Jumping in 1 pocket

pulzcul

pulzcul

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I have the DVD of Efren and Frost race to 8 for 5K. Somewhere in the match Scott whips out a jump stick and makes a shot. Up until then I had thought jumping was not legal in 1 pocket. I finally checked the rules and found that jumping is legal but only with your playing cue. special jump sticks are not allowed. I can't be the only one that noticed that. I 'm wondering if Scott got called on that. And I've never seen anyone else do it.
 
pulzcul said:
I have the DVD of Efren and Frost race to 8 for 5K. Somewhere in the match Scott whips out a jump stick and makes a shot. Up until then I had thought jumping was not legal in 1 pocket. I finally checked the rules and found that jumping is legal but only with your playing cue. special jump sticks are not allowed. I can't be the only one that noticed that. I 'm wondering if Scott got called on that. And I've never seen anyone else do it.
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Good topic.

Doesn't come up very often. Just last night, watching Brandon Shuff and Alex Pagulayan in the Hotseat from California, Brandon had a shot that a jump would have been a great option. He didn't consider it and sold out in a tough situation. might have sold out anyways.

The problem with jumping in One Pocket is the game is largely about cue ball control. When you jump with full cues and most jump cues, you lose control of the rock.

99% of the time......bad idea.

Ray
 
Bigtruck said:
Good topic.

Doesn't come up very often. Just last night, watching Brandon Shuff and Alex Pagulayan in the Hotseat from California, Brandon had a shot that a jump would have been a great option. He didn't consider it and sold out in a tough situation. might have sold out anyways.

The problem with jumping in One Pocket is the game is largely about cue ball control. When you jump with full cues and most jump cues, you lose control of the rock.

99% of the time......bad idea.

Ray
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Yeah I was watching that shot last nite to. In fact i posted 'jump it'. Made me think of this dvd.
 
I could be wong, but I beleive jump cues are not allowed in 1 Pocket. Maybe some of the 1 Pocket gurus can chime in?

SJD? Freddy?

I remember watching the shot you bring up, Scott borrowed a jump cue from somebody who was watching. Efren protested mildly, then for some reason let it go. Scott was attempting a jump/bank behind the rack and nailed it. Scott proceeded to make a few balls after and ended up winning the game.

I think that may have been a turning point in the match.
 
I love in that video Efren says "Is that legal?"

Scott: "Why not?"

Efren: "I've never seen anyone do it before"

Scott: "Me neither" - BAM!!! Jumps the ball.

I was cracking up :)
 
in gambling anything can be legal

In a tournament match jumping is illegal, but in a money game what's legal is up for debate. That's why it's best for both opponents to go over all the rules and assumptions. The fun begins when they don't, that's when you pull out the 24 inch jump cue, 77 inch break cue and your personally modified intentional foul wand!
 
This comes to mind on that shot.....

Ok..... let's assume Reyes KNEW that you're not supposed to use jump cues in one pocket. We can assume this since he "mildly protested" ...
Efren probably left him there knowing he could not jump it and make that shot without a jump cue. OF COURSE they could have agreed to break a recognized rule during this match, but they obviously did NOT.

Frost should have conceded the point and should concede the point now because I believe he respects Efren. Especially if, as y'all say, this was the turning point in the match.
This is just commentary as I have not seen the match, I am just trying to make this GREAT thread more interesting.....
 
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Jump shots are allowed in one-pocket by the onepocket.org rules, providing the player uses his regular playing cue. That may also be the rule at the DCC.

Reyes probably conceded the point about Frost using a specialized jump cue because he realized they had not discussed that situation pre-match. Therefore he was faced with a losing argument.

In actual fact it is exceedingly rare to see a pure jump shot used in one-pocket. However Grady has illustrated some ball-first jump shots in one of his fine one-pocket tapes. These could be very effective in certain limited situations.

Doc
 
Doc, is right of couse, but only if the foul occurs on the third Wednesday of each month during the Winter and on every other Tuesday throughout the rest of the year. In a leap year the whole thing is canceled. :)
 
Same as saying....

I dont understand...

