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It surprises me to see threads, about the pool politics that's happening in the Philippines, getting low numbers of replies or even replies that are OOT.
I guess it really is unimportant to most here. But when I take notice of suceeding threads I see how the turmoil here has a worldwide effect. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the proof of the pudding is in the eating? Is this correct?

Didn't the BCA/UPA issue come up after the Philippine issue? Doesn't the newly installed WPA 10-ball rules affect every single nation/player? This new game (new discipline added to the WPA) rules came out to accomodate the new World 10-Ball Championship franchisee, wouldn't you think so? Cause and effect?

I post here in consideration to all the pool afficionados that I'm pretty sure will be affected in some way or another. Be it inconvenience caused by new rules adapted that originated from the Philippines or organization restructuring that can happen. Organizational restructuring to counter what was seen happening here or just to refine existing leadership to avoid the very same revolution that happened here.

Considering the Philippines' Poolplayers' reputation it really is inevitable that the face of professional pool organization will change. How quickly this change will occur depends on the support that the people involved, in professional pool, will contribute. We already do get communication for people's willingness to contribute to this revolution, but the question now is when will they be comfortable enough to come out in the open?

Why do I post these here where it seems to not get any serious thoughts and replies? Well, this threads existance alone should be compliment enough.
 
Speaking for myself I am kind of lost what the issues are and feel like I would not contribute much. I will read and come back.

Ps. Met you when playing in Cardiff and got to hit balls with your beatiful cue, awesome. Ds.
 
We have however had problems in my native country, one fed. turning into two, and back to one. Players hopping between.

In best of all worlds we would have the umbrella for all cue-sports, the pro pool tours female and open, and a fed. for every country. Same rules fixed dates for all big events, one ranking.

As for the Phillipines, I will be back.
 
bandido said:
It surprises me to see threads, about the pool politics that's happening in the Philippines, getting low numbers of replies or even replies that are OOT.
I guess it really is unimportant to most here. But when I take notice of suceeding threads I see how the turmoil here has a worldwide effect. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the proof of the pudding is in the eating? Is this correct?

Didn't the BCA/UPA issue come up after the Philippine issue? Doesn't the newly installed WPA 10-ball rules affect every single nation/player? This new game (new discipline added to the WPA) rules came out to accomodate the new World 10-Ball Championship franchisee, wouldn't you think so? Cause and effect?

I post here in consideration to all the pool afficionados that I'm pretty sure will be affected in some way or another. Be it inconvenience caused by new rules adapted that originated from the Philippines or organization restructuring that can happen. Organizational restructuring to counter what was seen happening here or just to refine existing leadership to avoid the very same revolution that happened here.

Considering the Philippines' Poolplayers' reputation it really is inevitable that the face of professional pool organization will change. How quickly this change will occur depends on the support that the people involved, in professional pool, will contribute. We already do get communication for people's willingness to contribute to this revolution, but the question now is when will they be comfortable enough to come out in the open?

Why do I post these here where it seems to not get any serious thoughts and replies? Well, this threads existance alone should be compliment enough.
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We had Alex and Shane playing a $20,000 action match in a facility with 3000+ pool players in it. For most of the second night there were less than 50 people watching it in the room. The apathy in this country for what is going on at the highest levels of pool is truly staggering.

And to be honest I tried to follow along in the beginning but after the 10th "Look what they did, see how evil they are" press release it all started to blur together. The average American IMO just sees two organizations fighting over who controls pool in the Philippines and in all honesty most people could care less about pool in America so why would they care about pool in the Philippines? Welcome to my world.

I think your country needs the same thing as our country. Someone needs to be a leader, a no BS "Follow Me" leader and get everyone pulling the same way or else the silly fighting and bad blood will just keep pushing people away and tearing things apart. The current climate in America is from 40 years of a rudderless ship just being carried along wherever the wind blows. Don't let that happen in your country.

Good luck I believe you have the players and games best interests at heart I hope your organization is able to reach a satisfactory outcome.
 
