Kamui tips

talking about other tips is off subject and we should stick to talking about KAMUI's, But in the name of conversation

I have to agree Wizards are the better of the new cheaper layered tips, much better than talisman for sure. I even caught/exposed another repair guy for calling them moori's. Which I've caught/exposed alot of that in the last 5 years.

Maybe we should start a thread about good layer tips-Just kidding, there are many threads on the subject already.
 
i am surprised to see troubles with Kamuis coming apart or delaminating.i have put on a bunch and never had any trouble at all.
 
As in every subject there is good info here, Thanks for the input. I am still undecided whether I should stock them or not. Between what I have tried in using them versus my choice for the moori. Tough decision.
 
masonh said:
i am surprised to see troubles with Kamuis coming apart or delaminating.i have put on a bunch and never had any trouble at all.
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Same here.
I won't even use Moori III now. They are the ones that delaminate even with razor blade.
 
I won't even use Moori III now. They are the ones that delaminate even with razor blade.
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and inconsistent feel from tip to tip,imo.i hear the 3.5 are better though.
 
I practice regularly and trade off between two Z2 shafts, each has a Kamui H. In stroke training over the past few months I have spent over 100 hours shooting diagonal, table length draw shots. All I've ever done is rotate the tip in a dime shaper after the occasional miscue (when I drop my shoulder trying to get extra oomph on the ball - body english). There has been absolutely no mushrooming, nor any other deterioration, whatsoever, that I can observe.

I don't understand how anyone could say these tips delaminate, or anything else bad. To me, it's just like when some people say that Predator shafts suck (feel hollow etc.) I just can't understand that!

FWIW, I practice on 9 foot brunswicks, in very good condition, and frequently draw back to the pocket I shot from. No, I don't try to do that every shot, I'm not trying to impress anyone that I am superman - just trying to backup my opinion of Kamui's.

I have my tips installed by a custom cuemaker, who trims them with a razor blade. They trim neatly and easily and, thus, don't heat up. I suspect that if anyone is having delamination problems, they overheated the tip when trimming - that's a No-No with any laminated tip!.

The tips I'm shooting with now were installed about 6 months ago, and still have two thirds of their original thickness. I always use to cut my tip thickness in half, after installation, because I like very hard tips, but these kamuis proved to be so explosive I didn't want to change them. Next time, I'll cut one in half and leave one full thickness, because I suspect the extra thickness adversely affects deflection (JMO).

Sorry for the long windedness, but finally let me say I recently bought 10 more Kamui tips just to be sure they'll be there tommorrow.
 
shankster8 said:
I practice regularly and trade off between two Z2 shafts, each has a Kamui H. In stroke training over the past few months I have spent over 100 hours shooting diagonal, table length draw shots. All I've ever done is rotate the tip in a dime shaper after the occasional miscue (when I drop my shoulder trying to get extra oomph on the ball - body english). There has been absolutely no mushrooming, nor any other deterioration, whatsoever, that I can observe.

I don't understand how anyone could say these tips delaminate, or anything else bad. To me, it's just like when some people say that Predator shafts suck (feel hollow etc.) I just can't understand that!

FWIW, I practice on 9 foot brunswicks, in very good condition, and frequently draw back to the pocket I shot from. No, I don't try to do that every shot, I'm not trying to impress anyone that I am superman - just trying to backup my opinion of Kamui's.

I have my tips installed by a custom cuemaker, who trims them with a razor blade. They trim neatly and easily and, thus, don't heat up. I suspect that if anyone is having delamination problems, they overheated the tip when trimming - that's a No-No with any laminated tip!.

The tips I'm shooting with now were installed about 6 months ago, and still have two thirds of their original thickness. I always use to cut my tip thickness in half, after installation, because I like very hard tips, but these kamuis proved to be so explosive I didn't want to change them. Next time, I'll cut one in half and leave one full thickness, because I suspect the extra thickness adversely affects deflection (JMO).

Sorry for the long windedness, but finally let me say I recently bought 10 more Kamui tips just to be sure they'll be there tommorrow.
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Good post but as in everything that exist, subject to personal opinion.
 
Michael Webb said:
Good post but as in everything that exist, subject to personal opinion.
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Hi Mike! You asked what made kamui's worth their price. I tried not to give any opinions, just basically tried to say I've smacked the sh*t out of some without mercy for six months, and they can't be hurt. I was motivated to respond to your thread because I saw other responses claiming they delaminating etc., which is not my experience. Also, I should probably mention that I haven't tried that many tips overall, but Kamui, IMO, outperforms those that I've tried - Tiger Everest, Tsunami, Sumo, and LePro. The extrahard Stratos that Mueller's used to sell was on a par with Kamuis as far as performance is concerned, as best I can remember, but haven't been able to buy them for a few years. Now there's opinions for ya! And finally, I guess I should say I use Kamui II's, I know nothing about the original Kamui's.
 
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I'm a proven dealer of Kamuis and I learned the following the hard way:

To try them out I bought some test tips from someone up here. The first impression was that they where kind of hard.

After I received the dealership I received proper gear to store these tips - directly from Japan. The result - the tips are totally different. Much more alive and softer than the test versions bought earlier. I guess the man I bought them from has not stored these good enough and potentially dried them up.

I received the tips in tin cans and these are again stored in special bags which is then vacuumed with a normal "dust-buster". It keeps the tips fresh and the customers likes the new fresh ones better.

So I have stopped storing any type of tip in plastic organizers and the like.

