Keith McCready beats MIKA 8-7 for the HOT-SEAT

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JAM said:
And you are a back-peddling crawfish.
On what issue have I back-pedaled?

JAM said:
Again, it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE -- again, IMPOSSIBLE -- with a zoom lens or the naked eye to see any crack in any rack unless you were sitting on top of the overhead table lamp.
You are unequivocally wrong. And let me be clear: that's not an opinion, but fact.

And even if I hadn't seen the gaps in balls (which, let me be once again clear, I did), that doesn't change how a certain individual behaved. You're discussing something that's not even central to my topic.

I would like to be done here, but again, so long as you keep calling me names I can't stand idly by, though at some point I imagine I'll simply give up. That point is nearing quickly, though, as I've said all I have to say. So, carry on.

JAM said:
I am not going to pick apart your posts and display your ignorance.
I don't believe I've displayed any ignorance. I know childish behavior when I see it, and the circumstances under which it manifested have little to nothing to do with the fact that it did manifest.

JAM said:
You truly have no clue as to tournament happenings, as evidenced by your posts.
And that's irrelevant.

JAM said:
If you think Keith behaved poorly, you haven't seen the best of the best when it comes to racking problems.
If anyone behaves worse than Keith, then I sure as heck would not be a fan of those actions either. But I didn't see anyone else misbehave at this event, on the same tables.

And for what it's worth, "well, he did it too" is not a very valid argument. Not from my three-year-old daughter, and not from a mature adult.

As I said, I've grown tired and said all I need to say. I also believe - or hope, at least - that I've said what I needed to say as fairly as possible. It was my intent to share my recollection and opinions based on what I observed. Nothing more, nothing less. My opinion boils down to "Keith played well but behaved poorly," and if that gets your undies in such a bunch, well, perhaps it simply shouldn't. I'd agree to disagree, but there's nothing to agree or disgree with, as the only thing being debated is an opinion. And seriously, do you really care what I think?
 
pokerhammer said:
How come I got a warning for calling someone an idiot, yet other people can name call all they want and nothing happens. Also, why does Iacas get to delete posts in other threads yet nothing happens to him , and other people get banned. lol, this entire forum makes no sense.

Really you got a warning for calling someone an idiot? wow seems a little sad if on a pool forum you can't call someone that. Idiot is not a bad word according to the dictionary:(
 
Erik, while I seldom get into attacking or defending someone else's post in these forums simply because the end doesn't justify the means, I had to respond to your post. I read most of the other posts after yours FTR.

It seems that your post was tainted with some obvious bias, CONTRARY to your statement about your looking to be a fan of McCready. Your statement about his usual tipsy self that couldn't rack a set of 9 balls straight or without missing gaps DISCLOSES and insinuates that you are not a fan of KM nor have you ever been one. Your post might have had a little more creedence if you had left out your bias about "KM's usual tipsy self" comments.

I too am disgusted with poor behavior including sharking at the pool table but some balls and some tables cause problems for the rackers. Some people rack better than others or should I say with less imperfections than others. I rack fairly well but have had so much trouble racking the balls on racking/error-prone tables, that I would prefer my opponent to rack simply because I couldn't get the balls to set without gaps no matter how hard I tried.

I have seen many pro players complain about their opponent's racking and it is probably just to say that EVERY pro pool player at some time in their life has been accused of giving poor racks and for more than just a few times and on more than a few occasions. It can be pretty frustrating for both parties.

It should be left up to the two parties to work out their disagreements and when that can't be done the tournament director or referee should be called in. Others opinions informed or ILL-INFORMED are just that and tend to be biased just as yours were.

JoeyA


iacas said:
I was there. I was looking to be a fan of McCready, but his behavior, attitude, and treatment of Immonen in that match was a disgrace. His usual tipsy self couldn't rack a set of 9-balls straight or without gaps in the balls. I could see the gaps a few rows back in the stands. KM was petulent, childish, and condescending towards Mika when Immonen would ask him to re-rack. When Mika finally asked an official to look at the rack(s), KM whined about all the "slug" racks Mika had given him.

I wasn't pulling for anyone at the start of the match, but by the end you darn well bet your butt I was pulling for "the good guy" to win, and that wasn't KM.
 
Dood- stop typing in this thread. you have stated your interpretation of the events you witnessed, others have stated their disagreement with your assessment. Enough with the pride...just let it be.

iacas said:
... I've said all I have to say...

...And that's irrelevant...

...As I said, I've grown tired and said all I need to say.
 
wait wait I want to call him an idiot one more time

Black-Balled said:
Dood- stop typing in this thread. you have stated your interpretation of the events you witnessed, others have stated their disagreement with your assessment. Enough with the pride...just let it be.
 
Egg McDogit said:
someone got called an idiot when they voiced a really stupid and uninformed opinion. there are a lot of idiots on this forum, so get used to it.

