Jumping: Yes or No
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It's all about the angles.
Billiards was designed as a game of angles....not elevation!
Keep it on the table!
Billiards was designed as a game of angles....not elevation!
Keep it on the table!
Bill the Cat said:
In my experiences with this conversation, It's mainly the ones who can't jump or do not jump very well at all that say this. No offense..
What year was the game created? and what year are we in now? Nothing stays the same.. Roll with the changes. :grin:
Jumping like Kicking is a Skill portion of the game. I have seen many attempt JUMP SHOTS, and fail. Those who Jump well, or Kick well, or Bank well have skills.
CocoboloCowboy said:Jumping like Kicking is a Skill portion of the game. I have seen many attempt JUMP SHOTS, and fail. Those who Jump well, or Kick well, or Bank well have skills.
I agree jumping is a skill, but I think it is a lot easier to master than kicking. Basically, you only have to master one shot in jumping.
Kicks, on the other hand, provide a lot more variables to the game with speed, multiple angles, and the difficulty of making balls. I think it is a better test of one's skills to kick than jump. I would rather see a great kick then a simple jump shot.
Bill the Cat said:
It was also designed to be played with a piece of wood with no leather tip, so let's cut off the Mooris and the milk duds and say goodbye to spin and position play....
Seriously, jumping made it easier to get a way from some tough spots but at the same time it requires the players to play better safeties that will not allow a jump shot. The overall skill of the players went up.
jumping ftw. anyone who says it's easier than kicking must really be a bad kicker. anyone who makes a table length jump shot with draw deserves plaudits, not flak cus they didn't kick.
another thing as well, I would even go so far as to say that most pro's jumping is not quite as strong as it could be. the standard of jumping has a long way to go I think.
besides in any case, not allowing jump shots is unnatural and illogical anyway. the balls all leave the bed of the table on most shots if you pay close attention. and what about those situations where you only need a very slight jump to get over the edge of a ball and you just use your playing cue? technically it's a jump but how can you outlaw that? all you've done is jacked up a touch and hit it firmer.
and why does no-one ever moan about masse's? they're arguably just as unnatural and not part of the game as jumping but nobody complains about them.
move with the game, and the times. jumping, and jump cues, are part of the game. jump shots are one of the things that make pool such an amazing game.
and while we're at it, here's what I think is the best jump shot ever.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LIynj0CZUgQ
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and I would rather see a great jump shot than a simple kick shot. see the flaw in your logic?
another thing as well, I would even go so far as to say that most pro's jumping is not quite as strong as it could be. the standard of jumping has a long way to go I think.
besides in any case, not allowing jump shots is unnatural and illogical anyway. the balls all leave the bed of the table on most shots if you pay close attention. and what about those situations where you only need a very slight jump to get over the edge of a ball and you just use your playing cue? technically it's a jump but how can you outlaw that? all you've done is jacked up a touch and hit it firmer.
and why does no-one ever moan about masse's? they're arguably just as unnatural and not part of the game as jumping but nobody complains about them.
move with the game, and the times. jumping, and jump cues, are part of the game. jump shots are one of the things that make pool such an amazing game.
and while we're at it, here's what I think is the best jump shot ever.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LIynj0CZUgQ
EDIT:
and I would rather see a great jump shot than a simple kick shot.
see the flaw in your logic?
worriedbeef said:
I think that this next shot is the best I've seen so far... and it was made with a full length cue.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-7Mu0o-yTyQ
coming from someone that is a terrible jumper, i completely and fully believe that the jump shot should be allowed. though my kicks are a higher percentage then my jump, i use them more. but if someone takes a jump shot, i believe they are playing their higher percentage therefor playing the correct shot for them. i think all shots bring certain aspects to the game and in the end they make us better players when we can execute them well.
Allow jumps with playing cue only.
I'd love if they ban the short sticks from the game completley. If you want to jump? USe your regular cue. and if you hit it or make it, then I'll clap for you!
It kills me when they use short sticks and hit the ball everytime, then I think "Why would i snooker them?" It's just too easy to jump with short sticks, Nobody kicks now adays too, which is bad.
It kills me when they use short sticks and hit the ball everytime, then I think "Why would i snooker them?" It's just too easy to jump with short sticks, Nobody kicks now adays too, which is bad.
Every organized sport, except pool, has a competition committee to make changes to the game to evolve with the times. Jumping is part of the evolution of the game. You can argue that its easier to jump and takes skill out of the game. I argue that it requires more skill and creativity now to play safe because of jump cues.
Millions of dollars are spent every year on technology to make equipment better (golf clubs, bowling balls, baseball bats etc..) Imagine how boring these sports would be if they were playing with same equipment they were when these games were invented. My guess is that proffesional football players love the fact that they no longer wear leather helmets and are now allowed to wear facemasks.
Millions of dollars are spent every year on technology to make equipment better (golf clubs, bowling balls, baseball bats etc..) Imagine how boring these sports would be if they were playing with same equipment they were when these games were invented. My guess is that proffesional football players love the fact that they no longer wear leather helmets and are now allowed to wear facemasks.
Its easy to play safe on your Chris, just leave you straight in!! LOLchris_williams said:
I think I've learned to kick better but I do jump as well if the need arises. Of course they all take skill. The thought of having to play stronger safeties is now a factor to prevent an easy kick or jump.
I agree with the comments that the folks that complain about jump shots are the ones that have never learned to jump. Like any shot in billiards all require skill to get the result.
I was watching Ned Morris demonstrate jump shots at the BCAPL nationals in Vegas. He is so proficient he could jump with draw or masses. He did explain one thing about practising jump shots to become even more accurate. This is where you shoot a variety of jump shots to land on your object ball at various distances. This takes you to the next level on CB control for the landing zone.
So for myself personally. I will shoot the shot that gives me the greatest percentage of getting the result I'm trying to achieve. If the percentages are equal I will play the kick shot.
I agree with the comments that the folks that complain about jump shots are the ones that have never learned to jump. Like any shot in billiards all require skill to get the result.
I was watching Ned Morris demonstrate jump shots at the BCAPL nationals in Vegas. He is so proficient he could jump with draw or masses. He did explain one thing about practising jump shots to become even more accurate. This is where you shoot a variety of jump shots to land on your object ball at various distances. This takes you to the next level on CB control for the landing zone.
So for myself personally. I will shoot the shot that gives me the greatest percentage of getting the result I'm trying to achieve. If the percentages are equal I will play the kick shot.
BPG24 said:
I agree. I can jump just fine as well.
If given an opportunity to jump or bank, I almost always jump because it is a high percentage shot for me.
I dont think jumping is going away anytime soon, but removing it from the rules would provide the opportunity to see a lot more interesting shots and strategies. IMO
Growing up in the new generation of pool, jumping seems to be the norm where I live. I would prefer 'no jumping' in pool but in some cases, the higher percentage goes with jumping. The only exception I think you can jump is with a playing cue. That takes a lot of skill and finesse to use.