JCIN said:
We had Alex and Shane playing a $20,000 action match in a facility with 3000+ pool players in it. For most of the second night there were less than 50 people watching it in the room. The apathy in this country for what is going on at the highest levels of pool is truly staggering.
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That was an awesome match-up to start-off with which turned out to be one of the greatest. That would've gotten an SRO crowd here in Manila if done under the same circumstances as when it was done there. I'm assuming that people just headed home after the WPM and I'd look at that as an indicator of how tough the economy must really be there.


JCIN said:
And to be honest I tried to follow along in the beginning but after the 10th "Look what they did, see how evil they are" press release it all started to blur together. The average American IMO just sees two organizations fighting over who controls pool in the Philippines and in all honesty most people could care less about pool in America so why would they care about pool in the Philippines? Welcome to my world.
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I'm sure that it was all so confusing but the bottomline is that we needed a professional pool organization that's run by the people who's been immersed in pro pool matters for a long time. This amateur organization representing and trying to control professional pool here just doesn't cut it anymore. This new 10 Ball rules is a prime example of a chore done that just isn't made to benefit PROFESSIONAL POOL because it's obviously made by amateur who know not the needs nor the considerations needed to better Professional Pool. Pro pool has really grown here and an organization dedicated to serving it was badly needed. And I repeat "a DEDICATED organization" and not one that dips into both the amateur and professional ranks.


JCIN said:
I think your country needs the same thing as our country. Someone needs to be a leader, a no BS "Follow Me" leader and get everyone pulling the same way or else the silly fighting and bad blood will just keep pushing people away and tearing things apart. The current climate in America is from 40 years of a rudderless ship just being carried along wherever the wind blows. Don't let that happen in your country.
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You are right and hopefully it will evolve into that. It was akin to ancient times when warlords ran different dynasties. We are at a point where the warlords have formed a "counsel of leaders" that try to work as one. Still hard to break old habits but I can see that everyone in the group is trying his hardest to get used to this new coalition. The good thing is every single one of us each have our own primary source of income that profitability of this endeavor was never discussed and breaking even is very much a victory.


JCIN said:
Good luck I believe you have the players and games best interests at heart I hope your organization is able to reach a satisfactory outcome.
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Thank you. We're quite positive that with the resources available to us like top players that catches the masses interest, fan base, non-industry sponsors, mass communication media (TV, radio, newspaper, new pool magazine dedicated to Philippine Pool, T1 line for webstreaming, etc), knowledgable leaders and manpower that success is very much attainable here. But such revolution cannot be isolated here if we are to truly want professional pool to flourish. We will be opening our doors soon for the rest of the world to come join us in what we have to offer and hopefully it turns out to be what the "PROFESSIONAL POOL World" can offer than just what we, the BMPAP, can.
 
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Fixer said:
Speaking for myself I am kind of lost what the issues are and feel like I would not contribute much. I will read and come back.

Ps. Met you when playing in Cardiff and got to hit balls with your beatiful cue, awesome. Ds.
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Thank you, time went by fast. That was the time when we brought Dennis Orcullo and Ronnie Alcano to WPC for the first time. Now one of them, Ronnie, has become a World Champion and Dennis has been WPA #1rated! Kind of brings a smile on my face just reminiscing and looking at how far Ronnie and Dennis have gotten.

Well, we've done it once so I'm sure that we can do it again and again and again and ...........
 
What's going on here?


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bandido said:
I guess I expected too much.
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Just set the trail and everything will fall into place once they've seen that it's working. It's got to start somewhere...
 
bandido said:
I guess I expected too much.
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Sorry if you feel that all of us should immediately pay attention to and cry out for Phillipino pool players when something in the politics of their organizations upsets them. If you havent noticed, billiards isnt exactly in the best state here in the US. Yes, alot of amazing talent comes from the Phillipines, but I think most of us are more concerned with correcting the affairs in our own tours and organizations before we start going on the defensive for Phillipino tours. Plus, like JCIN said, every month it some new problem or scandal going on in Phillipino billiard politics. We have enough trouble keeping up with the problems and scandals here.
 
