Kamui Black miscue problems...
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I'll just throw my experiences on this one too.. Note that I have only tried one Kamui Black Medium tip but had bad luck with it for sure.
I bought it and had it installed on my cue, played with it for a few days and miscued like crazy?? I chalk after each shot, use blue diamond chalk and the cue is a nice custom cue?
After a few days of this, I went back to an Everest and have been fine ever since. The Kamui black came highly recommended but it did not cut it for me. Maybe I had a lemon but it was bad enough that I'm in no rush to try another one.. YMMV
I bought it and had it installed on my cue, played with it for a few days and miscued like crazy?? I chalk after each shot, use blue diamond chalk and the cue is a nice custom cue?
After a few days of this, I went back to an Everest and have been fine ever since. The Kamui black came highly recommended but it did not cut it for me. Maybe I had a lemon but it was bad enough that I'm in no rush to try another one.. YMMV
I have a Kamui regular soft on my cue. It plays well but flattens after every night out and I have to reshape it. It won't last at this rate. Also mushrooms.
I install Talisman soft for alot of people. The Talisman won't flatten or mushroom. Doesn't mean I won't try other Kamui tips, I just won't put another soft on my cue.
I install Talisman soft for alot of people. The Talisman won't flatten or mushroom. Doesn't mean I won't try other Kamui tips, I just won't put another soft on my cue.
The Scruggs is not a better cue. Cues don't miscue, pool players do. Miscues are caused by stroke errors, or poorly maintained tips, or both.
Kamui Black Hard
I have been playing with Kamui Black Hard for a year and don't miscue any more than with any other tip. In fact, I had more problems with the original kamui II. I never scuff or shape the tip at all, but I rarely go beyond 1 tip off center ball, as I play mostly 8 ball and 14.1 and believe in as little cue ball movement as possible. When I miscue, it is 95% of the time a faulty stroke, not the tip.
I have been playing with Kamui Black Hard for a year and don't miscue any more than with any other tip. In fact, I had more problems with the original kamui II. I never scuff or shape the tip at all, but I rarely go beyond 1 tip off center ball, as I play mostly 8 ball and 14.1 and believe in as little cue ball movement as possible. When I miscue, it is 95% of the time a faulty stroke, not the tip.
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Thanks for all the replies, it looks like im not the only one having this issue. Im not going to change my game or stroke to suit a tip, so I guess Ill try something else. I might give the Kamui II a try on a couple more shafts and see how that works. Thanks again.
Joe
Joe
I have only seen this issue on a bad install (tip installed with the glue on the opposite side). To me this is one of the best tips holding chalk.
Do you know if the tip had a serial number? Quite a bit of fake tips out there as well...
Do you know if the tip had a serial number? Quite a bit of fake tips out there as well...
DJKeys hit it like a hammer!
Everyone always blames the tip they have, when was the last time you checked your stroke?
I'm not going to air how I really feel..... it almost not worth it.
Shoot with a hard tip shaped well and a perfect stroke and you will never miscue.
Shoot with a soft tip shaped perfect with a crappy stroke and you will always miscue.
It's all in your stroke.....
Everyone always blames the tip they have, when was the last time you checked your stroke?
I'm not going to air how I really feel..... it almost not worth it.
Shoot with a hard tip shaped well and a perfect stroke and you will never miscue.
Shoot with a soft tip shaped perfect with a crappy stroke and you will always miscue.
It's all in your stroke.....
i bought them from Koinnkid, and put it on myself. I put the super glue gel on the side that says glue here, so thats not it. I appreciate the info though.
Joe
Well, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but if you read my first post closely you would have read that the miscue mark on my tip was close enough to center that it should have been fine. My stroke is decent, and like I said, one tip is fine, one tip miscues a bunch, thats the purpose of this thread. I know its the stroke that spins the ball, but I cant spin it if I only hit center ball.
Joe
Wow... This many people really have issues with the Kamui Black is surprising.
I'll add to the thread I guess. I have a Kamui Black soft on my Z2. I shot well with it for about 2 weeks, then I got in my new shaper from Dan Trogdon. My own fault, I decided to use the shaper right before my match. Honestly, I probably miscued about twice in the first match. From then on, I had it in my head that it was the tip or shapers fault. I ended up miscuing about 12 times mostly due to my stroke and being "gun-shy" after the first 2 times.
