Kamui tips

Michael Webb

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I just went to two suppliers sites, What makes these tips worth 18.95 each. I tried a couple and frankly I guess I don't get it.
 
People used to pay $30 for a moori plus installation and I was getting them in Japan for $5 each. I guess they're all the rage right now. I've played with them. I still like Moori's. Super Pro's play just as good too and they only cost pennies per tip.
 
i like them.i feel like they are similar to Moori but much more consistent from tip to tip.

for me they spin the ball more than Moori and most tips and i like the hit.

on another note you can buy them for under $10 pretty easy if you get a bunch.

the tip topic is similar to the joint type topic in the other thread.you will get a bunch of people saying one thing and a bunch saying the other.
 
masonh said:
i like them.i feel like they are similar to Moori but much more consistent from tip to tip.

for me they spin the ball more than Moori and most tips and i like the hit.

on another note you can buy them for under $10 pretty easy if you get a bunch.

the tip topic is similar to the joint type topic in the other thread.you will get a bunch of people saying one thing and a bunch saying the other.
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The ones I've tried seem more like water buffalo. Very hard. I haven't found a use for them.
 
masonh said:
i like them.i feel like they are similar to Moori but much more consistent from tip to tip.

for me they spin the ball more than Moori and most tips and i like the hit.

on another note you can buy them for under $10 pretty easy if you get a bunch.

the tip topic is similar to the joint type topic in the other thread.you will get a bunch of people saying one thing and a bunch saying the other.
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Way ahead of you as I knew that before I started the thread. As far as spin, it comes from having a stroke.
 
is that advertised price or or actual price? i know tiger has a set advertised price. something like $17.50ea for the sniper but when you buy them theyre like 7$ ea. from atlas.
 
dave sutton said:
is that advertised price or or actual price? i know tiger has a set advertised price. something like $17.50ea for the sniper but when you buy them theyre like 7$ ea. from atlas.
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Atlas was one of the sites I got the price from. I always look at Manufacturer versus the average Joe. But was mainly just curious what their claim to fame is, other than they advertise better than moori, Piss poor advertisement By the way. If you can't sell something without condemning another, You lack class.
 
Kamui requires all dealers to post a retail price of $18.95 for single tip sales. That is the bottom line on why. Can you buy for less than that. Sure if you are a cue repairman and want to buy in quantity you can get a better deal, but that is the retail price. I guess they want to stop the price wars between dealers. What makes it worth the $18.95? They are very consistant and mushroom very little. I think the actual retail price on Moori tips are $19.95, but instead of everyone posting Moori retail prices like they did in the early years, you have had continual price wars on Moori tips, and your customers can purchase for what you can. I guess Kamui decided to get agreements on single tip sales to make dealers charge retail instead of a guy being able to buy one tip for wholesale. I don't like it when I buy 500 parts and find out my supplier is selling to my customers 10 pieces at a time for same price I pay. You and I have talked about that before. So on single tip sales on Moori I charge more than for 10 tips.
 
The ones I've tried seem more like water buffalo. Very hard. I haven't found a use for them.
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that is why i buy soft and med/soft.


As far as spin, it comes from having a stroke.
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i have heard that before,but i am not convinced that stroke is the only variable.from my experience certain tips and certain ferrules do spin more than other tips/ferrules.also certain cues or cues built a certain way can spin more than other cues.all that is just my opinion and i know some guys think that tips/ferrules/cues aren't a factor when it comes to spinning the ball,i just have a different take on it.
 
cueman said:
Kamui requires all dealers to post a retail price of $18.95 for single tip sales. That is the bottom line on why. Can you buy for less than that. Sure if you are a cue repairman and want to buy in quantity you can get a better deal, but that is the retail price. I guess they want to stop the price wars between dealers. What makes it worth the $18.95? They are very consistant and mushroom very little. I think the actual retail price on Moori tips are $19.95, but instead of everyone posting Moori retail prices like they did in the early years, you have had continual price wars on Moori tips, and your customers can purchase for what you can. I guess Kamui decided to get agreements on single tip sales to make dealers charge retail instead of a guy being able to buy one tip for wholesale. I don't like it when I buy 500 parts and find out my supplier is selling to my customers 10 pieces at a time for same price I pay. You and I have talked about that before. So on single tip sales on Moori I charge more than for 10 tips.
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Thank you for your input, I'm not talking about moori's, merely wanted opinions about Kamui's. Let's stay on track Please.
 
