Kevin Trudeau (IPT) on Nightline tonight

that interview weas shown months ago. i remember it because they called him on the study in Calgary and he claimed he would fax the stack of papers over the next day.....never happened... this man is killing people who are foolish enough to believe what he states in his book. my own aunt in law tried the cure for her diabetes. after a week doing what his book said she wound up in the hospital trying to get it back under control. KT is a very dangerous man with this book. Ask him when you see him if you ever do how many law suits he settled because of that book.........mike
 
The medical industry is the leading cause of death and injury in the US according to this study, conducted by qualified professionals.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sep...s_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

What we need is a competition of ideas and practices in medicine and medical advice, but the government protected medical / pharmaceutical monopolies are stopping that with unconstitutional laws.

Much of what KT says has been promoted in naturopathic / natural healing circles for many years. He just markets it more effectively than most. How much of his advice is right or wrong is an issue for debate, but silencing those who are effective in raising awareness of the dangerous pharma/medical complex should be something to be very concerned about.

For improvements in medical treatment can only come about through an open marketplace of ideas I believe.

Increasing life spans, I believe, are largely a result of increased economic development, allowing hygenic living, affordable and clean food and water mainly. Of course treatment for many conditions, especially physical trauma has improved markedly, but this is offset by the huge number of iatrogenic deaths and injuries.

Colin

also see:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm
 
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It Takes Millions in R&D to Bring a Drug to Market

It isn't easy finding "cures" for diseases....It takes years of research and testing before a drug can come to market. The system is far from perfect and the FDA needs an overhaul.

The fact remains that several cancers are curable. Many more are now managable.

Over prescription of antibiotics is a huge problem as the bugs are evolving resistance to them.

Rittlin is way over prescribed and there is a whole industry waiting to tell you your son is ADHD and needs to be doped to be controlled.

What is the solution? Back to the days of patent medicines?

We are living longer and surguries are less invasive than ever.

Fact is Men if you live long enough, you will get prostate cancer. If you're 85 when you get it, what's the difference. If you're 40 though, and you opt for surgury, you could expect to wait 6 months to be well enough to find out you can't perform anymore. You say they have pills for that.....true, but wouldn't it be better if you could get a robot to do the surgury? Recovery in 24 hrs and a 90+% chance to have full function? Sci Fi??? Reality.....It's called DaVinci and it's been out there for several years. It and other advances in diagnostic medicine are the reason people are living longer.

McCue Banger McCue
 
Colin Colenso said:
The medical industry is the leading cause of death and injury in the US according to this study, conducted by qualified professionals.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sep...s_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

What we need is a competition of ideas and practices in medicine and medical advice, but the government protected medical / pharmaceutical monopolies are stopping that with unconstitutional laws.

Much of what KT says has been promoted in naturopathic / natural healing circles for many years. He just markets it more effectively than most. How much of his advice is right or wrong is an issue for debate, but silencing those who are effective in raising awareness of the dangerous pharma/medical complex should be something to be very concerned about.

For improvements in medical treatment can only come about through an open marketplace of ideas I believe.

Increasing life spans, I believe, are largely a result of increased economic development, allowing hygenic living, affordable and clean food and water mainly. Of course treatment for many conditions, especially physical trauma has improved markedly, but this is offset by the huge number of iatrogenic deaths and injuries.

Colin

also see:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm
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Who cares, all that is neither here nor there, let him say what he wants. You can find a hundred books like his in any book store. The problem is people sign up for a news letter and get their credit cards billed in some cases over $2000. for what should have been less then a $100. The problem is, this man you so admire is little more then a common thief.

The saddest part is, you all are being bought so cheaply, you only defend the man because there may something in it for you. Pool may be the only sport whose players are so desperate and pathetic that they would even defend a guy like this. It's a sad commentary on our sport.
 
macguy said:
Who cares, all that is neither here nor there, let him say what he wants. You can find a hundred books like his in any book store. The problem is people sign up for a news letter and get their credit cards billed in some cases over $2000. for what should have been less then a $100. The problem is, this man you so admire is little more then a common thief.

The saddest part is, you all are being bought so cheaply, you only defend the man because there may something in it for you. Pool may be the only sport whose players are so desperate and pathetic that they would even defend a guy like this. It's a sad commentary on our sport.
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I made points and gave references. You ignored them prefering instead an ad hominem attack, and a very offensive one at that. Not just for me, but for all those supporting the IPT and the pool community who's integrity you seem to so deplore.

