Kamui tips, or it is just me??
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Sorry if it seemed like I was picking on you.. I was only pointing out the changes that tips go thru....
I was also pointing out a trend that has been growing among players at the pro and local levels in efforts to eliminate the need for adjusting to these changes...
As for your 4 wins... Congrats regardless of where and what they were!!!
And Mr. Moori indeed makes a helluva tip...
Chris
I am a Kamui guy cause I like them regardless of price,,,it amazes me how cheap pool players are, let's assume a Kamui installed costs around $40 and will last a minimum of 6 months (more like a year unless you play hours every day) BIG DEAL!! Your average golfer will buy titleist pro v 1's at $50 bucks a dozen and will be gone in 2 weeks to a month (if you play regularly) I guess I am just venting at all the tight wads that wine about spending more than 3 dollars for a tip, which is essentially the most important part of your cue...I guess I'm one of the few that still feel as if you get what you pay for. Personally if my tip of choice costs $100 bucks and I replaced it twice a year I wouldn't blink an eye at that. JMO...
Wow, you must be new here. $30 chalk can cause GOREDENGINE GOREDENGINE around these parts... $40 tips will get you a murder rap.
PS: I gave away 2 new, unwrapped, cubes of 1.21 this year simply because I felt like it.
OMGWTFROLFCOPTERBBQ KILL THAT MOFO CANADIAN!!!
I'm far from new here...however i am a Kamui dealer and installer and my customers never complain about price because many of them are golfers or are into other sports or hobbies such as horses or Harley's and they realize how super cheap pool actually is...:thumbup:
I can confirm 100 % in principle, although you have to stay neutral if it goes about the universal use of a tip in general. Not each player likes them, because it is such a very subjevtice thing feeling good or bad or being satisfied with a certain kind of tip. Me personally, I recommend people to try the Ultraskins, but I don't promise them that they will be satisfied.
To me the Ultraskins are one of the best tips I every played!
And if one wants a very good high priced tip, I recommend trying the G2, they are also very good, in my opinion clearly better than the Kamuis.
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I don't think the price is the issue.I think the price people are paying
for the lack of quality is the issue.
Seems to me quality in the pool world is a matter of opinion...for example southwest feels that triangles are the best tips as they won't install anything else where I am sure many other players and and repair guys would differ on opinion...my point is more that someone will buy a round of drinks on league night for $20+ and care less but a $25 piece of chalk or $20 tip seems ridiculous
I know, your join date is 13 months older than mine. It was rhetorical.
The Ultraskin is the one layered tip where I didn't have this experience of getting harder, especially if combined with playing styles that are power / high impact styles. My impression from the Ultraskin soft and medium is that they keep their elasticity and hardness, or they are even getting a bit more elastic and perform a bit better over time the more stress they get at a high level. Best example my friend who plays 3-cushion, he plays now the Ultraskin medium for many months many hours a day, and that damn tip still performs perfectly with high elasticity and very good grip.
But I also had the experience that at very soft playing shafts even the Ultraskin soft can feel too hard or some kind of "dead", and it seems they don't get the stress they need to perform perfectly.
--> Tom should make a supersoft quality for very soft playing cuesticks or players who like a soft style, then it would be a really really perfect system "Ultraskin"!!
So if there are very soft playing cues I am careful with recommending Ultraskins, and the harder the cuesticks or shafts are the more I recommend the Ultraskins.
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I agree Ried. Although I can't guarantee people will like the Ultra Skins, I guarantee my own installations. If I recommend a tip in general or let's say lately, I have been recommending Skins, I guarantee that my customer will like the tip or I will replace it with any tip of their choice.
So far, no one has taken me up on the offer.
This, coupled with comments on AZ by members that have tried them and like them over Kamui tips, then I can pretty much guarantee that if someone
that is not currently happy with the Kamui tip that is on their shaft, they will be very pleased with the new Skins.
For players that want the best, then an extra $10 or $15 dollars isn't going to bother most people much.
But, when someone puts out that kind of money that normally wouldn't spend that much on a tip but want to try them out, just like expensive chalk, and after a certain amount of time, that tip doesn't perform to what they hoped or heard or expected from a hyped tip, then they are going to be mucho disappointed.
That is why the players that have been trying the Skins seem to be very pleased with the results. Even players that were previously happy with Kamui tips but opted for a try out on a Skin are staying with the Skins.
Obviously when they play as well as a Kamui does in their opinion and a person can buy 2, maybe even 3 Skins for the price of one Kamui tip, then it's easy to figure out which tip they are going to stay with.
This is what happens when a product is over hyped. Eventually a new dog on the block will show up and they get to sit on the porch until they figure out what just happened.
John Bertone told me that I should be installing Kamui tips for $50.
Although, I want the best products for my customers, I also wouldn't ever consider trying to sell them them tips for 50 bucks no matter what they were.
That and why would I intentionally cut into my profit margin that much just for the privilege of stocking Kamui tips when I can stock Skins, give my customers a great tip and still keep my profits above what I would make if I were stocking Kamuis.
It has come to the point now that people that weren't previously customers of mine, are coming up to me on League night and asking for the same tip that I put on so and so's shaft.
It's just way too easy.
So far, no one has taken me up on the offer.
