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Petros Andrikop

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Ok, I'm refreshing my knowledge in kick shots and I'm kind of stuck in:

- one rail kicks from short to long cushion above middle pocket and
- short to opposite short cushion one rail kicks

I'm talking about no english systems, I would appreciate any help.
Sorry I'm not good with drawings.
Thanks in advance for your time!
Petros
 
Kickin!

Petros Andrikop said:
Ok, I'm refreshing my knowledge in kick shots and I'm kind of stuck in:

- one rail kicks from short to long cushion above middle pocket and
- short to opposite short cushion one rail kicks

I'm talking about no english systems, I would appreciate any help.
Sorry I'm not good with drawings.
Thanks in advance for your time!
Petros
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Very important part of many games. Systems are great. Look em up. Gets you in the ballpark. Play golf on a snooker table even if you don't like it. Just a few months and your kicking game WILL escalate. See it, feel it. Speed will also come. Almost all multiple rail kicks will need small amount of running English. It helps the shot get back to a natural type shot and helps reduce cushion induced throw. You might also get to know a fellow on here call Kickin Chicken! With a name like that, he's got to know some kickin. Many systems are not just drawings but counting diamonds. Simple sometimes.Six minus three, shoot the third diamond down yonder! Your mind will learn these angles you keep practicing.
 
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If you're talking about single rail kicks, the first step is to visualize the isosceles triangle with you standing at base of the triangle (the rail you're shooting from) and the two "equal" sides running through the cue ball and the object ball. To visualize the whole triangle, you'll often have to picture a second adjacent pool table to get enough rail to complete the triangle. Where the apex of the triangle hits the rail opposite you is where you aim. Medium to slightly slower hit rolls truest; if you hit it firm the angle shortens and you'll hit too thin or miss. You can add speed or left/right English to dial in table conditions or narrow the angle if the path to the point on the rail you're aiming at is obstructed. You will find that a little bit of running English is almost always needed to get the angle to run true, though...most shots shot with center ball will roll shorter than you want.
 
West Point 1987 said:
If you're talking about single rail kicks, the first step is to visualize the isosceles triangle with you standing at base of the triangle (the rail you're shooting from) and the two "equal" sides running through the cue ball and the object ball. To visualize the whole triangle, you'll often have to picture a second adjacent pool table to get enough rail to complete the triangle. Where the apex of the triangle hits the rail opposite you is where you aim. Medium to slightly slower hit rolls truest; if you hit it firm the angle shortens and you'll hit too thin or miss. You can add speed or left/right English to dial in table conditions or narrow the angle if the path to the point on the rail you're aiming at is obstructed. You will find that a little bit of running English is almost always needed to get the angle to run true, though...most shots shot with center ball will roll shorter than you want.
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I'm looking for a system that does not require visualizing a second table or spots outside the table.
I need a system that uses the table diamonds.
I know about systems that get you from short cushion to middle or corner pockets via one rail, I need to find something similar for getting to the other diamonds as well, as a matter of fact I also need something about getting from short cushion to diamonds below middle pocket, always talking about one rail kicks.
Thanks for your responce!
 
Petros Andrikop said:
Yes, can't seem to find what I'm looking for, thanks anyway!
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Several easy ways to do it-

1. take a guestimate on where to hit. Hold your cue at that line to the ball (either cb or ob) that is farthest from the rail. Now, take a line parallel from the ball nearest that rail (rail you are kicking into) and to your cue. Find the halfway point on that line. That is where you aim at.

2. Take the ball you are kicking at. Using your cue, measure the distance to the rail you will be kicking into. Using your finger, mark that spot on your cue. Now, bring your cue back farther to double that distance. Then, from that point look back at the cb. Where that line crosses the rail is where you want to hit.
 
Petros, might you go to Zero X Billiards and purchase the Zero X Kicking System for 10 dollars.

Many of us on AZ have bought the Kicking and Banking DVD from there.

Nothing overly tricky, all you have to do is be able to count from 10 to 80 using the Diamonds and do a little dividing by 1/2. Thats it in a nutshell
You won't have to be imagining upside down tables, spots on the wall or yard sticks that extend far beyond the short rail.

You could go to the site and watch the Kicking DVD previews and then you will know if thats the system for you.

I can say that you probably won't be disappointed. Like anything else, it does require a considerable amount of practice to actually be able to Kick balls in the pocket but without much more than a few practice shots, you won't be giving away any BIHs when you are snookered.

You can watch the online stream and if you use Fire Fox with Down Load Helper, you will be able to save the video to disc. I saved both videos to my phone so they are with me when I go to the Hall.