I have studied natural medicines for 2 decades, and would have made the same comments regardless of my affiliation with the IPT.

I've seen no evidence to support your assertion that Natural Cures is partaking in widespread credit card fraud.

It's not appropriate in my opinion for a forum such as this to partake in muck-racking. Criticism and suggestions are fine but serious allegations should at least provide or link to evidence.

And as for your recent promise being broken in your post. That shows the flaws within your own integrity. Or perhaps it was your last exasperated gasp to enlighten us ignorant fools.:confused:
 
Colin Colenso said:
I made points and gave references. You ignored them prefering instead an ad hominem attack, and a very offensive one at that. Not just for me, but for all those supporting the IPT and the pool community who's integrity you seem to so deplore.

I have studied natural medicines for 2 decades, and would have made the same comments regardless of my affiliation with the IPT.

I've seen no evidence to support your assertion that Natural Cures is partaking in widespread credit card fraud.

It's not appropriate in my opinion for a forum such as this to partake in muck-racking. Criticism and suggestions are fine but serious allegations should at least provide or link to evidence.

And as for your recent promise being broken in your post. That shows the flaws within your own integrity. Or perhaps it was your last exasperated gasp to enlighten us ignorant fools.:confused:
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Right on, Colin! Hear, hear, and a resounding TAP, TAP, TAP! I can definitely empathize with you as it pertains to the continual ad hominem attacks, MANY, if not all of them, unwarranted.

BTW, good luck to you this weekend at the Shanghai IPT Qualifier. I hope you knock 'em in the tub on the challenge table! ;)

JAM
 
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Colin Colenso said:
The medical industry is the leading cause of death and injury in the US according to this study, conducted by qualified professionals.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sep...s_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

What we need is a competition of ideas and practices in medicine and medical advice, but the government protected medical / pharmaceutical monopolies are stopping that with unconstitutional laws.

Much of what KT says has been promoted in naturopathic / natural healing circles for many years. He just markets it more effectively than most. How much of his advice is right or wrong is an issue for debate, but silencing those who are effective in raising awareness of the dangerous pharma/medical complex should be something to be very concerned about.

For improvements in medical treatment can only come about through an open marketplace of ideas I believe.

Increasing life spans, I believe, are largely a result of increased economic development, allowing hygenic living, affordable and clean food and water mainly. Of course treatment for many conditions, especially physical trauma has improved markedly, but this is offset by the huge number of iatrogenic deaths and injuries.

Colin

also see:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm
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the leading cause of death is heart disease, followed close by cancer. im not sure how that study comes up with the medical industry. are they counting everyone who dies in a hospital?

i do not think KT has been silenced at all. he has a bunch of websites. www.naturalcures.com, www.drnatura.com, www.kevinfightsback.com and prob more. plus his book was a top seller. it did much better then his earlier books mega memory, lose 30 pounds in 30 days, mega speed reading,5 min a day to perfect spelling. oh cant forget his coral calcium pills. (edited 6/17/06) i saw him in a tv infomercal selling make up last night.(thought he was banned?) he promised this was a face left in a bottle. it is the only thing that can get rid of black circles and so on. what a great man he is single handedly broke vast conspiracies, cured almost everything, taught us the secret to losing weight, increased our memory, cleaned our colons, taught us to speed read, made us perfect spellers, and now we can look amazing while doing it. what a great guy

i agree with your statements on life span, however i would also add in that list vaccines. (oh great i hope this doesnt spark a mercury/aids/whatever debate now)
all i can say is get a doctor's advice before trying anything in kevins book haha
anyways this kind of stuff doesnt belong on a pool forum so i am done posting about it. i am sure most do not want to read it either.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
I made points and gave references. You ignored them prefering instead an ad hominem attack, and a very offensive one at that. Not just for me, but for all those supporting the IPT and the pool community who's integrity you seem to so deplore.

I have studied natural medicines for 2 decades, and would have made the same comments regardless of my affiliation with the IPT.

I've seen no evidence to support your assertion that Natural Cures is partaking in widespread credit card fraud.

It's not appropriate in my opinion for a forum such as this to partake in muck-racking. Criticism and suggestions are fine but serious allegations should at least provide or link to evidence.