That was a bad night. Since then, I'm back to my old self. Shooting with a lot of confidence. Love the tip and love the shaper. It was "ME" that was miscuing. That night was the first night the Kamui ever saw a shaper. More than likely, that's one of the main reasons for the bad night. I use the shaper about once every two weeks with no set backs.
I'll add to the thread I guess. I have a Kamui Black soft on my Z2. I shot well with it for about 2 weeks, then I got in my new shaper from Dan Trogdon. My own fault, I decided to use the shaper right before my match. Honestly, I probably miscued about twice in the first match. From then on, I had it in my head that it was the tip or shapers fault. I ended up miscuing about 12 times mostly due to my stroke and being "gun-shy" after the first 2 times.
That was a bad night. Since then, I'm back to my old self. Shooting with a lot of confidence. Love the tip and love the shaper. It was "ME" that was miscuing. That night was the first night the Kamui ever saw a shaper. More than likely, that's one of the main reasons for the bad night. I use the shaper about once every two weeks with no set backs.
Snipershot;
As a authorized dealer, I have to say that this has happened with some of my
customers on some occasions. A player tried some shafts where one had
a black installed and in the corner of my eye (playing on the neighbor table to
the tester) I could se he was frankly jumping the ball - out of the table.
In my end (Norway - Scandinavia) - I change tips for free if this happens and if some one is doing this
them self (install) I give them the doubt and give them a free tip.
I have however had many many players which have been so please with these tips
both Originals and Black - and have parked the Moori long time ago, so if you end up
with a tip which is not optimum - I hope you would get the same backup in your
end.
Also, if you miss-cue, always use a tip tool to rough out the tip.
A miss-cue might burn the surface of the tip (causing it to slip) and cause more miss-cues.
Hope it helped.
K
As a authorized dealer, I have to say that this has happened with some of my
customers on some occasions. A player tried some shafts where one had
a black installed and in the corner of my eye (playing on the neighbor table to
the tester) I could se he was frankly jumping the ball - out of the table.
In my end (Norway - Scandinavia) - I change tips for free if this happens and if some one is doing this
them self (install) I give them the doubt and give them a free tip.
I have however had many many players which have been so please with these tips
both Originals and Black - and have parked the Moori long time ago, so if you end up
with a tip which is not optimum - I hope you would get the same backup in your
end.
Also, if you miss-cue, always use a tip tool to rough out the tip.
A miss-cue might burn the surface of the tip (causing it to slip) and cause more miss-cues.
Hope it helped.
K
What makes this a superior tip is my experience with all the other tips, and also my experience in the game. I have dealt with many other tips and also gone through the 'break in' period, and have also experimented with different ferrules among other things.
Simply put, a good tip isn't determined just by how far outside you can go from the center of the cue ball, it depends on many more factors like how it machines/delamination, longevity, density, elasticity, how well it holds chalk, and porosity.
Now, when it comes to playing, there is no reason to go more than one tip outside of center. There are times when I will really need to hit extreme low or another shot requiring extreme english, and this tip can certainly handle it, but it handles it differently than a triangle, or a sniper. I simply had to go through a period of adjustment. During that adjustment period, I stayed primarily close to center ball, and much of the time, not having to chalk at all, and developed a sense of how this tip reacts to different shots. After several of these Kamui Black tips, and I have tried them all, I am now confident on playing all the shots, and I know how to stroke each shot according to the way this tip plays. I did come across a bad one here and there, and that is to be expected with any product.
When I switched to ivory ferrules, I had to go through a similar break in period. With ivory ferrules, you also have to stay fairly close to center to pocket balls and become familiar with it's properties until you become comfortable with it. I also think ivory ferrules are superior to any other ferrule material out there, but to say, "How is it superior when you can't go to the extreme outside", is not looking at the big picture, only part of it in a period of adjustment. This simply how I feel, and as someone who has been playing for a long time, and now making cues, I feel I can be of help to those who simply don't know any better.