I was just pointing out the inconsistancy in the moderation of this forum Egg. I will continue to do so, so get used to it pal. I think the mans opinion might be a little more intellegent and informed than you think. I like Keith and really enjoy Jenny, however, I don't lie to myself.
Purdman:cool:
 
Purdman said:
I was just pointing out the inconsistancy in the moderation of this forum Egg. I will continue to do so, so get used to it pal. I think the mans opinion might be a little more intellegent and informed than you think. I like Keith and really enjoy Jenny, however, I don't lie to myself.
Purdman:cool:

So you think it's okay for a moderator on this board to attack a pro pool player? A moderator who has never been at a big money tournament, a moderator who doesn't know this is a daily thing?
Just so you know I do enjoy your wisdom.
I just have to ask one more question if mr.Wilson had come out dumping on a Pro player like this, then what?
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
I've tried to out iacas on my ignore list but it won't let me. As he is a moderator.
I guess once again a moderator is just going to run willy nilly around here. At least Icon was funny, this one deleting posts and then slamming a pro player for racking,,,,LOL omg get a grip
Go to about ten tourneys for big money and then come back and talk about racking.
,,,sheeesh

I tried to put him on my ignore list and now he's sent me a PM, OMG what the heck is going on here?
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
I tried to put him on my ignore list and now he's sent me a PM, OMG what the heck is going on here?
You should put the PM up for all to see. I see nothing wrong with your posts in this thread.
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
So you think it's okay for a moderator on this board to attack a pro pool player? A moderator who has never been at a big money tournament, a moderator who doesn't know this is a daily thing?
Just so you know I do enjoy your wisdom.
I just have to ask one more question if mr.Wilson had come out dumping on a Pro player like this, then what?

I was just pointing out the inconsistancy in the moderation of this forum Egg. I will continue to do so, so get used to it pal. I think the mans opinion might be a little more intellegent and informed than you think. I like Keith and really enjoy Jenny, however, I don't lie to myself.
Purdman



How in the hell did you get (So you think it's okay for a moderator on this board to attack a pro pool player?) out of my post concerning the inconsistancy of the moderation on this forum? I believe you have misunderstood the point of my post. All is well my friend!
Purdman:cool:
PS: NO i DON'T THINK IT'S OK FOR A MODERATOR ON THIS BOARD TO ATTACK A PRO PLAYER! I do however respect his right to his opinion!
 
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Gunn_Slinger said:
I tried to put him on my ignore list and now he's sent me a PM, OMG what the heck is going on here?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt this same thing happen a few weeks ago to The Baby's Arm, or gotmilf where Iacas was deleting his posts and then he got banned?
 
JAM said:
but I am very happy that Keith, given the opportunity to play, which isn't too frequent these days, did well this past week. I

JAM

I was following along until this post. Why is Keith not given the opportunity to play? I figured he would be gearing up for the IPT.
 
pokerhammer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt this same thing happen a few weeks ago to The Baby's Arm, or gotmilf where Iacas was deleting his posts and then he got banned?
That's the story I heard thru the rumour mill, no one from AZ ever came on to explain how his posts were deleted. Then tba got banned. I don't know how long for, I thought u were to get a week ban then a life ban if u were totally loopy.
I don't know anymore.
 
The Keith Factor

iacas said:
As you should be. Keith played and finished well and he had a large following that rooted hard for him.


And Kim's opponent re-racked the balls for ten minutes, and did so without complaint. No referees were involved. Keith threw the balls in the rack, slid it forward, lifted off the rack, and called it "good" several times when it wasn't. I seriously doubt Mika was asking for a re-rack when he didn't need them, because he was stressed out by the way he was being treated, too.

At no other table that I saw was an oponent treated with the hostility and childishness I saw exhibited at in the KM/Mika match, and none of it was coming from Mika. Every other player I saw took great care in racking the balls, and when asked, re-racked without comment or complaint. Every other player was going through the same "heat of the battle." Only one player behaved poorly.


Knowing this, perhaps he could have actually taken his time to rack the balls. Knowing the conditions were tough, perhaps he could have accepted that he had to re-rack a few times without complaining each time. And the table condition had little to do with the rack being aligned properly, just with balls moving a lot.

I watched another match the day before on the same table, and you're correct: it seemed to be one of the more troublesome tables. But in that match, the guys took great care in racking the balls and things didn't get out of hand in the least bit.


Indeed I am entitled to my opinion and you yours. But thank you for reporting my post anyway. I suppose next time I should watch out before I dare so much as to disagree with you while talking about something pool-related.


I was also the guy with the pretty capable camera lens.

As a rule, and as someone trained in the sciences, I attempt to gather as many facts as possible before making an opinion. At first I thought Mika was being unnecessarily picky - nobody else had had this many problems and I'd not seen any of Mika's other matches except across the way. I changed my mind when I saw with my own eyes fairly large gaps between the side balls through my camera lens.

Furthermore, please understand that I know the difference between calling someone something and calling their behavior something. Smart people can do stupid things - doesn't make 'em stupid. In this instance, I was clear to say that his behavior was a disgrace, not the man himself.


