Kamui Black miscue problems...

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I recently put a Kamui black medium on my Scruggs, and another on my Joss. The Scruggs cue never seems to miscue, but the Joss cue seems like it just wont hold chalk? I will miscue like hell, then when I look at the tip, I can see where it slid off the ball, and its not even close to the edge. I chalk at least every other shot, so thats not it. So why would one tip play fine, and the other tip suck? I also have a Kamui II medium on another shaft that plays very good with few miscues. Any advice or suggestions? Thanks!


Joe
 
you know i recently talked to a buddy of mine about this same topic. me and the other guy had a lot of miscueing going on with kamui black tips. i actually went back to using brown WB tips because of it.

the tip played fantastic for about 3 weeks then (maybe because i started breaking with it steady) i started miscueing with the thing pretty regular
 
I recently installed a Kamui Black M on my Mezz. I break and play and at first I did miscue a lot. I tried using my Willard Tool to scruff it up but it still miscued. Idk why but when I used 100 grit sandpaper to lightly scruff it, it fixed the problem. Hope this helps.
 
I put a Kamui Black on mine as well and started miscueing like crazy. I will try the 100 grit sandpaper and see what happens. It has been very frustrating.
 
snipershot said:
I recently put a Kamui black medium on my Scruggs, and another on my Joss. The Scruggs cue never seems to miscue, but the Joss cue seems like it just wont hold chalk? I will miscue like hell, then when I look at the tip, I can see where it slid off the ball, and its not even close to the edge. I chalk at least every other shot, so thats not it. So why would one tip play fine, and the other tip suck? I also have a Kamui II medium on another shaft that plays very good with few miscues. Any advice or suggestions? Thanks!


Joe
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I think you answered you question. The Scruggs is a better cue.:bash::rotflmao1:
 
It is very simple. You are trying to get too much spin. Also, you might have oils on your tip that you don't need. Shape it well, and roll it with a tip tapper and you will never have problems.

It also depends on what type of tip you used before. If you were using a single layer tip, those tips allow you to go slightly more to the outside of the cue ball. With the Kamui Black, try staying closer to center rarely going a tip outside of center. You will pocket balls more consistently, and also never miscue.

Make sure you don't have too much roundness on your tip.

When I first switched to Kamui Black, I had this problem. I have learned how to shoot with this superior tip and now I believe in this tip so much, I got a distributorship and carry nothing else in my shop. (Except for the popular elkmaster, lepro, and triangles)

Do the above and you will be happy, I promise.... This tip is the best tip ever invented.
 
Used to play with brown medium layered tips for years (Moori, Talisman, Tiger...), after a while got some miscue problems with all of them and had permanently - every week - to be careful to their profile and had to scuff them. All of them went down pretty quick - afer some months usage - and I just accepted that.

I put 2 soft kamui black tips on my playing shafts 3 weeks ago and no miscue and no scuffing since then, though even the soft variation is harder than the medium brown I've used til now. Will have to play a few weeks more to give a definitive feedback.


Serge
 
I have Kamui Black S on several cues and the only time I miscue is whem I go way outside. I was having a problem with Moori M miscueing thats why I changed to the Kamui.
 
Were they put on by the same person?

I had this happen a while back, and the problem was the person that installed the tips used liquid super glue. This will bleed into the fibers of the tip, and make it slick.

You MUST use a gel glue (LocTite Gel is recommended) to make the Kamui tip play correctly.

When you get one installed correctly, it will be your new favorite tip!!!
 
snipershot said:
I recently put a Kamui black medium on my Scruggs, and another on my Joss. The Scruggs cue never seems to miscue, but the Joss cue seems like it just wont hold chalk? I will miscue like hell, then when I look at the tip, I can see where it slid off the ball, and its not even close to the edge. I chalk at least every other shot, so thats not it. So why would one tip play fine, and the other tip suck? I also have a Kamui II medium on another shaft that plays very good with few miscues. Any advice or suggestions? Thanks!


Joe
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Hey Joe,

I used the Kamui Black for about week before replacing it. The miscues were terrible. I guess I wasn't advanced enough to use the tip or I was reacting to the herion you recommended I use :).
 
snipershot said:
I recently put a Kamui black medium on my Scruggs, and another on my Joss. The Scruggs cue never seems to miscue, but the Joss cue seems like it just wont hold chalk? I will miscue like hell, then when I look at the tip, I can see where it slid off the ball, and its not even close to the edge. I chalk at least every other shot, so thats not it. So why would one tip play fine, and the other tip suck? I also have a Kamui II medium on another shaft that plays very good with few miscues. Any advice or suggestions? Thanks!