And as for your recent promise being broken in your post. That shows the flaws within your own integrity. Or perhaps it was your last exasperated gasp to enlighten us ignorant fools.:confused:
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Do some research for crying out loud or is your head so far up Kevin's ass you can't see your computer screen. Pathetic was the most polite word I could use for his apologists. You know what is really funny, just like there are the same posters such as myself who point out the obvious about this guy, it is also the same people who are the excuse makers for him such as you.

I would say most of the players on the IPT at least keep their mouths shut and just take it for what it's worth, they are not so stupid as to embarrass themselves defending him and making him their idol. They don't present themselves as mindless followers drinking the cool-aid. Like I said, you would not be saying any of this if you didn't think there was something in it for you, that's really the sad part, you have been bought cheap by a pimp. Play in the tournaments take his money but stop acting like his whore.
 
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mindtriplx said:
the leading cause of death is heart disease, followed close by cancer. im not sure how that study comes up with the medical industry. are they counting everyone who dies in a hospital?

i do not think KT has been silenced at all. he has a bunch of websites. www.naturalcures.com, www.drnatura.com, www.kevinfightsback.com and prob more. plus his book was a top seller. it did much better then his earlier books mega memory, lose 30 pounds in 30 days, mega speed reading,5 min a day to perfect spelling. oh cant forget his coral calcium pills.

i agree with your statements on life span, however i would also add in that list vaccines. (oh great i hope this doesnt spark a mercury/aids/whatever debate now)
all i can say is get a doctor's advice before trying anything in kevins book haha
anyways this kind of stuff doesnt belong on a pool forum so i am done posting about it. i am sure most do not want to read it either.
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The answer to your first question in near the top of the article I linked to.

Iatrogenic is explained in the links...it does not include someone who just happens to die in a hospital.

KT has been silenced from certain types of advertising on TV. The banning was a landmark decision, having serious implications for freedom of speech, as I understand.
 
macguy said:
Do some research for crying out loud or is your head so far up Kevin's ass you can't see your computer screen. Pathetic was the most polite word I could use for his apologists. You know what is really funny, just like there are the same posters such as myself who point out the obvious about this guy, it is also the same people who are the excuse makers for him such as you.

I would say most of the players on the IPT at least keep their mouths shut and just take it for what it's worth, they are not so stupid as to embarrass themselves defending him and making him their idol. They don't present themselves as mindless followers drinking the cool-aid. Like I said, you would not be saying any of this if you didn't think there was something in it for you, that's really the sad part, you have been bought cheap by a pimp. Play in the tournaments take his money but stop acting like his whore.
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Another example of a personal attack on an AzBilliards member.

Mr. Wilson, do you have any advice?

JAM
 
JAM said:
Another example of a personal attack on an AzBilliards member.

Mr. Wilson, do you have any advice?

JAM
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It doesn't matter if Mr. Wilson bans me, that doesn't change the truth in what I said. You all act like a bunch of whores and Kevin is your pimp. I know the truth hurts, you'll just have to live with it.
You think I am the only one who thinks that, I'm just the only one actually saying it. You should be ashamed.

Another thing, You guys give me a positive rep the other day because you liked that I said something critical of Grady. I guess you function by the theory, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" I guess I'm not your friend any more till I say something negative about Grady again. You guys are so shallow.
 
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macguy said:
It doesn't matter if Mr. Wilson bans me, that doesn't change the truth in what I said. You all act like a bunch of whores and Kevin is your pimp. I know the truth hurts, you'll just have to live with it.
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It won't change anything regarding the IPT or KT or any related truths or untruths, but if you are banned, I will miss your valuable posts in the CueMaker forum.
Kelly
 
macguy said:
Do some research for crying out loud or is your head so far up Kevin's ass you can't see your computer screen. Pathetic was the most polite word I could use for his apologists. You know what is really funny, just like there are the same posters such as myself who point out the obvious about this guy, it is also the same people who are the excuse makers for him such as you.

I would say most of the players on the IPT at least keep their mouths shut and just take it for what it's worth, they are not so stupid as to embarrass themselves defending him and making him their idol. They don't present themselves as mindless followers drinking the cool-aid. Like I said, you would not be saying any of this if you didn't think there was something in it for you, that's really the sad part, you have been bought cheap by a pimp. Play in the tournaments take his money but stop acting like his whore.
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I don't blame the other IPT players for avoiding lowering themselves into the muck with you Macguy. I avoid it as much as possible.