I'm with Mike on this one, Kamui costs more per tip than moori, from day one they charged more, Kind of like a few new cuemakers I've seen-they charge alot out of the gate so everyone thinks there product is good/great. Truth be told, I have never liked the hit/feel of Kamui, yes, I've tried all the different hardness and on different cues, including my own. I heard that they played hard, I play with Moori hard so was thinking cool right up my alley. Well I think they have a very dead hit, and as far as players go, I know some of the best players from the midwest, and all of them who have tried Kamui didn't like them, One is one of the biggest cheap skates I've ever met, he play's with Moori softs, he splurged the money and tried a kamui soft, 4 days later, he personaly cut the tip off just to make sure he'd get a new moori put on and wouldn't try to talk himself out of it. To me they are a gimmick, costs more so it must be better, ah no. But part of our buisness is repair, and we do have to have what the customer wants so I buy them. I buy over 1000 mooris a year, price is right, and no one has built a better tip yet in my opinion, some have gotten close, most are cheaper, but NO CIGAR.

OFF SUBJECT: SORRY
Now if you want to talk about over priced and worth every penny, Blue diamond chalk is one of the only pool related items I think is over priced, but well worth it. When I see David Matlock In Vegas searching vender booths for blue diamond chalk, there must be something too it.
 
Michael Webb said:
I just went to two suppliers sites, What makes these tips worth 18.95 each. I tried a couple and frankly I guess I don't get it.
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Michael, I have no clue, from a cue repairman's point of view they are junk. They have a tendency to delaminate completely along layers during play or during installation. I tried some when they first came out and have never purchased anymore. I still have customers bring one in once in a while for installation, but outside of that I don't touch them.

Currently on the market no tip in my opinion compares to Moori tips. they are very consistent, they cut and shape like no other tip I have ever worked with, and they last very well if properly maintained.

Oh and by the way, whenever any tip is compared to Moori tips, you already know that it doesn't compare, or it would not be compared in the first place.:)
 
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RFisher said:
I'm with Mike on this one, Kamui costs more per tip than moori, from day one they charged more, Kind of like a few new cuemakers I've seen-they charge alot out of the gate so everyone thinks there product is good/great. Truth be told, I have never liked the hit/feel of Kamui, yes, I've tried all the different hardness and on different cues, including my own. I heard that they played hard, I play with Moori hard so was thinking cool right up my alley. Well I think they have a very dead hit, and as far as players go, I know some of the best players from the midwest, and all of them who have tried Kamui didn't like them, One is one of the biggest cheap skates I've ever met, he play's with Moori softs, he splurged the money and tried a kamui soft, 4 days later, he personaly cut the tip off just to make sure he'd get a new moori put on and wouldn't try to talk himself out of it. To me they are a gimmick, costs more so it must be better, ah no. But part of our buisness is repair, and we do have to have what the customer wants so I buy them. I buy over 1000 mooris a year, price is right, and no one has built a better tip yet in my opinion, some have gotten close, most are cheaper, but NO CIGAR.

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Thanks Bryan
That's the kind of reviews I'm looking for, I'll take positive and negative. Not just the price but the quality also.
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manwon said:
Michael, I have no clue, from a cue repairman's point of view they are junk. They have a tendency to delaminate completely along layers during play or during installation. I tried some when they first came out and have never purchased anymore. I still have customers bring one in once in a while for installation, but outside of that I don't touch them.

Currently on the market no tip in my opinion compares to Moori tips. they are very consistent, they cut and shape like no other tip I have ever worked with, and they last very well if properly maintained.

Oh and by the way, whenever any tip is compared to Moori tips, you already know that it doesn't compare, or it would not be compared in the first place.:)
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Thanks Craig
I have always been a believer when it comes to tips, if the first ones are bad for whatever reason, then they change the recipe to repair the problem, an equal amount of what you purchased should be sent free. Maybe I'm unreasonable.
 
I've always like Moori, but they have changed over the years (gotten harder). I went to Kamui and liked them better than the new Moori's. Then I tried the Wizard M, stone cold nuts. Cheaper, and they play jam up. I recommend trying one, I think you will be surprised by them.
 
I bought some KAMUI soft & medium & had no problems with them & liked them better than the Morri...JER
P.S where do you get your WIZARD TIPS?
 
wizards are the sh1t. best tip for the price.

every kamui ive seen has blue chalk between the layers. i had a few come apart and seen them blue layers on many many tips. ive never seen a layered tip do that. IMO they all come apart. im with craig i wont use them. if someone provides one i warn against it and tell them i am not responsible when not if it comes apart
 
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