John Barton
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Smorgass Bored said:
It's never safe here which is why most industry people and pros stay away or participate very little.
Justis Case Knockoff Design Thief Exposed
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It's never safe here which is why most industry people and pros stay away or participate very little.
John has been the face of Sterling
John has indeed been the face of Sterling and spoken in their behalf in the past. It would be interesting to know if he has the authority to do so. If so, Sterling needs to stand behind him. If John doesn't speak for Sterling that needs to be made plain too. John is shaping many people's views of Sterling with his posts.
Hu
John has indeed been the face of Sterling and spoken in their behalf in the past. It would be interesting to know if he has the authority to do so. If so, Sterling needs to stand behind him. If John doesn't speak for Sterling that needs to be made plain too. John is shaping many people's views of Sterling with his posts.
Hu
BrooklynJay said:
This thread reminds me why the concept of a "trial by a jury of your peers" scares the crap out of me. Invariably, you'll always have ppl that couldn't care less about the truth or the facts. If they don't like you for whatever reason, they'll use any opportunity to try to roast you, whether the facts support it or not.
sygfrid said:If there's no PATENT (especially internationally), LEGALLY, anyone can use it.
A Jack Justis design will always be a Jack Justis design even if you put another brand name on it (in marketing sense, there's already an "association" of a design to a specific brand) . HOWEVER, if Jack Justis wants to have an exclusive control over this design or every design that he makes, having it PATENTED is the only way to go...
But then again, PATENTS are quite territorial in nature: "The grant and enforcement of patents are governed by national laws, and also by international treaties, where those treaties have been given effect in national laws" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent
I hope this WAR will end soon. May both parties shake hands, forgive and forget. And may we, the other members, all be instruments of spreading PEACE as there is already much hatred going on around the world; simple acts of kindness help build a better world
To John Barton:
So, then take back everything you said regarding the XB break cues being sold in Taiwan. There's no patent in Asia for the X-breaker, so fair is fair, right?
I'll take an apology for being called a piece of garbage during that thread too, please.
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look up the meaning of "peer"
Most people on trial should be scared almost to death if they look into a jury box and see a jury of their peers. The lawyers work on a simple theory, if the facts are on your side, trial by judge, no jury. If you need to baffle'm with BS, ask for a jury!
I have been involved in a few jury trials as a witness and expert witness. They are pretty entertaining when it isn't your head on the block.
Hu
PS I have been in the jury pool a handful of times over the years but somehow one side or the other never wants me on a jury. I don't think either side really does because I am likely to vote based on the facts as proven and based on what is right and wrong.
Most people on trial should be scared almost to death if they look into a jury box and see a jury of their peers. The lawyers work on a simple theory, if the facts are on your side, trial by judge, no jury. If you need to baffle'm with BS, ask for a jury!
I have been involved in a few jury trials as a witness and expert witness. They are pretty entertaining when it isn't your head on the block.
Hu
PS I have been in the jury pool a handful of times over the years but somehow one side or the other never wants me on a jury. I don't think either side really does because I am likely to vote based on the facts as proven and based on what is right and wrong.
hejests said:
Peer: a person who is of equal standing with another in a group.ShootingArts said:
Like say posters on a web forum... we're all peers here. Some objective, some not so objective. Some on topic and some using this thread to relive/refight battles past.
What I find pretty funny is that after 14 pages of some thoughtful and some rediculous posts, no one has actually grilled whoever it was that has actually been importing the knockoffs. (... and still i have no idea who that is).
Patents protect one type of intellectual property: new and useful things and processes, or improvements on them. There are even specific design patents for ornamental designs. (International patents cannot be enforced in the US, only US patents can.)sygfrid said:
But, there are other types of intellectual property that can be protected, for example trademarks and copyrights.
-td
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John Barton
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Shawn Armstrong said:
How is it that you quote someone else and then ask me for an apology based on what they wrote?
I stand behind every word I wrote concerning the XB saga. I also stated quite plainly that it was ultimately richard's legal fight if he even had grounds in the first place.
I apologize for calling you a name Shawn. You are a human who deserves more respect.
Wait a minute...
...you solicit someone trying to find a knock-off case, share a PRIVATE message with someone other than the two parties involved and then claim that you've done NOTHING wrong?!?
You're in a BIG way responsible for all of this mess for sharing a correspondence that is not supposed to be shared. And, YOU wanted to buy a knock-off case!?! And then Mr. Justis uses your PM to him to really get the ball rolling.
