Kevin Trudeau hawking more books on TV...

[itsfroze]

Good questions here. No doubt, it's all about one's perspective. At tmes, the WPA in particular has achieved only marginal results, but of late, they seem to have had some measure of success.

The WPA announced within the past week a 26 event calendar for the upcoming year. My initial reaction is to applaud their efforts. After all, for them to have an event every two weeks on average means that for the player willing to compete internationally, there will be a very full slate of events and a whole lot of earnings opportunities.... and that's on top of what they can earn in tournaments in their own or nearby countries.

One of the core questions that needs to be considered, and which has, at times, been debated right here on AZB, is whether the growth of pool internationally is important to American pool. After all, to nobody's surprise, nearly all of the 26 WPA events will be in either Asia or the Middle East.

I come from the school of thought that worldwide growth of the game means more money in the profession called pro pool and that this should be a good thing for all who play pro pool.

Hence, my view is that the WPA has something to show of late for its efforts. The BCA however, is much harder to make a case for, and many argue that, as a trade organization, it should not remain the American delegate to the WPA, but that's a debate for another day.

I could understand why some might feel that, because America has failed to provide a pro tour or some other vehicle or means by which American players could participate much more often on the internaitonal tournament scene, the growth of pool on the international scene is of only marginal importance. I just don't happen to agree with those who feel this way.

Thanks once again for replying. I think that in some ways I do agree with you that the WPA is as of late doing a better job. The fact that there are going to be 26 tournaments this year worldwide does speak to that, even though as your post said most of the tournaments are in Asia or the Middle East. Still as you pointed out the more tournaments the more chances to make money and one every two weeks is I have to say way better than what the WPA used to do. So maybe they are getting better at what they do, I hope so.

Also I think that if you're a professional player you have to be good enough to make money on the world stage, of coarse you have to be in it to win it. Having said that I also understand that the travel expenses will be more since basically all the tournaments are outside of the US. There also seems to be less player sponsorship in the US as opposed to other countries. Not to mention that other countries help their players financially and of coarse the standard fact that in pro pool the prize funds just aren't that big. These are big challenges for the U.S. players!

Then there's the fact that the money that is earned just doesn't go as far here in the U.S. as some other countries. All this screams to the fact that the governing bodies in the U.S. need to find a way to help Pro Players in this country. All one has to do is take a look at the amount of (or should I say the lack of) US players in the International events. Actually I find this disheartening if you don't look closely you wouldn't know the U.S. is even represented, that's sad!

So even though the WPA has come a long way. I think for the United States pro players there's still a long way to go.

It's good to be able to converse when it's kept more civil unfortunately lots of times on the forums it doesn't seem to work that way thanks. I guess I've gone a little off the topic sorry if that bothers anybody I didn't mean to.

 

[macguy]

Kevin doesn't force anybody to buy his books.In his Natural Cures books,
he's not writing all the ''so called cures'' but has Doctors and other
people chime in and give there opinion about the cures.
I know he was way off base to say he had the cure for Cancer but
is he right about the Drug Companys?He's a smart dude who produces
books that are not all bullsh-t.Anybody that says his books are 100%
false have obviously never read one.
As far as him getting involved in Pool,everybody knew who this guy
was before hand but was still willing to take his money anyways.
Anybody that was involved in the IPT thought this guy was the King
and thought this guy could be the saver for pool.For them to flip on
the guy just shows how hypocritical people really are.
On my final note,if anybody says that none of his cures in the book work
is a ball faced liar.
I have way more issues with my government f--king me ,then Kevin
Truedeau!

No, you can write anything you want in a book, most self help or quick weight loos books are BS. What KT does is very convincing advertising punctuated with false claims and guarantees of money back if you are not satisfied. Problem is, no one ever gets their money back and to top that off if they paid with a credit card charges begin appearing on their cards they did not authorize. The man is just a fraud to his very core.