But I was a regular here long before the IPT came into being, so tend to feel an obligation to not let all posts go unanswered.

And I sometimes respond to your posts because I find them to be extreme and / or uninformed, not because I idolize KT. What faults I find I see no point in going on about. That does not make me a member of a cool-aid team. I think there's wisdom in the phrase, "if you haven't got something good to say about someone, don't say anything".

I have done research but interpret things differently, and I've tried to respond to you in a reasonable and courteous tone as much as possible.

I think you ought to take a break and return when you can be more civil.
 
macguy said:
The problem is people sign up for a news letter and get their credit cards billed in some cases over $2000. for what should have been less then a $100. The problem is, this man you so admire is little more then a common thief.
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Anytime I have ever been charged for something I didn't order or overcharged for something I have just called the credit card company and had the charge reversed. I doubt that anyone paid $2000 for something that cost less than $100 unless they are idiots. (Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?)

I have noticed that you seem to know more about Kevin Trudeau than anyone else in the world including Kevin Trudeau.

It has been concluded that if you spent as much time practicing pool as you do finding fault with Kevin Trudeau, and reading and responding to every post that has ever been made about him, and researching every negative thing that has ever been said about him, you would be among the great poolplayers of the world.
 
Some people never learn.

Macguy, you are being asked to keep your negativity to yourself.

Pimps, whores and all. I am beyond tired of your lack of respect for us.

This is your first official warning.
 
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Anytime I have ever been charged for something I didn't order or overcharged for something I have just called the credit card company and had the charge reversed. I doubt that anyone paid $2000 for something that cost less than $100 unless they are idiots. (Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?)

I have noticed that you seem to know more about Kevin Trudeau than anyone else in the world including Kevin Trudeau.

It has been concluded that if you spent as much time practicing pool as you do finding fault with Kevin Trudeau, and reading and responding to every post that has ever been made about him, and researching every negative thing that has ever been said about him, you would be among the great poolplayers of the world.
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It doesn't work like that. Once you authorize him to bill your card on say a monthly basis it never stops regardless of how much you try to get them to stop. They just keep making excuses and blaming it on clerical errors mean time they keep taking your money because you have authorized them to.

Closing your account seems to be what it takes to end it and getting a refund almost impossible. Also I assume closing their account is not an option for many people since they probably have outstanding balances they can't just pay off. They are stuck being run around by the system as Kevin continues to bilk them. It's probably a quite elaborate scheme.

It can be amazing I had the same thing happen with an insurance company. They did automatic billing from my checking account and I couldn't get it to stop even after I canceled the policy. I couldn't even get the bank to help me because it had been authorized, I had to close the account. They take advantage of the slowness of the way most systems work as well as putting you off with promises to not bill you anymore. Of course the next month there is the charge again and that's it, they will never give you a refund just more excuses. Don't worry Kevin is a master, you have to give him credit at least for that. He is messing with federal laws though and even the smartest end up being taken down and he is in the cross hairs. They want to get him and I have little doubt it is just a matter of time.

If you read where he advertises to sell peoples names to other marketers, one of the interesting things he empresses in his ad is the age of the people on the list as well as what credit cards they use. That way they can target the elderly as well as the ones that are just plain dumb from their past history. To answer your question, yes they are idiots, Kevin counts on that, that's how it works. You or I would never get taken, but your 85 year old mother will. These are evil people make no mistake about it.
I am sorry, this guy is so brutal you don't have to make it up.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
I've seen no evidence to support your assertion that Natural Cures is partaking in widespread credit card fraud.

It's not appropriate in my opinion for a forum such as this to partake in muck-racking. Criticism and suggestions are fine but serious allegations should at least provide or link to evidence.
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Colin, perhaps you'd care to take a look at this then. Many complaints regarding missing books and credit card disputes along with fraud allegations are listed on the following website link for the Natural Cures company, too many to just simply dismiss it. There are some defenses for the company, but many more complaints are present than defenses nonetheless.

If your curiousity decides to take hold & you would care to look at others, google it under "Natural Cures Fraud" like I did. Also, Amazon.com has some interesting reading as well in their review section for the book.

http://www.infomercialscams.com/natural_cures.htm
 
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vader93490 said:
Colin, perhaps you'd care to take a look at this then. Many complaints regarding missing books and credit card disputes along with fraud allegations are listed on the following website link for the Natural Cures company, too many to just simply dismiss it. There are some defenses for the company, but many more complaints are present than defenses nonetheless.