This, coupled with comments on AZ by members that have tried them and like them over Kamui tips, then I can pretty much guarantee that if someone
that is not currently happy with the Kamui tip that is on their shaft, they will be very pleased with the new Skins.
For players that want the best, then an extra $10 or $15 dollars isn't going to bother most people much.
But, when someone puts out that kind of money that normally wouldn't spend that much on a tip but want to try them out, just like expensive chalk, and after a certain amount of time, that tip doesn't perform to what they hoped or heard or expected from a hyped tip, then they are going to be mucho disappointed.
That is why the players that have been trying the Skins seem to be very pleased with the results. Even players that were previously happy with Kamui tips but opted for a try out on a Skin are staying with the Skins.
Obviously when they play as well as a Kamui does in their opinion and a person can buy 2, maybe even 3 Skins for the price of one Kamui tip, then it's easy to figure out which tip they are going to stay with.
This is what happens when a product is over hyped. Eventually a new dog on the block will show up and they get to sit on the porch until they figure out what just happened.
John Bertone told me that I should be installing Kamui tips for $50.
Although, I want the best products for my customers, I also wouldn't ever consider trying to sell them them tips for 50 bucks no matter what they were.
That and why would I intentionally cut into my profit margin that much just for the privilege of stocking Kamui tips when I can stock Skins, give my customers a great tip and still keep my profits above what I would make if I were stocking Kamuis.
It has come to the point now that people that weren't previously customers of mine, are coming up to me on League night and asking for the same tip that I put on so and so's shaft.
It's just way too easy.
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Pool is that type of game that once
it turns from fun to actually taking the game seriously,a part of every
pool players brain becomes nutty and eventually dead......myself being
one of them:smile:
That's something that I wouldn't notice Ried as I don't have any soft playing cues.
I'm just a banger and tend to blast balls around the table at a million miles an
Hour anyway.
I'm just a banger and tend to blast balls around the table at a million miles an
Hour anyway.
Trust me I understand...I've tried it all and as new stuff comes out will continue to...even though the best player in the U.S. (and maybe the world) SVB plays with an off the wall cuetec.... So I guess I'm a glutton for punishment but still love the game and like to tinker...constantly
@ Blue Hog
The truth is: Nothing is existing that can satisfy every single person. But as you do so do I, too. If I recommend a tipp, I take also the responsibility to always offering to install another one taking just the material price, but not paying for my work. 1 out of 50 took my offer. But sometimes I am not sure of a good recommendation and a keep away from recommending, it is pretty complex finding and recommending the perfect tip for someone.
The truth is: Nothing is existing that can satisfy every single person. But as you do so do I, too. If I recommend a tipp, I take also the responsibility to always offering to install another one taking just the material price, but not paying for my work. 1 out of 50 took my offer. But sometimes I am not sure of a good recommendation and a keep away from recommending, it is pretty complex finding and recommending the perfect tip for someone.
I believe Danny Harriman told me he prefers pressed Elk Masters. I favor the Triangles and Le Pro tips. The few layered tips I've tried haven't impressed me in the least.
How would you compare the feel of the Ultraskin soft with the milkdud from pooldagw8? I'm asking 'cause I make my own Triangel milkduds and my favourite version plays a bit softer than the Ultraskin soft, and I never had the chance to play one of pooldwag8.
I used to be a player of extreme spin (when I played with Mezz + WD700), and it felt so good to put a lot of english and spin into the cue ball to get it where need be. of course this is a way to overplay it, I really did not have to use that much spin, but liked it because it just felt so good lol.
then I switched to custom cue with a lot of cue ball deflection, i changed my game and play more center ball, my game improved greatly, at least the result of playing simple pool was much better.
I played with milk dud (pooldawg's) and loved it when I play more center ball, but when I put some extreme spin, it seemed very hard to tame. so I still stick with Kamui.
Moori tips were very good previously, they were played by all the pros in my country, but then they said the quality has been declining and counterfeit products all over the market, then Kamui came in and instantly became an automatic choice. Honestly I ordered a few Moori V tips from Japan and was not satisfied with the quality either.
I was told about the fact that Kamui tips get harder over time by a friend of mine, who is a Kamui dealer in Vietnam, he said that it was inevitable, but I was never convinced that a tip was good if it changed that much over time. SS became S, then M, that's just too much to tolerate.
I will be installing G2 to one of my shaft, can't wait for it. and I will get ultra skin tips also.
then I switched to custom cue with a lot of cue ball deflection, i changed my game and play more center ball, my game improved greatly, at least the result of playing simple pool was much better.
I played with milk dud (pooldawg's) and loved it when I play more center ball, but when I put some extreme spin, it seemed very hard to tame. so I still stick with Kamui.
Moori tips were very good previously, they were played by all the pros in my country, but then they said the quality has been declining and counterfeit products all over the market, then Kamui came in and instantly became an automatic choice. Honestly I ordered a few Moori V tips from Japan and was not satisfied with the quality either.
I was told about the fact that Kamui tips get harder over time by a friend of mine, who is a Kamui dealer in Vietnam, he said that it was inevitable, but I was never convinced that a tip was good if it changed that much over time. SS became S, then M, that's just too much to tolerate.
I will be installing G2 to one of my shaft, can't wait for it. and I will get ultra skin tips also.