This also happened with almost anyone that got involved with paying for items involving the IPT. Unfortunately, you can not change someones spots, they are who they are. KT took his almost compulsive fraudulent way of doing things and contaminated the IPT. He can't help it, it is what he is and who he is. In the IPT some players made a few bucks but others like vendors, venue operators, people who put on his qualifiers, players in the qualifiers, backers and so on got stiffed in many circumstances.

While on one end money was going to some players, throughout the IPT fraud was the rule of the day. There was not a statement that ever came out of the organization that could be trusted. From the start with KT first rally he spun incredible lies and ultimately doomed the IPT, it was just a matter of time. It was too bad because with that kind of seed money if done right, something long lasting could have been created. He filled people minds with his own grandiose ideas that were never to be. It was sad for many who actually believed him.

 

[scsuxci]

No, you can write anything you want in a book, most self help or quick weight loos books are BS. What KT does is very convincing advertising punctuated with false claims and guarantees of money back if you are not satisfied. Problem is, no one ever gets their money back and to top that off if they paid with a credit card charges begin appearing on their cards they did not authorize. The man is just a fraud to his very core.

This also happened with almost anyone that got involved with paying for items involving the IPT. Unfortunately, you can not change someones spots, they are who they are. KT took his almost compulsive fraudulent way of doing things and contaminated the IPT. He can't help it, it is what he is and who he is. In the IPT some players made a few bucks but others like vendors, venue operators, people who put on his qualifiers, players in the qualifiers, backers and so on got stiffed in many circumstances.

While on one end money was going to some players, throughout the IPT fraud was the rule of the day. There was not a statement that ever came out of the organization that could be trusted. From the start with KT first rally he spun incredible lies and ultimately doomed the IPT, it was just a matter of time. It was too bad because with that kind of seed money if done right, something long lasting could have been created. He filled people minds with his own grandiose ideas that were never to be. It was sad for many who actually believed him.

As true as some of the points you've mentioned,it doesn't exclude the fact that "pool people"
gave Kevin''a non-pool player''full reins,in hopes of him making history.
In fact to the guys who did get paid wouldn't complain but it took more
then Kevin to run the IPT, so again the focus is on the man with the
money.As far as his books,consumers have the right to make a rash
decision to buy a product or not.He never forced anyone to buy his books
but many did!Some people thought the book was great and others did
not.The funny thing is,if the first book that sold millions of copies was
such a sham,his second,third and every book he's put out since have
also sold millions.Kinda weird,don't ya think?

 

[macguy]

As true as some of the points you've mentioned,it doesn't exclude the fact that "pool people"
gave Kevin''a non-pool player''full reins,in hopes of him making history.
In fact to the guys who did get paid wouldn't complain but it took more
then Kevin to run the IPT, so again the focus is on the man with the
money.As far as his books,consumers have the right to make a rash
decision to buy a product or not.He never forced anyone to buy his books
but many did!Some people thought the book was great and others did
not.The funny thing is,if the first book that sold millions of copies was
such a sham,his second,third and every book he's put out since have
also sold millions.Kinda weird,don't ya think?

His sales formula is pretty simple. There used to be an old joke. Want to make a million dollars, find something you can buy for $1.00 then sell it for $2.00 and find a million people to buy it. It is no longer a joke today with the mass marketing that can be done through the infomercial, websites, pay instantly with credit cards. You no longer have to have people take the time to actually sit down and write a check and mail it.

The percent of response you need to be a success is really small. Even with an obvious scam a certain number of people will buy because they want to believe. This is the basis of all televangelism. People want to believe that little device for $19.95 they put on their air cleaner will give them 50 MPG and the number of people you need to buy is really small when you reach millions of people.

All KT had to do was put together a legit pool tour with proper management. Instead he tried to build a phony product he could later sell on the backs of desperate pool players. The lies the told them and promises he made was really a shame for the ones who believed. I remember having this conversation with Grady.

He was in hook line and sinker. He thought they were going to have health insurance plans, retirement, plans, be doing television and movies, TV commercials. KT even was telling them how he was going to have advisers to help them manage their new wealth so they would not make the kinds of mistakes people like Mike Tyson and MC Hammer made. His pitch was so strong once it was heard in person their heads were spinning and they were hooked. I can't imagine the deep down disappointment some who really believed all the BS must have felt. Some must have been almost suicidal after having all that dangled in front of them and taken away.