The feedback I have received from the customers (which has been all in for Mooris) is that the tips don't flatten out as easily as Mooris and that the Kamuis is not as soft as they thought they where. This was based on my first batch of tips, which was not delivered from Japan but from US.

Kent
 
shankster8 said:
Hi Mike! You asked what made kamui's worth their price. I tried not to give any opinions, just basically tried to say I've smacked the sh*t out of some without mercy for six months, and they can't be hurt. I was motivated to respond to your thread because I saw other responses claiming they delaminating etc., which is not my experience. Also, I should probably mention that I haven't tried that many tips overall, but Kamui, IMO, outperforms those that I've tried - Tiger Everest, Tsunami, Sumo, and LePro. The extrahard Stratos that Mueller's used to sell was on a par with Kamuis as far as performance is concerned, as best I can remember, but haven't been able to buy them for a few years. Now there's opinions for ya! And finally, I guess I should say I use Kamui II's, I know nothing about the original Kamui's.
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Hi Shankster
Absolutely great input, My line about personal opinion was for your sentence that said.
I don't understand how anyone could say these tips delaminate, or anything else bad. To me, it's just like when some people say that Predator shafts suck (feel hollow etc.) I just can't understand that!
 
I tried the Kamui medium (older version) for a few months and imo it was certainly much harder than a Moori medium even at full height. I found the tip too hard with a "clickish" sound and it didn't hold chalk very well either. One good thing about Kamui is that it doesn't mushroom but playability-wise, I very much prefer a Tiger Everest, Moori Medium or a good old medium-hard Lepro over Kamui.
 
Michael Webb said:
Thank you for your input, I'm not talking about moori's, merely wanted opinions about Kamui's. Let's stay on track Please.
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You asked why the retail price is $18.95 and I showed you why and brought up a fact about Moori retail prices that is similar to Kamui, but not enforced. That is staying on track.
 
cueman said:
You asked why the retail price is $18.95 and I showed you why and brought up a fact about Moori retail prices that is similar to Kamui, but not enforced. That is staying on track.
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Yes Sir, Thank you
 
Interesting post Mike and the answer is quite simple. Pure marketing. From day zero, a rumor spreaded globally that Fransisco Bustamente uses them and he love them. Then, everyone rushed out to get one. My opinion: very bad tip for the price. Plus a crappy noise that produces (like it is not glued well).
 
kgeorgia said:
Interesting post Mike and the answer is quite simple. Pure marketing. From day zero, a rumor spreaded globally that Fransisco Bustamente uses them and he love them. Then, everyone rushed out to get one. My opinion: very bad tip for the price. Plus a crappy noise that produces (like it is not glued well).
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Wow! Thanks for cluing me in. Now that I know what is a sh***y tip, what is a good tip?
 
kgeorgia said:
Interesting post Mike and the answer is quite simple. Pure marketing. From day zero, a rumor spreaded globally that Fransisco Bustamente uses them and he love them. Then, everyone rushed out to get one. My opinion: very bad tip for the price. Plus a crappy noise that produces (like it is not glued well).
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What hardness did you try? How long has it been since you tried one? I heard the first batch were not as good as the current ones. I have only tried a medium and soft and did not hear any funny noises at all. Also if you are getting a sound like they are delaminating it could be a installation method problem.
 
They are fine tips. Are they better than any other tip? It depends on personal preference.

I play with every tip I stock, before I stock them. I have Kamui medium & medium softs. Both play about the same but slightly difference in feel. The tips certainly do apply more spin. That's unquestionable in my mind. I have my playing cue that I swap tips on regularly on one of the shafts. My stroke doesn't change when I change a tip. I personally prefer superpro tips, which are hard & supply ample spin & a great feel. I also stock LePro, Triangle, Elk Master, Sumo, WB, & a few odds & ends. I have stocked Moori, Talisman, Hercules, Black Diamond, & a few others. Again, I play with every tip. I'm just very leary of laminated tips. Of all, I chose Superpro for hard, then Kamui for medium & soft.

The Kamui tips are very grabby & apply more spin than any other tip I play with. In my opinion, it's too much for me & becomes uncontrollable & unpredictable. I have found cutting them in half decreases deflection & adds controllability due to more feel. The thick tip simply feels dead. I like them cut in half, as much as I like my Superpros.

I have not had any delamination issues that wasn't caused by me. So long as my blades are sharp I have no issues. They cut clean & smooth & retain shape well. They also last longer without the need for scuffing. I cut mine down with a HSS blade in my tool post, no utility knife. I cut towards the ferrule, not pushing the laminations outward like I would with a utility blade. It likely makes no difference, but I thought i'd mention it.

Are they worth $18? Hell no. No tip is worth that much. Mike, if you want to get some, let me know & i'll ship a few to you to try. I get mine from a Taiwan dealer & he's very fair. If you like them, I can put you in touch with him & maybe the two of you can strike a deal, or not. But nothing on this forum will convince you one way or the other. Try some & see what you think. They are great tips, better than Moori or any other IMO. I do my best to use only the best, and I honestly believe in medium & med/soft, these are the best layered tips available.
 
thanks qbilder! Now you got my curiosity up. I'm stoked on kamui's. but I guess I gotta try super pro's now.
 
shankster8 said:
thanks qbilder! Now you got my curiosity up. I'm stoked on kamui's. but I guess I gotta try super pro's now.
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Briana got a box of 50 tips for $15 or so
 
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