If the rules of one pocket says 'no jump cues allowed' then thats goes for tournament and gambling. There is no distinction of rules between match or gambling. The rules also state that if you scratch, you owe a ball. Now, are we to abort this rule as well when its convenient? And every other rule as well??

A jump shot in one pocket is legal with your regular shooting cue. But jump cues are not allowed to be used in one pocket. (if you can, check out the jump shot jerry slivka did against jose parica in an accustats semi final match; I forget the match, sorry)

Please dont let this 'lil twig' (you can tell im not a fan of it) corrupt and compromise the artistry of one pocket. It has already done so for a couple of other games. Im just waiting to see someone use a j/c in straight pool!!!!

Simply put, pool is about skills!!! And a jump shot with a jump cue is not a true reflection of skill!!

Peace

WUTANG
 
tramp steamer said:
doc, is right of couse, but only if the foul occurs on the third wednesday of each month during the winter and on every other tuesday throughout the rest of the year. In a leap year the whole thing is canceled. :)
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thats funny!!!
 
In no other sport you have so many variations in rules like we have in pool.It appears to me that the rules of pool game reflect

Americans rugged Individualism. 52 states and 52 different rules.Many times individualism helps a person but not in situations of

conflicts arising in pool game over it`s rules.

The rules for the game will be the ones what two gentleman agreed upon prior to the start of the game.

I have been following the rules recognized by the one pocket.org.On several occasions I jumped the cueball over quarter to half the ball situations.

......And I don`t mind if my opponent puts the 8 Ball in the appex of the rack when he racks the balls. Life is too short and I don`t have time to get into these conflicts.
 
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you absolutely can't use jump cues in 1pkt. Can you imagine pulling out one of the little ones that shouldn't be legal anyways and jumping over a cluster that your opponent just virtually froze you up against to make a move. Jump cues of today are a joke and should all be outlawed imo.
 
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At the DCC, jump cues are not used for any event, even 9 ball.

The Onepocket.org rules (which are generally considered the official rules) state no jump cues are allowed. Even if you tried to use a masse cue for a special shot you may have an arguement even though this is not specifically addressed.
 
Ban jump cues for all games and fix the problem permanently. Just my 2 cents worth
 
vagabond said:
In no other sport you have so many variations in rules like we have in pool.It appears to me that the rules of pool game reflect

Americans rugged Individualism. 52 states and 52 different rules.Many times individualism helps a person but not in situations of

conflicts arising in pool game over it`s rules.

The rules for the game will be the ones what two gentleman agreed upon prior to the start of the game.

I have been following the rules recognized by the one pocket.org.On several occasions I jumped the cueball over quarter to half the ball situation

......And I don`t mind if my opponent puts the 8 Ball in the appex of the rack when he racks the balls. Life is too short and I don`t have time to get into these conflicts.
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I don`t use jump cue.I jump the cue ball with my playing cue.:cool:
 
Confused....

gulfportdoc said:
Jump shots are allowed in one-pocket by the onepocket.org rules, providing the player uses his regular playing cue. That may also be the rule at the DCC.

Reyes probably conceded the point about Frost using a specialized jump cue because he realized they had not discussed that situation pre-match. Therefore he was faced with a losing argument.

In actual fact it is exceedingly rare to see a pure jump shot used in one-pocket. However Grady has illustrated some ball-first jump shots in one of his fine one-pocket tapes. These could be very effective in certain limited situations.

Doc
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Doc..... why was Reyes faced with a losing argument.... do you mean that a player is allowed to break a known rule unless not breaking each rule is discussed before the match? It sounds like Reyes was just being his usual good sport rather than conceding that he had not asked Frost to obey the rules ahead of time. Maybe I am wrong, and I will be perfectly happy if you can enlighten me here..... by the way you have great input on AZ so thanks.
 
I agree....

hunger strike said:
Doc..... why was Reyes faced with a losing argument.... do you mean that a player is allowed to break a known rule unless not breaking each rule is discussed before the match? It sounds like Reyes was just being his usual good sport rather than conceding that he had not asked Frost to obey the rules ahead of time. Maybe I am wrong, and I will be perfectly happy if you can enlighten me here..... by the way you have great input on AZ so thanks.
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Just like when I scratch....I choose not to spot a ball up...cause we didn't discuss it....
 
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