I wonder if KT's speeches are still on line from those meetings. They are something to listen to, man, what a bunch of sh!&.
You know, the website is still up.
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/
Would go there and give this guy your credit card information? Maybe check into buying gold.

 

[michael4]

As true as some of the points you've mentioned,it doesn't exclude the fact that "pool people"
gave Kevin''a non-pool player''full reins,in hopes of him making history.
In fact to the guys who did get paid wouldn't complain but it took more
then Kevin to run the IPT, so again the focus is on the man with the
money.As far as his books,consumers have the right to make a rash
decision to buy a product or not.He never forced anyone to buy his books
but many did!Some people thought the book was great and others did
not.The funny thing is,if the first book that sold millions of copies was
such a sham,his second,third and every book he's put out since have
also sold millions.Kinda weird,don't ya think?

I think you are being way too kind to this guy, I just read more about him on Wiki. Man, he is the lowest scum of scum. He has never earned an honest dollar in his life! Of course I would never fall for his BS, and he preys on gullible people, but he is a regular Bernie Madoff, he should be someone's "girlfriend" in jail right now !

 

[scsuxci]

I think you are being way too kind to this guy, I just read more about him on Wiki. Man, he is the lowest scum of scum. He has never earned an honest dollar in his life! Of course I would never fall for his BS, and he preys on gullible people, but he is a regular Bernie Madoff, he should be someone's "girlfriend" in jail right now !

I'm not saying what a great guy he is,but is sure not the fall back guy on
the IPT.People thought of him being a phony before the IPT tour and
some of the very people that thought he was a scumbag and snake
was willing to take part in getting the snakes venom when offered.I look
at the IPT and the Books totally different.His success with the books
is well known.The lack of common sense by the governing body's of the
IPT is well known.When someone is known to be a scumbag,and still
given all the power,either says how smart Kevin really is or how dumb
everyone else really was.
I'm not saying he's a saint but when it comes to the IPT,I think he put
out more money than anyone else in pool history.

 

[Scott Lee]

Stu...Just a day or two ago, it was announced that an international event in the PI was being cancelled. No notice, no reasons given...just cancelled. This, with US and European players already there, or en route. Something must be done, ostensibly by the WPA, to deal with this kind of BS. I thought the WPA was going to require all monies to be escrowed. Is that not the case? I realize you're not the person to answer this, but perhaps Jerry Forsyth can provide some clarification on this issue.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The WPA announced within the past week a 26 event calendar for the upcoming year. My initial reaction is to applaud their efforts. After all, for them to have an event every two weeks on average means that for the player willing to compete internationally, there will be a very full slate of events and a whole lot of earnings opportunities.... and that's on top of what they can earn in tournaments in their own or nearby countries.

 

[sjm]

Stu...Just a day or two ago, it was announced that an international event in the PI was being cancelled. No notice, no reasons given...just cancelled. This, with US and European players already there, or en route. Something must be done, ostensibly by the WPA, to deal with this kind of BS. I thought the WPA was going to require all monies to be escrowed. Is that not the case? I realize you're not the person to answer this, but perhaps Jerry Forsyth can provide some clarification on this issue.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Agreed, Scott. The players deserve much better than this, and I hope they'll be very vocal in their displeasure.

 

[itsfroze]

Was the event that was just canceled a WPA event to start with?

I was under the impression that the mayor of some city over there was putting up all the money for this canceled event. To my understanding the money that was supposed to be added was/is far less than prize monies that need to added to qualify as a WPA or World title event.

That is why even though Charlie Williams uses the name "World Straight pool Championship" (the on e held in N.J. every year) it is not sanctioned by the WPA because the added money is insufficient to qualify for a sanction.
Hence the WPA also stated anyone winning this event will not have their name as champion, in any record book!

That is why the WPA came out with a press release last year that stated basically the facts I stated above.

I would be interested in more input on this matter.------- Thank You-------- And once again Happy Birthday Stu!