There are so many opinions out there, and there are so many different options out there and no one person is more right than the next, but when it comes to certain things, like Blue Diamond Chalk, Kamui Black Tips, Delta-13 rack, Super Aramith Balls, the TV Cue Ball, Classic Traditional Cues, Ivory Ferrules, and Old growth shafts, I am just the type of person who likes to share my feelings on just how much I think these things make the game so much more enjoyable as opposed to using anything less. Don't take it as a form of swagger, rather a pool lover's admiration for something great and wanting to share that from an experienced player to a less experienced player, and mainly for the reason of the enhancement of our quality of life lived playing pool.
For some reason or another (just my gut feeling) this tip out performs, out lasts, and out shines any other tip out there. I understand that there are also lots of good tips out there, but if I were to choose just one, this would be it over all the others, and that's just a gut feeling, not a fact. I don't know this for a fact due to extensive research or scientific experimentation, it is simply an experienced player who's tested many other tips, giving his honest opinion.
Remember, this all just my opinion, and how one person feels about it. If you want to state how much you hate what I like, that's fine, just be constructive positive about it.
Thanks for listening,
SK
There is a break in period to anything new, and I never said it didn't grab. I actually did go through some of the miscueing, but after a while figured out how to use the tip without the miscues, and now I believe very much in Kamui Blacks.
Simply put, a good tip isn't determined just by how far outside you can go from the center of the cue ball, it depends on many more factors like how it machines/delamination, longevity, density, elasticity, how well it holds chalk, and porosity.
Now, when it comes to playing, there is no reason to go more than one tip outside of center. There are times when I will really need to hit extreme low or another shot requiring extreme english, and this tip can certainly handle it, but it handles it differently than a triangle, or a sniper. I simply had to go through a period of adjustment. During that adjustment period, I stayed primarily close to center ball, and much of the time, not having to chalk at all, and developed a sense of how this tip reacts to different shots. After several of these Kamui Black tips, and I have tried them all, I am now confident on playing all the shots, and I know how to stroke each shot according to the way this tip plays. I did come across a bad one here and there, and that is to be expected with any product.
When I switched to ivory ferrules, I had to go through a similar break in period. With ivory ferrules, you also have to stay fairly close to center to pocket balls and become familiar with it's properties until you become comfortable with it. I also think ivory ferrules are superior to any other ferrule material out there, but to say, "How is it superior when you can't go to the extreme outside", is not looking at the big picture, only part of it in a period of adjustment. This simply how I feel, and as someone who has been playing for a long time, and now making cues, I feel I can be of help to those who simply don't know any better.
There are so many opinions out there, and there are so many different options out there and no one person is more right than the next, but when it comes to certain things, like Blue Diamond Chalk, Kamui Black Tips, Delta-13 rack, Super Aramith Balls, the TV Cue Ball, Classic Traditional Cues, Ivory Ferrules, and Old growth shafts, I am just the type of person who likes to share my feelings on just how much I think these things make the game so much more enjoyable as opposed to using anything less. Don't take it as a form of swagger, rather a pool lover's admiration for something great and wanting to share that from an experienced player to a less experienced player, and mainly for the reason of the enhancement of our quality of life lived playing pool.
For some reason or another (just my gut feeling) this tip out performs, out lasts, and out shines any other tip out there. I understand that there are also lots of good tips out there, but if I were to choose just one, this would be it over all the others, and that's just a gut feeling, not a fact. I don't know this for a fact due to extensive research or scientific experimentation, it is simply an experienced player who's tested many other tips, giving his honest opinion.
Remember, this all just my opinion, and how one person feels about it. If you want to state how much you hate what I like, that's fine, just be constructive positive about it.
Thanks for listening,
SK
There is a break in period to anything new, and I never said it didn't grab. I actually did go through some of the miscueing, but after a while figured out how to use the tip without the miscues, and now I believe very much in Kamui Blacks.
Before you blame it all on the tip, hand it to your local A player and tell him to draw the ball... I was having problems miscuing on draw shots and I swore it was the tip... Handed it to an open level player and he drew it the length of the table and back out... FYI... IT AINT THE TIP.
Amen brother. Well put.