If your curiousity decides to take hold & you would care to look at others, google it under "Natural Cures Fraud" like I did. Also, Amazon.com has some interesting reading as well in their review section for the book.

http://www.infomercialscams.com/natural_cures.htm
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Vader,
Yes I have seen the customer complaints list before, and you are right in saying it shouldn't be dismissed.

But also I try to keep it in proportion with positive reviews: Some here for example: http://www.infomercialscams.com/natural_cures_defenses.htm There may not be as many, but satisfied customers are not likely googling "Natural Cures Complaints" or similar search terms to reach this site.

Seems the hard upsell and complex fine print is part of the nature of the informercial business (that does not excuse dishonest practices), but I'd imagine po'ing every customer would not be good business. Remember also that there have been hundreds of thousands, if not millions of sales. As to what level of customer complaints is usual for companies I don't know, but with the internet it is getting harder and harder for businesses to sweep unsatisfied customers under the carpet.

Much of marketing is in creating deceptive illusions. Buyers ought to be well informed. On the Natural Cures issue, there are satisfied and dissatisfied customers it seems. The exact proportions are unclear, and any criminal suspicions regarding credit card fraud are only allegations at this stage as far as I know. I imagine a most mail order businesses have received hundreds, if not thousands of complaints regarding credit card charges. Seems to happen a lot, due to mistakes, lazy office management or deliberate policy to make refunds hard.

So heads shouldn't be in the sand, nor should fingers be constantly pointing. Let opinions differ on the severity of or possible reasons for the allegations.

We needn't be selling our souls to be grateful that KT has brought his business acumen and leverage into the pool world. It would seem to most a great thing for the future of the sport, and would benefit with support. Why keep staring a gift horse in the mouth? No one and nothing on this world is perfect.
 
macguy said:
It doesn't work like that. Once you authorize him to bill your card on say a monthly basis it never stops regardless of how much you try to get them to stop. They just keep making excuses and blaming it on clerical errors mean time they keep taking your money because you have authorized them to.

Closing your account seems to be what it takes to end it and getting a refund almost impossible. Also I assume closing their account is not an option for many people since they probably have outstanding balances they can't just pay off. They are stuck being run around by the system as Kevin continues to bilk them. It's probably a quite elaborate scheme.

It can be amazing I had the same thing happen with an insurance company. They did automatic billing from my checking account and I couldn't get it to stop even after I canceled the policy. I couldn't even get the bank to help me because it had been authorized, I had to close the account. They take advantage of the slowness of the way most systems work as well as putting you off with promises to not bill you anymore. Of course the next month there is the charge again and that's it, they will never give you a refund just more excuses. Don't worry Kevin is a master, you have to give him credit at least for that. He is messing with federal laws though and even the smartest end up being taken down and he is in the cross hairs. They want to get him and I have little doubt it is just a matter of time.

If you read where he advertises to sell peoples names to other marketers, one of the interesting things he empresses in his ad is the age of the people on the list as well as what credit cards they use. That way they can target the elderly as well as the ones that are just plain dumb from their past history. To answer your question, yes they are idiots, Kevin counts on that, that's how it works. You or I would never get taken, but your 85 year old mother will. These are evil people make no mistake about it.
I am sorry, this guy is so brutal you don't have to make it up.
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I have had an active membership at the Natural Cures website for 5 months and canceled it ijn May. This was the reply I received:

Dear NaturalCures.com Valued Customer,
Thank you for your inquiry.

We have generated a support ticket to help us track your inquiry. Your ticket code is LTK31029491360X. Please use this code in any further communication.


Your membership has been cancelled. You will not receive any future charges for this membership beyond the date of this email. However, because NaturalCures.Com will be undergoing constant updates and improvements over the next few months, we are extending your membership for 12 months, for FREE. You will still be able to use the same login and password for 12 months, at absolutely no charge or obligation.

A refund in the amout of $9.95 has been issued for your website charge. Please allow up to 30 days for the credit to post to your account.


In case this email does not fully answer your question, or you would like to contact us for any reason, simply reply to this email.

Thank you

Have a Healthy Day!

I believe this was more than expected customer service.
 
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