I think moving on the shot may not cause you to miss the present shot but it will cause you to miss future ones. Forcing yourself to stay still and experience the totality of the shot helps ingrain the shot into your subconscious. You can sort of experience what I'm talking about if you miss a ball on purpose while forcing yourself to stay still for an extended period of time. It's a bit uncomfortable. Once your body and mind know that there's no way out, you start approaching shots a lot more solidly. This really helps with aiming of all things. Players that struggle with aiming really don't experience their misses as thoroughly as they should. Staying still is super important as far I'm concerned.
Jumping up on shots, reconsidered.
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100%- I have said this since day one-I know it is why i do it.
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I think half way to the OB is fine. Rising after the strike should be ok.
It becomes a problem when moving before contact?
Staying down for a painful period of time really does help.
Well staying down until CB hit OB is through, but if you do it many hundreds of times, it breaks jumping up.
You got it backwards. Keep your head down and your body still, and you will miss fewer shots! End of conversation.
Half way can turn into before contact. Snooker players try to eliminate all movement for this reason.
But my point is that many players are popping up so fast that they couldn’t possibly have processed the outcome. Instead, they are more likely anticipating the miss rather than reacting to it.
I think in many cases it’s because the shot didn’t look right or they didn’t feel right on the shot. If this is a common occurrence, then the player needs to learn to get up and reset instead of just ignoring that instinct.
Paez is a good example (like Dick Lane) of players that did not have great mechanics, but got it done.
Some people just don't have the timing, rhythm, grip, feel, nerves or concentration.
It does not mean those people cannot learn to play well. For them it is just a longer, tougher road.
Paez had to be the ultimate hustler in his day.
I can just see the line of suckers waiting to play that jumping bean...
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In my APA life, most of those moving are 4s and below. Their tendency is to follow the cue ball. This looks like they are applying "body" english.
I openly admit that I have the WORST mechanics of anyone on AZ Billiards
. BUT I'M NOT THE WORST PLAYER 
I jump up, I twist, I swing my cue on certain shots, all that (Ismael Paez in the video above makes similar movements) 
All I can say is, 1) I KNOW WHERE THE SPOT IS ON THE OBJECT BALL & I KNOW HOW TO GET IT THERE 2) I UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, DEFLECTION ETC 3) I WAS AN AVID TENNIS 
PLAYER IN MY YOUTH. THEREFORE, I HOLD MY POOL CUE LIKE I DID MY TENNIS RACQUET WHICH IS COMFORTABLE FOR ME. (P.S. JIM FURYK'S GOLD SWING "LOOKS CRAZY" HOWEVER, UPON CLOSER EXAMINATION, AT CERTAIN "KEY" POINTS , IN THE SWING, HE IS EXACTLY WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER TO PRODUCE THE GOOD RESULTS HE DOES . I'M NOT SAYING THAT I HAVEA TEXT BOOK STROKE, FAR FROM IT. BUT I AM SAYING THAT ANYONE WHO PLAYS LIKE I DO, OR BETTER IS DOING "SOMETHING" CORRECT TO BE CONSISTENT & A GOOD PLAYER. WITH THAT SAID, I BELIEVE I WOULD BENEFIT & GO UP A BALL OR TWO IF MY MECHANICS WERE BETTER. 
For info on my skill level. I'm Maxed out in APA (7 in 8-Ball & 9 in 9ball). I DON'T HAVE A FARGO RATING
..But, I play with a guy who is a low to mid 600 FARGO. We play about even in rotation, but I can spot him 9-7 in One Pocket 
Alex Higgins was the same. Despite everything else going on, everything manages to be in the right spot at the right time.
EDIT: “THE” 69 break, with “the” blue at 2:40
Remember those days when getting your driver's license and the instructor would dock points if you moved your head left and right to look at the mirrors before a lane change? You had to get your seating/head in the proper driving position to do that. This my problem as I'm just thinking get low, but I can't see the object ball clearly as result. I mean, I see it fine standing and while I'm getting into stance, just gets blurry once I'm low and need to pop up right before CB contact to see the OB. Bad habit... working on it.
What I'm saying is one reason could be vision in general whether shot looked right nor not, need to pop up to see it through.
What I'm saying is one reason could be vision in general whether shot looked right nor not, need to pop up to see it through.
Watching pool you often hear the commentators say someone Jumped Up on the shot and that’s why they missed.
I started going back and watching slowmo and it’s like half the time so far that they are dead still until after contact with the ball, then they pop up as a “wtf” type moment.
Jumping up or moving on the shot is only one way to miss. There are many, as I well know.
I started going back and watching slowmo and it’s like half the time so far that they are dead still until after contact with the ball, then they pop up as a “wtf” type moment.
Jumping up or moving on the shot is only one way to miss. There are many, as I well know.
Yes, of course that makes perfect sense.
Players jumping up because they never got settled with their stance, balance, stroke, or aiming, etc for the shot and were as a result anticipating missing? Happens regularly.
Players jumping up on shots they were intimidated by and had no confidence in? Happens constantly.
Players jumping up on shots when feeling more pressure because of the situation like maybe it is a game winning shot or other do or die situation? Happens constantly.
Players missing because they didn't stay down? Happens all the time.
Players who suffer from some kind of pain or discomfort such as arthritis or back pain while in their shooting stance which causes them to jump up often as a subconscious reaction to wanting to get away from that stance pain asap? Happens a decent amount with those afflicted but the number of afflicted is relatively small.
Players who jump up on most shots as a matter of habit? Depending on how you want to define "most shots" there are a pretty decent amount of these players out there.
Players jumping up on the shot because they can already tell they missed the ball before it gets there? It happens, but not all that often in comparison to other causes. And you usually aren't going to be able to react that quickly anyway unless you were also already anticipating the miss. Maybe you were already anticipating the miss due to the pressure or shot difficulty or lack of confidence or because you never quite got settled with your stance or aiming etc, but in any case you were usually already anticipating the possible miss whenever you jump up because you know you missed before the ball got there. On a side note there is also some amount of self fulfilling prophecy to anticipating the miss.
Players jumping up on shots they were intimidated by and had no confidence in? Happens constantly.
Players jumping up on shots when feeling more pressure because of the situation like maybe it is a game winning shot or other do or die situation? Happens constantly.
Players missing because they didn't stay down? Happens all the time.
Players who suffer from some kind of pain or discomfort such as arthritis or back pain while in their shooting stance which causes them to jump up often as a subconscious reaction to wanting to get away from that stance pain asap? Happens a decent amount with those afflicted but the number of afflicted is relatively small.
Players who jump up on most shots as a matter of habit? Depending on how you want to define "most shots" there are a pretty decent amount of these players out there.
Players jumping up on the shot because they can already tell they missed the ball before it gets there? It happens, but not all that often in comparison to other causes. And you usually aren't going to be able to react that quickly anyway unless you were also already anticipating the miss. Maybe you were already anticipating the miss due to the pressure or shot difficulty or lack of confidence or because you never quite got settled with your stance or aiming etc, but in any case you were usually already anticipating the possible miss whenever you jump up because you know you missed before the ball got there. On a side note there is also some amount of self fulfilling prophecy to anticipating the miss.
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I find the most important part of the shot is making sure the tip hits the cueball precisely where you intended it to. Staying down is a means to that end for me.
You'll Never see a Top 3C player jump up on a shot!