None of my post was "holier than thou." You darn well bet I wouldn't have treated my opponent as Keith did, but I didn't even say that. And yes, it was my first time at a high-level pool tournament. But I watched just about all the action I could and you know what? Not one other person I saw had a childish little fight about racking the balls. That says something to me.

None of that implies or makes me "holier than thou." It does, however, make me observant. I've compared pool to golf several times, and in golf behavior like he exhibited Sunday against Mika would not be tolerated.


It's my honest opinion. As I said, I wanted to be a fan of Keith's. His own actions turned my favor towards his opponent. My wife - who really couldn't have cared less who won and who barely cares about pool at all - expressed the same thing to me. She said she "felt bad for that kid" (Immonen) and also said "I have to hold back my teacher instincts, but even my seventh graders don't behave like this."

Those are the facts of my (and my wife's) opinions. I didn't post here to be a jerk, just to provide another viewpoint on Keith's match versus Mika (which, contrary to the subject, was won 9-8).


Why should I have waited a day or two? I could have posted mid-day Sunday. I waited until late evening Monday, not because I wanted to, but because I'd caught up on work by then and could "dilly dally" a bit.

I sincerely hope this is my last post here. However, attempts to make my post(s) into something they're not or to call me names will likely be met with further responses, as I've never been one to sit by in such cases.

I'm not one to back down from two things: the truth or an opinion. I'm also one who takes great care in separating the two. My posts have contained a bit of both, and as intelligent people, I imagine you can determine which is which.


I just had to put in my two cents, since I probably know Keith as well as anyone on this forum. In all my years with Keith I have NEVER seen him try to shark anyone or put a rack on them. It is just not in his make-up. He tries to beat 'em fair and square.

Now his behavior can be rather outrageous at times, but usually it is humorous and not offensive. There must be some reason that, unlike Earl, people end up loving Keith after watching him play.

Keith is a notch above the rest of us in most everything he does, so he may well be able to throw a good rack up there rather quickly. After all he's racked the balls a million times or two, so he should know how to do it. He likes to keep the momentum flowing so racking quickly would be the norm for him. a deliberate bad rack would not be.

And yes, he may get a little impatient with someone he believes is slowing down the match. And if he appears petulant, I wouldn't be surprised. But if he was malacious as you said, I would be. The picture taken afterward by Jam seems to deny that assertation.

In conclusion, KEITH is an American original! Never been one like him before and probably never will be another. Just enjoy him while he's here.
He spouts lines that come from out of the air, simply hilarious. I'm glad to have been around him for all those years, even though it cost me $$$ a few times.

And by the way, he may only be the most talented man to ever wield a cue.
What he did and does with the cue ball is unique.
 
jay helfert said:
I just had to put in my two cents, since I probably know Keith as well as anyone on this forum. In all my years with Keith I have NEVER seen him try to shark anyone or put a rack on them. It is just not in his make-up. He tries to beat 'em fair and square.

NEVER is a strong word. Too bad the guy with the expensive camera to see the gaps between the balls didn't have a video camera with him to prove/disprove his point. Or, as he claims, if he took the time to see the gaps time & time again thru his camera lens, he could have at least snapped one picture. (Oh my god, I just defended Keith M.)
 
Hey JAM, big congrats to Keith and you for doing so well at the Joss tourny. The player may be the one in the spotlight, but behind the scenes the significant other has a huge role in helping the player be all he can be.

As for the moderator turned rack critic, you are entitled to your opinion but I think it was out of line to bring this up at this moment. Jeez can't you let JAM have a happy moment without trying to crap all over her sunny day? It's not like JAM doesnt contribute to this board in alot of ways. She has completely earned some respect from you of all people who is suppose to help grow this board through moderation.
 
I want to know

a shot by shot of the last game of the match. It was reported that Mika, when on the hill, missed the 8 ball, and Keith got out, that would have made it hill-to-hill. What went on in the last game?

And why did Mika have to bank the 8 ball? Did he just miss shape? Did the cue kiss another ball coming around the table?
 
I gotta stand up for the dude with the 500mm lens, because I own one myself, and he's clearly and level-headedly stated his opinions. Obviously JAM is going to defend Keith (who I am a fan of).

It is incredible the things you can see from a distance with a 500mm lens:

"Gee, that football player down on the field is wearing an earing!"
 
telkwa said:
I gotta stand up for the dude with the 500mm lens, because I own one myself, and he's clearly and level-headedly stated his opinions. Obviously JAM is going to defend Keith (who I am a fan of).

It is incredible the things you can see from a distance with a 500mm lens:

"Gee, that football player down on the field is wearing an earing!"

So did I miss it, did he post a pic of the rack he keeps yabbering about? I mean really, if I was taking pictures I would have taken one of the 500 racks Keith had to rerack, lets just all move on this is just petty.
Now I know how the Earl fans feel when people call him a gomer.
I'm just disappointed that a MODERATOR on this board ATTACKED a PRO PLAYER. I'm now giving myself a TIMEOUT.
Have a spendid day
mrs.g
 
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