Kaci, pro pool and prize money

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Eklent Kaci is very opinionated - god love him. He is not very happy about pool payouts, a point Darren Appleton also made in his new podcast. "Seems to have gotten worse and worse for some reason," Appleton said the other day.

Kaci wrote on Facebook:

Tournaments with 128-256 players and an estimated $250K-$500K all players expenses, yet only $50K-$100K in total prize money-it’s simply bad business.
It’s like a meme coin scam. Totally bearish
I’ll be skipping them. And i suggest u do the same.


Kaci followed up with:

To clear up any misunderstanding from my previous post:
There is money in pool, and we’re grateful to have Matchroom, the WPA, and Predator investing millions into this beautiful game.
When I referred to “bad business” I was talking about the smaller ranking events. Like Bucharest Open , Vice city open, btw my brother won them both.
There are still plenty of tournaments that pay very well.
I’ve built a good life by playing the game I’m passionate about, and I have consistently earned a good living from it over the years.
And u get to see every inch of the world.


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This is not a new issue. Pro pool doesn't pay much, especially when adjusting for inflation. The sport does not attract outside advertisers or get much TV revenue.

If we take Kaci at face value, not many tournaments would be suitable financially for pros like him. I counted 16 events with payouts of $125,000 or more in 2026.

Eight for WPA-Predator events, six WNT events (7 if the WPC is held this year), the China Open, and the Qatar Open. Prize money is also decent for smaller fields in the Premier League of Pool, upcoming WPM and some Predator events such as Teams or mixed doubles.

Appleton estimates it costs $2,000 to $3,000 for each player to attend a tournament. That includes hotel, food and travel. It might be more for international flyers.

His biggest complaint is the top-heavy payout distribution. He thinks players finishing say, 65-96, should get about $3,000 apiece. Help them at least break even. He also criticized WNT for increasing player entry fees -- something Frazer said in the past she would like to do away with.

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How do pool players travel at all? The very best have endorsements from Predator, Cuetec and other cuemakers. Unofficial sources put this income at $50,000 to $100,000 a year for top players. And $30,000 or less for lesser players. A few apparently get bonuses for winning major tournaments.

Top players also get money from companies that make tips, chalk, pool tables and so forth.

All in all, though, they don't make much. Most of their sponsorship money is probably used to cover their cost of attending big events.

Could WNT and Predator pay more? I don't know. There is no easy solution.

Whatever the case, the likely result is more players missing more events compared to a few years ago. I heard the Billiards Digest editor say as recently as a few weeks ago that some 9-10 spots for the US Open were still available. They used to get snapped up the same day in the past.

If there is one saving grace, at least for WNT, close races for spots in the Mosconi, Reyes and WPM means more players will be chasing points in smaller events.
 
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Calling it a "meme coin scam" is a bit much.

They do have to hustle a bit to maintain a consistent income during dry spells in their performance or in the tournament calendar - giving lessons, doing exhibitions, and so on. They probably consider it boring work that reeks of a normal job, but the opportunities are there for the taking.
 
Eklent Kaci is very opinionated - god love him. He is not very happy about pool payouts, a point Darren Appleton also made in his new podcast. "Seems to have gotten worse and worse for some reason," Appleton said the other day.

Kaci wrote on Facebook:

Tournaments with 128-256 players and an estimated $250K-$500K all players expenses, yet only $50K-$100K in total prize money-it’s simply bad business.
It’s like a meme coin scam. Totally bearish
I’ll be skipping them. And i suggest u do the same.


Kaci followed up with:

To clear up any misunderstanding from my previous post:
There is money in pool, and we’re grateful to have Matchroom, the WPA, and Predator investing millions into this beautiful game.
When I referred to “bad business” I was talking about the smaller ranking events. Like Bucharest Open , Vice city open, btw my brother won them both.
There are still plenty of tournaments that pay very well.
I’ve built a good life by playing the game I’m passionate about, and I have consistently earned a good living from it over the years.
And u get to see every inch of the world.


***

This is not a new issue. Pro pool doesn't pay much, especially when adjusting for inflation. The sport does not attract outside advertisers or get much TV revenue.

If we take Kaci at face value, not many tournaments would be suitable financially for pros like him. I counted 16 events with payouts of $125,000 or more in 2026.

Eight for WPA-Predator events, six WNT events (7 if the WPC is held this year), the China Open, and the Qatar Open. Prize money is also decent for smaller fields in the Premier League of Pool, upcoming WPM and some Predator events such as Teams or mixed doubles.

Appleton estimates it costs $2,000 to $3,000 for each player to attend a tournament. That includes hotel, food and travel. It might be more for international flyers.