A decent deal for a ten spot. At my Hall, that won't buy you 2 beer.
 
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Petros Andrikop said:
Ok, I'm refreshing my knowledge in kick shots and I'm kind of stuck in:

- one rail kicks from short to long cushion above middle pocket and
- short to opposite short cushion one rail kicks

I'm talking about no english systems, I would appreciate any help.
Sorry I'm not good with drawings.
Thanks in advance for your time!
Petros
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Here is a site that will cure kick shot issues. For $8.99 you can't beat it. In fact you may want to get the whole series. Get all three videos

There is a small amount of spin involved.

http://www.zerox-billiards.com/pool-banking-systems.html

You won't be disappointed. :smile:

Have fun

John
 
Neil said:
Several easy ways to do it-

1. take a guestimate on where to hit. Hold your cue at that line to the ball (either cb or ob) that is farthest from the rail. Now, take a line parallel from the ball nearest that rail (rail you are kicking into) and to your cue. Find the halfway point on that line. That is where you aim at.

2. Take the ball you are kicking at. Using your cue, measure the distance to the rail you will be kicking into. Using your finger, mark that spot on your cue. Now, bring your cue back farther to double that distance. Then, from that point look back at the cb. Where that line crosses the rail is where you want to hit.
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Thanks again, I did try the "split parallel" method, doesn't seem to apply here.
The second method you are suggesting takes into cosideration measurements outside the table which I'm trying to avoid, the cue's length won't be enough for estimating "long" distances also.
 
Petros Andrikop said:
Ok, I'm refreshing my knowledge in kick shots and I'm kind of stuck in:

- one rail kicks from short to long cushion above middle pocket and
- short to opposite short cushion one rail kicks
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The systems demonstrated in these videos work for a wide variety of kicks, including the ones you describe:

NV D.13 - Kick Shot Aiming Systems - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series
NV B.81 - Bank and kick shot terminology and basics, from VEPS IV
NV B.82 - Rolling-cue-ball through-diamond kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV

and here are some special-purpose systems:

NV B.83 - Shallow-angle contact-point-mirror-image kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV
NV C.13 - Shallow-angle one-rail kick drills, from VEPP IV
NV B.84 - Plus System for aiming two-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV
NV B.85 - Corner-Five System for aiming three-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV

FYI, a lot more info related to commonly-used kicking and banking systems can be found on the kick and bank shot aiming system resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Petros, might you go to Zero X Billiards and purchase the Zero X Kicking System for 10 dollars.

Many of us on AZ have bought the Kicking and Banking DVD from there.

Nothing overly tricky, all you have to do is be able to count from 10 to 80 using the Diamonds and do a little dividing by 1/2. Thats it in a nutshell
You won't have to be imagining upside down tables, spots on the wall or yard sticks that extend far beyond the short rail.

You could go to the site and watch the Kicking DVD previews and then you will know if thats the system for you.

I can say that you probably won't be disappointed. Like anything else, it does require a considerable amount of practice to actually be able to Kick balls in the pocket but without much more than a few practice shots, you won't be giving away any BIHs when you are snookered.

You can watch the online stream and if you use Fire Fox with Down Load Helper, you will be able to save the video to disc. I saved both videos to my phone so they are with me when I go to the Hall.

A decent deal for a ten spot. At my Hall, that won't buy you 2 beer.
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I would have done this already but unfortunately I can't use pay pal (not may fault, long story..).
Not sure if it contains this specific two cases I'm interested in, I would love to have a look to it some time.
Thanks!
 
Petros Andrikop said:
Ok, I'm refreshing my knowledge in kick shots and I'm kind of stuck in:

- one rail kicks from short to long cushion above middle pocket and
- short to opposite short cushion one rail kicks

I'm talking about no english systems, I would appreciate any help.
Sorry I'm not good with drawings.
Thanks in advance for your time!
Petros
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One rail kicks are based on same angle in same angle out and all adjustments are in half. Example place cue ball in corner pocket conting the side pocket as a diamond it would be 4 diamonds away.Shoot the cue at the second diamond it will go cross side . If the ball you are trying to hit is 4 inches past the side hit 2 inches past your previous spot (second diamond) it will due the same hope this helps !
 
dr_dave said:
The systems demonstrated in these videos work for a wide variety of kicks, including the ones you describe:

NV D.13 - Kick Shot Aiming Systems - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series
NV B.81 - Bank and kick shot terminology and basics, from VEPS IV
NV B.82 - Rolling-cue-ball through-diamond kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV

and here are some special-purpose systems:

NV B.83 - Shallow-angle contact-point-mirror-image kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV
NV C.13 - Shallow-angle one-rail kick drills, from VEPP IV
NV B.84 - Plus System for aiming two-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV
NV B.85 - Corner-Five System for aiming three-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV

FYI, a lot more info related to commonly-used kicking and banking systems can be found on the kick and bank shot aiming system resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave
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Thank you very much, I have seen these treasures!
In the second video at 4:30 a bank shot is described from short cushion to middle pocket, I need to find a way to estimate how to get to diamonds above and below middle pocket when kicking from short cushion area (like 4.8 in that example), haven't seen this anywhere.
In the third video at 3:00 a short cushion origin kick takes it to the corner, I'm looking for a way to estimate how to reach the diamonds at the opposite short cushion, haven't seen this anywhere as well.
I'm always talking about no side english kicks, just true rolling CB.
Thanks again!
 
gerard soriano said:
One rail kicks are based on same angle in same angle out and all adjustments are in half. Example place cue ball in corner pocket conting the side pocket as a diamond it would be 4 diamonds away.Shoot the cue at the second diamond it will go cross side . If the ball you are trying to hit is 4 inches past the side hit 2 inches past your previous spot (second diamond) it will due the same hope this helps !
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It's around the "split parallel" method which I already tried, doesn't seem to work here as I mentioned.
Thanks!
 
Petros Andrikop said:
dr_dave said:
The systems demonstrated in these videos work for a wide variety of kicks, including the ones you describe:

NV D.13 - Kick Shot Aiming Systems - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series
NV B.81 - Bank and kick shot terminology and basics, from VEPS IV
NV B.82 - Rolling-cue-ball through-diamond kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV

and here are some special-purpose systems:

NV B.83 - Shallow-angle contact-point-mirror-image kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV
NV C.13 - Shallow-angle one-rail kick drills, from VEPP IV
NV B.84 - Plus System for aiming two-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV
NV B.85 - Corner-Five System for aiming three-rail kick shots, from VEPS IV

FYI, a lot more info related to commonly-used kicking and banking systems can be found on the kick and bank shot aiming system resource page.
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Thank you very much, I have seen these treasures!
In the second video at 4:30 a bank shot is described from short cushion to middle pocket, I need to find a way to estimate how to get to diamonds above and below middle pocket when kicking from short cushion area (like 4.8 in that example), haven't seen this anywhere.
In the third video at 3:00 a short cushion origin kick takes it to the corner, I'm looking for a way to estimate how to reach the diamonds at the opposite short cushion, haven't seen this anywhere as well.
I'm always talking about no side english kicks, just true rolling CB.
Thanks again!
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The visual system in the first video (NV D.13 - Kick Shot Aiming Systems - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series), where you split the CB or OB projected distance, works for most one-rail kicks. Have you tried it for the shots you are talking about?

When the angle of the kick gets larger, you need to add an aiming correction as covered in the 3rd video: NV B.82 - Rolling-cue-ball through-diamond kick-shot aiming system, from VEPS IV.

Good luck,
Dave

PS: Thank you for the kind words about my stuff.
 
Theres a reason they're coming shorter than you want...

West Point 1987 said:
If you're talking about single rail kicks, the first step is to visualize the isosceles triangle with you standing at base of the triangle (the rail you're shooting from) and the two "equal" sides running through the cue ball and the object ball. To visualize the whole triangle, you'll often have to picture a second adjacent pool table to get enough rail to complete the triangle. Where the apex of the triangle hits the rail opposite you is where you aim. Medium to slightly slower hit rolls truest; if you hit it firm the angle shortens and you'll hit too thin or miss. You can add speed or left/right English to dial in table conditions or narrow the angle if the path to the point on the rail you're aiming at is obstructed. You will find that a little bit of running English is almost always needed to get the angle to run true, though...most shots shot with center ball will roll shorter than you want.
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You're talking about angle in/angle out...but in order to effectively use angle in/angle out, you have to not make the mistake that most people make. You can't aim through center ball. This is true for ANY bank...

You have to aim through the contact point and then parallel shift over to center ball from that line.

The CP will ALWAYS be the part of the CB that is parallel to the rail.

The amount that you would have to adjust otherwise without aiming through the contact point changes with the severity of the angle and any other method becomes cumbersome...

Jaden
 
Again...

Petros Andrikop said:
It's around the "split parallel" method which I already tried, doesn't seem to work here as I mentioned.
Thanks!
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That's cause for angle in angle out to work you have to aim through the cp on the ball making contact with the rail and then shift over to center ball from that line...

Jaden
 
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