Am I the only one who sees a little irony in all of this?
MM...BTW who is that chick in your avatar? She is HOT
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
...you solicit someone trying to find a knock-off case, share a PRIVATE message with someone other than the two parties involved and then claim that you've done NOTHING wrong?!?
You're in a BIG way responsible for all of this mess for sharing a correspondence that is not supposed to be shared. And, YOU wanted to buy a knock-off case!?! And then Mr. Justis uses your PM to him to really get the ball rolling.
Am I the only one who sees a little irony in all of this?
MM...BTW who is that chick in your avatar? She is HOT
I think what is getting lost is WHY do they bother importing them? Because there is money to be made. If everyone would not support importers of non-US goods, then there would be nothing to import. This is the simplest way to combat this issue.
JV
JV
hejests said:
If you think by boycotting a few thousand cases the US market would collapse, maybe it's better off you stay in Canada.
JV
classiccues said:If you think by boycotting a few thousand cases the US market would collapse, maybe it's better off you stay in Canada.
Obviously you consider yourself to be talking just about these knockoff cases as far as "imports" - but your post above simply stated "non-US goods" - implying you were talking about ALL imports of products into this country, knockoffs or not, cue cases or not. Hence, hejests' reply to you.
Well ...
There was only one 'original' idea, and noone on earth had it.
Think Whitten is mad about all the 'other' cases now that are spring loaded.
Was a 'Toyota' originally a 'knock-off'? Was 'Seiko' a knock-off of some Swiss watch? (Seikos sold for $20 American on most street corners in Japan during the Vietnam war)
What happens is that yes, people take ideas from other people, they make a similair product only cheaper to get their foot in the door. They improve their quality over time and technical knowledge, and the quality becomes better, and finally it rivals the original and becomes a direct competitor with the original. All you have to do is look at the Auto Industry and Imports to recognize that.
My mom drives a 2004 Hyundai Sonata, my brother a Lexus,and my brother says Mom's car rivals his in quality. The Sonata sold for $18,000, the Lexus for $46,000. Now, the ones going thru the motions is Kia and Suzuki to get up to snuff on market share.
This process has held true for decades, and will continue in all industries, especially with all the 'outsourcing' being done by our country. These so-called foreign country plants will someday go independent, make and assemble the whole product, and be a direct competitor with the original American product. Since we are outsourcing the 'engine' of the product (which has the most technical knowledge) and just do 'final assembly', what will happen to us after these plants go 'Independent', and we no longer are equipped to produce the 'engine' of the product any longer.
There was only one 'original' idea, and noone on earth had it.
Think Whitten is mad about all the 'other' cases now that are spring loaded.
Was a 'Toyota' originally a 'knock-off'? Was 'Seiko' a knock-off of some Swiss watch? (Seikos sold for $20 American on most street corners in Japan during the Vietnam war)
What happens is that yes, people take ideas from other people, they make a similair product only cheaper to get their foot in the door. They improve their quality over time and technical knowledge, and the quality becomes better, and finally it rivals the original and becomes a direct competitor with the original. All you have to do is look at the Auto Industry and Imports to recognize that.
My mom drives a 2004 Hyundai Sonata, my brother a Lexus,and my brother says Mom's car rivals his in quality. The Sonata sold for $18,000, the Lexus for $46,000. Now, the ones going thru the motions is Kia and Suzuki to get up to snuff on market share.
This process has held true for decades, and will continue in all industries, especially with all the 'outsourcing' being done by our country. These so-called foreign country plants will someday go independent, make and assemble the whole product, and be a direct competitor with the original American product. Since we are outsourcing the 'engine' of the product (which has the most technical knowledge) and just do 'final assembly', what will happen to us after these plants go 'Independent', and we no longer are equipped to produce the 'engine' of the product any longer.
Actionhound
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i have to say that i agree with Snapshot on this one... (rep to you i might add), i dont see whats wrong with a little competition in every market, but thats everyone's own oppinion... this is how i look at it, i have wanted a nice "Justis" style case for my cues for some time now, but i cant afford to drop 1000, for it, so basically what you guys are saying is that im just SOL because i dont have the extra 1000? im glad that someone is making them cheaper because thats the only way i will ever be able to afford one.
of course i will probably fry for saying this, but oh well.
of course i will probably fry for saying this, but oh well.
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