, or Bank before Jumping as a last option.

How about you?
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I find the jump cue as a great asset for those that would consider an offensive shot because it is the key element to retain confidence (or create additional) if there is no shot. Nobody (perhaps those) would perfer to luck kick on a shot they know they can't create a safety. Nobody's going to be another Efren Reyes... that's the truth. Personally, I am sort of the "young, old school" individual where I do perfer to try to kick on a safe rather than risk it on a shot; but when there is a hanger (or so) on the rise and it seems safe to say that you're confortable to hop over an OB to make that shot, then I will definately "pull the trigger" and attempt a jump shot.

There are those that still think that jump cues are for wimps and it's not the right way to play (or whathaveyou to that phrasing). Earl, this past Mosconi, acutally used a jump cue, after all those times using either his break or his playing cue, and I personally think that if he continues using that cue, he will definately break some players' hearts. Just my $.02 :) .
 
if I see I can play a good safety with a kick I would choose kicking. And if I see the table is open and if I make it with a jump shot I could run out, I would jump, as simple as that. (I didn't think about banking as you suggested because it means you can see the ball IMO.)

I like the way Shane makes his choice (the procedure mentioned I believe copies his action to some extent). He is a very good kicker but still he's got a shorty behind his back.
 
if the jump is the best option i will take it. i'm not gonna kick just for the sake of it. one thing i don't like is the way some people make out using a jump cue is easy. to do it well it takes a lot of skill, just as much as it does to kick well.
 
It depends on the kick. If I need to kick a ball, laying in the center of the table, it is usually to difficult to kick. Jumping will be more easy.
 
SlickRick_PCS said:
I find the jump cue as a great asset for those that would consider an offensive shot because it is the key element to retain confidence (or create additional) if there is no shot. Nobody (perhaps those) would perfer to luck kick on a shot they know they can't create a safety. Nobody's going to be another Efren Reyes... that's the truth. Personally, I am sort of the "young, old school" individual where I do perfer to try to kick on a safe rather than risk it on a shot; but when there is a hanger (or so) on the rise and it seems safe to say that you're confortable to hop over an OB to make that shot, then I will definately "pull the trigger" and attempt a jump shot.

There are those that still think that jump cues are for wimps and it's not the right way to play (or whathaveyou to that phrasing). Earl, this past Mosconi, acutally used a jump cue, after all those times using either his break or his playing cue, and I personally think that if he continues using that cue, he will definately break some players' hearts. Just my $.02 :) .
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I like you $.02
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I much rather Pull my Jump Cue than kick and my kicking game is pretty good IMO.....Really it balls down to the lay of the ball and where its at.......where you know you can make the jump and not flop the CB off the table.........so I guess I can change it around and say it can and will go both ways depending on the ball layout..........
 
Put me with those that would like to get rid of the "short jump stick".

In regular play I never use my jump cue.
In match-ups I will try to persuade my opponent that jump cues are out.

Don't get me wrong... I fully appreciate that it takes a some skill to use a jump stick effectively. Usually those that use the jump stick will just hit the ball and leave it over a hole somewhere.

I think that "kicking with purpose" is a huge part of the game and it is very satisfying to kick with an objective and executing the shot well.

Jumping over a blocking ball to make a ball sitting in the jaws (especially when the person had hooked themselves) seems to take a large part out of the game.

I know there are going to be those that say,"If you want to take the jump cue out of the game... play tighter safeties whereby the jump cue cannot be utilized."

Well, I am taking the jump cue out of play... I am pursuading more and more of the people that I play to put it aside and enjoy the fact that they are learning to kick better and more effectively.

Coming from an old school snooker background, when I came back to pool after a 20 year absence and first experienced jumps and jump cues... I was shocked! I couldn't believe that these shots were legal. To my mind it makes the game less pure.

I also had a hard time accepting "cue ball fouls only". Players moving balls around with their cues, arms, hands, elbows, and whatever and that being perfectly acceptable.

I play pretty sporty 8 ball/9ball, but have recently gone back to the classic snooker game. What a breath of fresh air.

Since jump cues are allowed in tournaments, it is self-defeating not to have one for use one when necessary, but I, for one, will cheer loudly when the day comes that they are banned.

Note: Don't get me started on "specialized super hard - turbo break cues".
 
Where were all of you when I suggested recently that I didn't think jump cues should be allowed? Everyone "jumped" all over me.:rolleyes:

I own one and can use it, but I kick really well IMO because I don't over use it.
 
I have owned four in my life and just tried out a new one the other night that was ridiculously easy to get up over a ball. Still takes practice and a stroke to consistently make shots with a jump cue, although the technology seems to be making it easier. I will continue to use them as long as they are allowed.
 
people always cite the example where there's a ball over the hole and it's "so easy to just jump and make it". but it would also be just as easy in this case to swerve round and make it, or kick the ball in one rail.

shortsidek - how do you feel about full cue jumping?

btw i think cue ball fouls only is the more sensible option. you mention snooker, personally i have always thought it stupid when a players arm hair touches an object ball during his stroke and the ball has barely moved a millimetre, yet the player automatically declares a foul on himself. what difference did that make to anything? i think players should only take fouls on bumbed object balls if there is clear intent to move them to gain an advantage. just put the balls back and play the game.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Personally for me Jumping is a last resort, but I see many players who I think over Jump,(because they got a Jump Stick, it has to get used) and could Kick, or Bank a shot they choose to Jump.