His biggest complaint is the top-heavy payout distribution. He thinks players finishing say, 64-98, should get about $3,000 apiece. Help them at least break even. He also criticized WNT for increasing player entry fees -- something Frazer said in the past she would like to do away with.

***

How do pool players travel at all? The very best have endorsements from Predator, Cuetec and other cuemakers. Unofficial sources put this income at $50,000 to $100,000 a year for top players. And $30,000 or less for lesser players. A few apparently get bonuses for winning major tournaments.

Top players also get money from companies that make tips, chalk, pool tables and so forth.

All in all, though, they don't make much. Most of their sponsorship money is probably used to cover their cost of attending big events.

Could WNT and Predator pay more? I don't know. There is no easy solution.

Whatever the case, the likely result is more players missing more events compared to a few years ago. I heard the Billiards Digest editor say as recently as a few weeks ago that some 9-10 spots for the US Open were still available. They used to get snapped up the same day in the past.

If there is one saving grace, at least for WNT, close races for spots in the Mosconi, Reyes and WPM means more players will be chasing points in smaller events.
As far as the US Open, you must stay in the hotel to register. Texas has lots of players who would rather not stay at the hotel due to being local. It is possible you don't have to if you live within a certain distance of the venue but I haven't heard the outcome for that.
 
There are definitely more players out there Today, able to afford travel (Not too many tho) compared to the twentieth century, but what he's saying I've heard many, Many times in the past.
The road.... Appletons observations.....and it's playgrounds are a frikin' grind there's No guarantee, unless you don't miss like Earl for years that you'll make ends meet.
But they are ah comin', this is Shanes last yr to be able to win the US Open, kids with Good EYES are starting' to Show up.
South Korean Wu won the worlds when he was 16, and just won the largest payout for pro play, I think it was 1.6 million in China, definitely over a Million.
 
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wonder if it was predator or matchroom that took him by the ear lol

it is tough. but there is also a connection between play better and pay better..
Kaci wrote in another post about losing in the first round of the Arizona Open to Sun Yi Hsuan of Taiwan:

"Dunno the guy, but he played great."

I had to wonder. Did Kaci look up Hsuan's Fargo (778)? Check any YT vids? Do any scouting at all - what else was there to do in Yuma?

Kaci seemed slow to wake up to how good Hsuan is.
 
Money doesn't grow on trees.

Does Kaci think Matchroom are making money on pool?

The only profitable event in pool is the Mosconi Cup.

probably true. and it's not like they can or should take money from the darts side.

same for predator, they hardly make any money from their pro events, but indirectly they can make money with the product exposure. both promotors would raise the prize money if they could

and those smaller ones he mentions are basically poolroom owners. i'm sure they would love to have bigger sponsors for their events. but they don't have that.
 
There's just simply not enough added money in the pro events. It's crazy that a large percentage of the prize money comes from the entry fees themselves. So to some degree, he's right that it is similar to a meme coin scam. There are very, very few examples of sports where 1) the top 100 participants all can make a living wage and 2) that living wage is funded largely by other competitors.
  • Tennis, badminton, esports: all major tournaments are free entry for competitors
  • Golf: entry fee is a negligible fraction of the total payout
  • Snooker and darts: tour card system
  • Cycling: no entry fees, riders get salaries
  • Table tennis: same as cycling
 
There's just simply not enough added money in the pro events. It's crazy that a large percentage of the prize money comes from the entry fees themselves. So to some degree, he's right that it is similar to a meme coin scam. There are very, very few examples of sports where 1) the top 100 participants all can make a living wage and 2) that living wage is funded largely by other competitors.
  • Tennis, badminton, esports: all major tournaments are free entry for competitors
  • Golf: entry fee is a negligible fraction of the total payout
  • Snooker and darts: tour card system
  • Cycling: no entry fees, riders get salaries
  • Table tennis: same as cycling
I've heard poker has HUGE entry fees with NO added monies.
Playing pool, gambling, matchin' up, competition.... everyone expects and does pay 100% to play in the beginning.
Why do room owners have to add money.... just take their cut for table usage and TD expenses.
Cost of business, on both ends should be 20%. then get local advertisers to join in.
 
There is far more prize money in pro pool than ever before. Top players are earning over 200K a year and many others over 100K. Only a few years ago those numbers were half that.

If you can break into the top 20-30 pros you'll be making a decent living. Shane, Filler, Gorsr, Yapp, Biado etc are not complaining. Yes, there are probably 40-50 good players out there grinding to eke out a subsistence. There dream is to reach the upper echelon. Grabe has been out there a good 15 years and I suspect that 25K is his biggest payday ever.

Believe me even in golf and tennis lesser players are grumbling about the prize money while the stars make millions.

Even if the prize money continues to increase this conversation will never end.
 
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