Just need to vent

sfleinen said:
CreeDo:

The one thing I failed to mention is "why" the WPA doesn't recognize the Dragon Promotions 14.1 events as "world" events. In a word, prize monies. They have a minimum standard for an event to be recognized as "world worthy." (Whatever that means.) Instead of addressing this deficiency, DP has instead given the WPA the finger and is going off on their own. Not just calling their events "world" events, but even going as far as creating their own "Hall of Fame" with DP-stipulated player choices for people to "vote" for.

Now, having said all that, am I a fan of the 14.1 event? Of course -- right now, it's the only meal being served. And admittedly, the events are run quite well -- matches being served, plates being picked up, etc. It's a smorgasbord of great pool this week, and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

-Sean
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There was more to it than money it seems. There was a big thread about this in 2011 and Mr. Forsyth outlined the issues the WPA had with DP's World Championship. And it appeared to be more than just the money. I had to agree with him on more than a few counts, here is the post.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3179229&postcount=11

Either way, it's one of my favourite tournaments of the year. I'm looking forward however to seeing a fully sanctioned WPA 14.1 World Championship again. Perhaps the money issue should be relaxed slightly for 14.1 and call it heritage preservation thing? I dunno.
 
Cameron Smith said:
There was more to it than money it seems. There was a big thread about this in 2011 and Mr. Forsyth outlined the issues the WPA had with DP's World Championship. And it appeared to be more than just the money. I had to agree with him on more than a few counts, here is the post.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3179229&postcount=11

Either way, it's one of my favourite tournaments of the year. I'm looking forward however to seeing a fully sanctioned WPA 14.1 World Championship again. Perhaps the money issue should be relaxed slightly for 14.1 and call it heritage preservation thing? I dunno.
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Thanks for the link to that post. That was very informative and I had not seen that before.
 
well put

Neil said:
Again, the WPA is a governing and sanctioning body. Not a promoter of tournaments. They don't make the tournaments, they govern and sanction them.

There is a single governing body for pool. The WPA. Just because some offshoot wants to jump in and say he is also a governing body, does not make it so. No more than you stating you are holding the world championship in your basement next week, and when no one else shows up, you claim to be the world champ. Guys like CW are not a governing body, they are the guys that don't want to abide by the gov. body so they make up their own rules to everything and then claim they are legit. That would be fine if there was no governing body, but there is one.

To your last question- no. The reason being, would that player win it again if they held it immediately afterwards again? Not likely. He can claim his "fake" title, but that does not equate to being the best. It only means he won that tournament and can be considered one of the best. To be the best, you have to beat everyone a number of times. While the beginning of the tournament is round robin, the rest is single elimination. The "best" can never be determined by single elim.
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Very well put
 
CreeDo said:
I'll research it, and I know charlie keeps making moves that piss people off.

But if the sanctioning body's problem is prize money... maybe they need to relax that restriction?
Prize money is dependent on the economy. It's been tanking for everyone, like the US Open.
Didn't the world straight pool pay something like $20,000 for first prize last year?
If that's not enough, how much could they possibly expect?

I just feel like it's fair to call something a world championship, if it's got all the ingredients of one -
international field of the best players, prize money, promotion, and over a thousand fans watching.
Nothing else in straight pool can top it.

This is not me inviting some friends to my basement and labelling some amateur local joke as a "world event".
This is an ACTUAL world event advertising itself as a world event.
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OK, so by using your logic. What if there is another event equal to this one in every way, in Las Vegas in a few months. Which one would be the "real" World Championship?
 
Mark Griffin said:
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Add in that DP has started their own Hall of Fame - (you would NOT have believed the first list of potential inductee - it was an embarassment to everyone).
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I hear ya, Mark. To this day, I still shake my head at the inclusion of Willie Hoppe -- YES, 3-cushion champ Willie Hoppe -- among the "selectees" of choices for players to vote for this "Straight Pool Hall of Fame" the first go-round. In the 14.1 forum, all of us just about fell out of our chair laughing (or crying in shame, as the case may be). :thud:

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
I hear ya, Mark. To this day, I still shake my head at the inclusion of Willie Hoppe -- YES, 3-cushion champ Willie Hoppe -- among the "selectees" of choices for players to vote for this "Straight Pool Hall of Fame" the first go-round. In the 14.1 forum, all of us just about fell out of our chair laughing (or crying in shame, as the case may be). :thud:

-Sean
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I tried to find online just who is in their hall of fame. I came up blank. Are we just supposed to go by memory each year??
 
You know what's always bugged me?

The fact that the NFL refers to the Super Bowl winner as World Champion. Even though all 32 teams are located within the continental US.
 
AzHousePro said:
Sorry everyone, just need to vent for a second...

IT IS NOT A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Mike
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Another outburst like this and you'll be earning yourself a vacation. Consider this is your last warning.

We're trying to cut down on the "factual trolls" around here, so cut it out.

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Nostroke said:
World Series ring a bell?
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At least MLB has teams in more than one country (two, actually), and Minor League Baseball has teams in all three countries in NA. Also, MLB has an international roster, and none of the teams in other countries really hold a candle to them, anyway; that's why players go to countries like Japan and Korea to try to work their way into (or back into) MLB.
 
There was no NHL all star game in 2005 or 2006, if that were the the pool world, some promoter would have made a new trophy, ran a game in 2006 and called it the 55th All Star Game.

And all of the players would have attended and argued that it was legit.

Mike
 
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