For me I will always Kick, or Bank before Jumping as a last option.

How about you?
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I own a jump cue and use it as a last resort and I'd rather they weren't part of the game. The reason I consider it a last resort is because I'm not that good at it. However, that said, I think many people are very effective with them and they are a legitimate offensive weapon.
 
I'm all for jumping with a full cue because you are using the same cue as you would for any other shot. You can't outlaw the jump shot because the ball leaves the table.....it leaves the table on almost every break shot.

Many people say the Filipinos don't jump much because they kick so well....maybe, but have you all considered the fact that most of them, like me at 5'6" are short! :D It is MUCH harder for me to jump balls than someone at 6 foot tall. It really is one of the only situations I can think of in pool where a physical trait can be a disadvantage.

I remember when the "leap frog"? jump cue came out like 15 years ago with a GIANT shaft like 15mm and guys were jumping balls at crazy short distances from the blocking ball. The room I worked in banned jump cues from our tourneys because they were more of an old skool 14.1 room.
 
worriedbeef said:
people always cite the example where there's a ball over the hole and it's "so easy to just jump and make it". but it would also be just as easy in this case to swerve round and make it, or kick the ball in one rail.
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Ah, but if it were only so easy. I admire your masse and swerve and kicking skills. I can pull a few of those off, too.

However, life is often not so simple.

There are times when only a jump will do, and unfortunately for my opponents, I've won more than a few matches thanks be to ye olde jump stick...

The disgusted look on the face of the fellow who goes down after a well executed jump shot is priceless.

Flex
 
Jumping balls is a skill. Jump cues are a tool that facilitates that skill. Jump cues equalize physical impediments such as the height and reach of the player. Jump cues neutralize any equipment advantage such as one full size cue that "jumps" better than another.

Jumping balls well is a learned skill like any other skill. Kicking balls is a learned skill. Both can be learned in a few minutes with the proper equipment and instruction. Both skills can take a long time to fully master.

Jump cues are an integral part of all games in which the penalty for not contacting the object ball is ball in hand. Unless the rules are changed so that the incoming player is not penalized with ball in hand anywhere on the table jump cues will be a neccesary part of pool.

The modern player who aspires to do well in tournaments and money matches should be well skilled in the jump shot both with a jump cue and with a full sized cue. This way when the jump shot is the correct shot they will be able to execute it to the best of their ability.

A good player uses all the available tools and learns all the available shots.

I have personally sold or given jump cues and even jump lessons to many world champions. They have all thanked me for the advice and gone on to master the tool with much more skill than I could ever display.

I would bet that the largest percentage of highlighted "Super Shot of the Match" type of clips are of jump shots. I find it funny that in an era when most die hard fans want to see pool celebrated and accepted by the mainstream that there is still such acrid debate on the merits of the jump cue and the jump shot.

Unless we are willing to put rules into effect that force everyone to play with the same stock equipment, same as Nascar, we should just allow players to use the cues that have been meticulously developed to fill needs. Otherwise I call for strict monitoring on tips, ferrules, shaft construction, butt construction, gloves, and so on. There should be a performance metric established so that we can be sure that no player has any type of "equipment" advantage over another player. No low deflection shafts unless all players have them. Any new cue construction must be approved completely by every governing body before being allowed to be marketed and sold.

The other alternative is that we stop worrying about it and trust that the rulemakers have put the jump cue issue to bed 15 years ago. Since that time millions of jump cues have been made and have been used in amateur and professional level play to the delight of the players and fans alike.

Everyone likes a good shot.
 
JB Cases said:
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John, Though I agree with virtually everything you said in your post. I'd still rather see the game of pool played without the jump cue. Easy enough rule to implement. Don't allow switching of cues, if somebody wants to use a jump cue for all their shots, more power to them.
I'd also like to see travelling and palming the ball enforced in pro basketball, that's not going to happen either.
 
asbani said:
I hope they remove the short sticks off the game.
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Reverting back to the 2 shot foul rule would almost eliminate the need
for a jump cue (except if you hook yourself on a hanger) Jump cues did
not come into vogue until TE (one shot foul) became the norm.
 
catscradle said:
John, Though I agree with virtually everything you said in your post. I'd still rather see the game of pool played without the jump cue. Easy enough rule to implement. Don't allow switching of cues, if somebody wants to use a jump cue for all their shots, more power to them.
I'd also like to see travelling and palming the ball enforced in pro basketball, that's not going to happen either.
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I agree that the game whould be better without the "short cues" but don't see that happening with so much money being made from the sales of them. Removing the shorties form the game would not remove the jump shot from the game, but it would restrict them to the players willing to put in the time and effort to learn how to make the shot with their playing cue. As a long time friend and road partner of Scotty Townsend I watched him put in time to learn how to jump with his playing cue and he became one of the best "jumpers" ever. He not only pocketed the object ball on a consistent basis but could play posistion with follow, draw or side english. I have yet to see anyone do that with a shortie.

For what it's worth here is an observation I have made. I run a weekly tournament in Orlando and I see the same thing every week. It is a handicapped tournament so we draw players of all skill levels. It never fails that when players of average ability or even less than average get hooked they make a beeline back to their case to get the shortie, never considering that there may (and probaly is) a better option than jumping. And then the most amazing thing happens. After they get the cueball in the air and miss the object ball completely or miss the pocket by two feet they always act schocked and in disbelief that they didn't make the ball.
 
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