beav99_4life said:
Sorry if you feel that all of us should immediately pay attention to and cry out for Phillipino pool players when something in the politics of their organizations upsets them. If you havent noticed, billiards isnt exactly in the best state here in the US. Yes, alot of amazing talent comes from the Phillipines, but I think most of us are more concerned with correcting the affairs in our own tours and organizations before we start going on the defensive for Phillipino tours. Plus, like JCIN said, every month it some new problem or scandal going on in Phillipino billiard politics. We have enough trouble keeping up with the problems and scandals here.
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Sorry to butt in beav (pardon the pun) but from what I've made out of bandido's post is, they're trying to set up a new and better standard for pool, not just for the Philippines, but for every other pool playing associations of every nation as well. All he was asking is for some support/suggestions that they can experiment/implement while using BMPAP as the guinea pig. If they crash and burn (I really hope not), at least everybody will learn something out of it.
 
gopi-1 said:
Sorry to butt in beav (pardon the pun) but from what I've made out of bandido's post is, they're trying to set up a new and better standard for pool, not just for the Philippines, but for every other pool playing associations of every nation as well. All he was asking is for some support/suggestions that they can experiment/implement while using BMPAP as the guinea pig. If they crash and burn (I really hope not), at least everybody will learn something out of it.
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I understand that, but what i'm saying is that they can set up the best standards that meet the needs of the players, the tours and the fans, but it wont matter until the pro tours are well-established and under credible leadership. Its disorganization at its worst.
 
beav99_4life said:
I understand that, but what i'm saying is that they can set up the best standards that meet the needs of the players, the tours and the fans, but it wont matter until the pro tours are well-established and under credible leadership. Its disorganization at its worst.
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It's just a matter of time, the Senate inquiry is about to put their foot down on BSCP/Raya Sports. Happy days are but over for these opportunists.
 
beav99_4life said:
Sorry if you feel that all of us should immediately pay attention to and cry out for Phillipino pool players when something in the politics of their organizations upsets them. If you havent noticed, billiards isnt exactly in the best state here in the US. Yes, alot of amazing talent comes from the Phillipines, but I think most of us are more concerned with correcting the affairs in our own tours and organizations before we start going on the defensive for Phillipino tours. Plus, like JCIN said, every month it some new problem or scandal going on in Phillipino billiard politics. We have enough trouble keeping up with the problems and scandals here.
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I fully understand but I'm not asking for sympathy but rather offering a possible solution. Unless one is fully aware and learns from what has transpired and recognizes how the solution was reached then this "Philippine Pool issue" can't really be of any worth to anybody.

This is more of an idea offered to people in other parts of the world as a spring board to launch a movement for the betterment of PROFESSIONAL POOL in their own countries. Or, even better than using it as a model, start off by joining this movement and slowly (or rapidly) spread out into their own countries. We consider that we've established a proper climate for professional pool here now. Wishful thinking on our part that a healthier worldwide organization can grow from the seeds we've planted.

What's in it for us? Professional Pool won't flourish if it is just isolated to one country or continent. Think about it. Majority of the people here will agree that pro pool is more progressive in Asia but why stop the progress there? Personally, I'd like to see our progress to be infectious then maybe Professional Pool's status will be uplifted worldwide.
 
bandido said:
I fully understand but I'm not asking for sympathy but rather offering a possible solution. Unless one is fully aware and learns from what has transpired and recognizes how the solution was reached then this "Philippine Pool issue" can't really be of any worth to anybody.

This is more of an idea offered to people in other parts of the world as a spring board to launch a movement for the betterment of PROFESSIONAL POOL in their own countries. Or, even better than using it as a model, start off by joining this movement and slowly (or rapidly) spread out into their own countries. We consider that we've established a proper climate for professional pool here now. Wishful thinking on our part that a healthier worldwide organization can grow from the seeds we've planted.

What's in it for us? Professional Pool won't flourish if it is just isolated to one country or continent. Think about it. Majority of the people here will agree that pro pool is more progressive in Asia but why stop the progress there? Personally, I'd like to see our progress to be infectious then maybe Professional Pool's status will be uplifted worldwide.
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I agree, professional pool is more progressive in Asia, and that is even more of a reason why those of us in the US should be more concerned with improving the state of billiards in our country. The level of chaos within our organizations is at such a level that any attempt to implement such ideas would be futile. Before we can even phathom to use these ideas as a "spring board", we must focus on creating and stabilizing a unified tour that can sustain.
 
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