Joe
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Come over to my house and I will put on a milk dud tip for you!! I tried the Kamui S Blacks and was having the same troubles too.
 
Well I just got a kumai Black Soft, and Super Soft from KOINNKIDD, great seller by the way. I put the super soft on my OB1 last night and only played one rack before going to bed, it felt good to me. I will keep you guys updated on what I think. As a matter of fact, I will start a thread on these tips in the product review section in a week or two.
 
SK Custom Cues said:
It is very simple. You are trying to get too much spin. Also, you might have oils on your tip that you don't need. Shape it well, and roll it with a tip tapper and you will never have problems.

It also depends on what type of tip you used before. If you were using a single layer tip, those tips allow you to go slightly more to the outside of the cue ball. With the Kamui Black, try staying closer to center rarely going a tip outside of center. You will pocket balls more consistently, and also never miscue.

Make sure you don't have too much roundness on your tip.

When I first switched to Kamui Black, I had this problem. I have learned how to shoot with this superior tip and now I believe in this tip so much, I got a distributorship and carry nothing else in my shop. (Except for the popular elkmaster, lepro, and triangles)

Do the above and you will be happy, I promise.... This tip is the best tip ever invented.
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No offense, but if you can't go as far out on the cue ball as other tips, then how is it a superior tip? Just saying.....


The only blacks I've installed are the super softs, no one has said a word about miscue problems, and everyone loves the tip. I have one on my backup shaft and I've never had a issue either. Anyone that is interested in these tips I let them shoot some games with mine before they buy one to make sure they like it. I haven't seen anyone miscue with it yet.

I would suggest hitting the top of the tip with some 220 grit sandpaper every once in awhile. Other than that you shouldn't need to do anything to it. That is what I suggest for all layered tip.
 
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I've been playing with a Black SS for a few months now and haven't had any problems miscueing as of yet.. unless I try something crazy, then all bets are off.
 
I switched from moori to a kamui black M a while back and its amazing. I recently have had a few miscues but nothin major. For the people sayin u cant hit as far outside on the cueball with this tip ill have to disagree. I play a lot of extreme outside cause i like spinning the ball instead of powering it and it hits great. Im not sure wat the guy used when putting it on but so far ive only had maybe 7-8 miscues in probably 6 months. Over all i would highly recommend the tip to anyone, maybe just tap it once in a while. Even with the few miscues i've had, theres no way id play with anything else out right now, unless the original mooris come back.
 
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I hope those of you with problems find an acceptable solution. I can't help but reflect on past tip reviews and remark how history does indeed repeat itself. Not too far back in time...Moori was the be all....end all....answer to "best tip out there" question. Then players started complaining that this clouds silver lining was tarnishing. Complaints about miscues, delamination, mushy feel....etc....etc. kinda seems like deja vu all over again......to steal a quote from Yogi.........Dan
 
I play with a kamui black soft and I love it. The only time I get miscues is if I use extreme draw, sometimes I will get too low. I have yet to have a miscue with side spin up to almost two tips of english. I love this tip.

I had problems with Moori medium tips before. I don't know if it is because I am improving as a player and my stroke is better, but I like kamui the best so far.
 
My 2 cents...

I switched from Moori medium to KB Soft on my old Helmstetter and really like it. I break with a new tip 10-12 times, reshape it and don't break with it after that. Plays like a old Moori medium to me and doesn’t cause miscues IMO.

I then bought an OB-1 shaft and put a KB Medium on it. It plays more like a (very) hard tip than a medium, which has been talked about in these forums a lot and I never got used to the way it plays. My miscues did increase a little with the meduim tip, but I'm not the greatest player so that probably doesn't mean much.

Anyway... I'm going back to the KB Soft even on the OB-1. Super easy to over spin the ball so you don’t need as much off center ball, and other than the occasional miscue trying to do something stupid, I love it.
 
SK Custom Cues said:
When I first switched to Kamui Black, I had this problem. I have learned how to shoot with this superior tip and now I believe in this tip so much, I got a distributorship and carry nothing else in my shop.
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With all due respect, if you had to "learn how to shoot" with this tip and if, as you say, you can't hit the cue ball as far from center without miscuing as you can with other tips, in what way do you find this tip to be "superior?" It seems to me that the main function of a tip is to "grab" the cue ball, and if it is deficient in this, how can it be deemed a superior tip?
 
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